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Scotland Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 21 March 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Wallace of Tankerness.
Scotland Bill. Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 43 and 44 agreed to. Clause 10 disagreed. Schedules 1 to 5 agreed to. Bill reported with amendments (HL 136).
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2010-12
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c943 (Link to this contribution) Yes, it does. The effect is that the amount of tax that people pay in Scotland will go down. Therefo...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c943 (Link to this contribution) This is where there is a misunderstanding. This is about making a shared tax base work in a way that...

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Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 736 c943 (Link to this contribution) Let us look at this the other way around and think about the ease and the political acceptability in...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c943-4 (Link to this contribution) It is very unlikely to happen, but let us say that the personal allowance had gone down rather than ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c942 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may take the opportunity of sending good wishes to the noble Lord, Lord Sassoon, for a spe...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c942 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I did not imply that he was ill. I am not aware that he is.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c942-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that, after all the good will that has been expressed, he will relish coming back to the f...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c944-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot accept that last comment, but I can now see where my noble friend is coming from....
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c944 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to persist in this; perhaps I am just being thick. To take the example given by the Minis...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c949 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak briefly to this amendment, which relates to the Scottish Parliament passing a...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c948 (Link to this contribution) There is a point that my noble friend is not addressing: no amendment has ever been brought forward ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c948-9 (Link to this contribution) It is not my idea. It is the noble and learned Lord's idea to introduce a Scottish income tax. We ha...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c947 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I made it clear in my response but I shall repeat the point. This is reciprocal because ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c947-8 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and I understand that, but I am talking about the politics of it in the context of there per...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c946 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly agree with the final point that accountability is as much about what you raise...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c946-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have to say that I think this is a complete dog's breakfast and I agree entirely with th...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 736 c945-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand the Minister's logic, which seems to depend on the control total being the block grant....
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c950 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the Scottish Parliament has sent its response to its Scotland Bill Committee. In...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c978 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not anticipate a police station—
Earl of Caithness | 736 c976-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, and my noble ...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 736 c978 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Earl anticipate there being a polling station on Rockall and the like? We are dealing...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 736 c973 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the Minister a question? He may not want to answer it, but clarification would be helpful....
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c973 (Link to this contribution) That is an important question. If other noble Lords want to make their contributions, I will reply t...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c975 (Link to this contribution) I can let the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, see my script and he will see that it is in my own handwriti...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 736 c973-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have sat through the three and a half hours of this debate. Fortunately, Hansard records...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c974-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to my Amendment 88, which is part of this group. It may help save your Lordships a lit...
Lord Lang of Monkton | 736 c980-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly in the debate simply because Amendment 88, tabled by my noble friend L...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 736 c981-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the conclusion of this long debate, I thank my noble and learned friend for what he has...
Lord Empey | 736 c982-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Williamson of Horton, said that up until his contribution, with the e...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c979 (Link to this contribution) In fact, I do not anticipate people living there. But what is important are the oil exploration righ...
Earl of Mar and Kellie | 736 c979 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to ask my noble and learned friend a question to which I do not know the answer, so...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c980 (Link to this contribution) I did not say that there had to be a referendum but, if there was a discussion about a change in Sco...
Earl of Mar and Kellie | 736 c980 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful for that advice. Does the noble Lord, Lord Reid, believe that Jersey, G...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c980 (Link to this contribution) I would be able to understand that if I knew what devo-max is. I am presupposing that if there is a ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c980 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the difference is that Guernsey, Jersey and the Isle of Man do not send Members of Parliam...
Earl of Mar and Kellie | 736 c980 (Link to this contribution) I suppose I should continue to look for advice: did they? I also note that Jersey, Guernsey and the ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c988 (Link to this contribution) I never really felt much constrained by collective responsibility, as the noble Lord will recall. My...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c988 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, asks me why. The simple answer is: because he is a government Minister...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c987 (Link to this contribution) I can understand why my noble friend says that using this Bill to discuss or legislate for a referen...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for his intervention, although I have no idea what the answer is to the ques...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c984-5 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to start discussing another referendum when we have spent so long on this one. To try to ...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c985-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that noble Lords will forgive me if, in the interests of attempting to be brief—I h...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c984 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the noble Lord. I, too, have reservations about the fact that, if there was a dis...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 736 c984 (Link to this contribution) An obvious difficulty arises once you get into consulting constituents of other countries—England, W...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 736 c984 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord, Lord Empey, contemplating circumstances where there would be referenda in other c...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 736 c994-5 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble and learned friend for giving way. However, it would not be attractiv...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c990 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear from the noble Earl that that is the case. The legal position is that the island o...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c991-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this very useful and informative debate. Th...
Lord Deben | 736 c994 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble and learned friend for giving way but does he accept that this is also very importa...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c988-9 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that, from the point of view of the record and those who read it, it is probably better th...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c989-90 (Link to this contribution) Clearly it could be done by the Summer Recess, and that would be my preference. It would be contradi...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c990 (Link to this contribution) That was not my argument. I was responding to an intervention by the noble Lord, Lord O'Neill. I did...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c951-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the fact that a legislative consent Motion has been agreed. I also welcome its t...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c950-1 (Link to this contribution) You have to admire the way that the Scottish Parliament is run. Its committee made 25 major recommen...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c956-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Forsyth for his amendment. He obviously had great pr...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c954-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the general tenor of this debate in so much as it encourages the noble and learn...
Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 736 c953-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at some stage I think we were concerned that this might be a complete waste of time if we ...
Duke of Montrose | 736 c952-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to probe a little further the question that my noble friend Lord Forsyth has ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c959 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for giving me an opportunity to make things clear. I rather suspect...
Duke of Montrose | 736 c959 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble and learned friend for giving way. I am very interested in where he h...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 736 c958-9 (Link to this contribution) It is generally the case for all orders that they cannot be amended. However, in earlier exchanges, ...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c958 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on that point, will the Minister confirm that my noble friend the Duke of Montrose was rig...
Duke of Montrose | 736 c959 (Link to this contribution) My noble and learned friend is describing what has been the habit of the use of Section 30 orders, b...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 736 c960-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, raised one other question in his reading of the ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c960 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that that is the way to transfer backwards. That may be possible; I will have to chec...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c961-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had an interesting debate. To rescue the Minister, I think that paragraph 3 is hea...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c961 (Link to this contribution) They may be very unfair on themselves but officials say, ““Blame officials for poor punctuation””. I...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c962-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now come—at last, some noble Lords may be saying—to what I understand is the first of t...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c962 (Link to this contribution) 87: Clause 43, page 33, line 2, at end insert— ““( ) Notwithstanding the other provisions of this se...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c964 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is anticipating something I am going to say. For once, exceptionally for me, I have w...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c963 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord saying what I think he is saying? Is he saying that if we proceeded by using Secti...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c964 (Link to this contribution) As regards what might and might not be the ultimate outcome of such discussions, let us be absolutel...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c966 (Link to this contribution) I was careful to say earlier that anything other than leaving or staying in the union must be agreed...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c966 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I fully agree with my noble friend on that. The referendums in 1979 and 1997 were...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c965 (Link to this contribution) I entirely support the thrust of what my noble friend is saying, but it is important to recognise th...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c970 (Link to this contribution) I will make this clear. If agreement could not be reached on a Section 30 order, and if we ensured t...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c969 (Link to this contribution) My noble and learned friend was absolutely clear on the point about using the Bill for the referendu...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c969 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend was right to say that we do not intend to use the Bill as a vehicle for in...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c969 (Link to this contribution) When my noble and learned friend says that the Government will not be tabling any amendments to the ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c967-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it was thought at one stage that it might be helpful if I indicated the Government's posit...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c966-7 (Link to this contribution) I had not appreciated the qualification of being accepted by both Parliaments. If they are accepted ...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c971 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to be helpful to the noble and learned Lord. I urge him not to place too much emphasis o...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c970-1 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the noble Lord that the point is important. He made an important distinction b...
Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 736 c971-2 (Link to this contribution) On the issue of seeking agreement with the Scottish Government on the nature of the question to be p...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c971 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was asked on one or two occasions whether it would be legal to have a referendum on so-c...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 736 c970 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may clarify something in view of our earlier discussion. Apart from the process of Section...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c973 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am quickly trying to look at the draft Section 30 order that was attached to the consult...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c972 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes an interesting and constructive proposal. I agree with the object of what he is...
Duke of Montrose | 736 c972-3 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been most helpful in explaining the Government's position. There is one extra eleme...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c972 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think anyone is suggesting putting on the ballot paper, ““Do you think it is lega...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c1001 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my Amendment 94E takes what my noble friend Lord Steel said a little bit further, and asks...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 736 c1007 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to say how much I sympathise and agree with the speech of the noble Baroness,...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c1007-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have already had my say on the issue of different referendums quite extensively and ther...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments has allowed us to look at a number of the practical, important is...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1010 (Link to this contribution) While my noble and learned friend has a drink, is this phrase of allowing the Electoral Commission t...
Lord Selsdon | 736 c1001-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 96, if I am in order. I feel that because of my voice, I should ...
Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 736 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unlike the noble Lord, Lord Selsdon, I do not have a lair. However, I was born to a Scotti...
Lord Selkirk of Douglas | 736 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness has, as usual, made a very persuasive speech, and I look forward to the...
Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 736 c1005-7 (Link to this contribution) I wish to make some comments in relation to the amendments spoken to by my noble friend Lady Taylor ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1010 (Link to this contribution) Yes, including the question. I notice that in the Scottish Government's consultation paper, which wa...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1010-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in our earlier debate on referendums, in response to an issue raised by the noble Lord, Lo...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c1013 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a fascinating debate ranging from the vicissitudes of the Lothian list electio...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1014 (Link to this contribution) 95: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Continued effect of provisions ceasing to be...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1013 (Link to this contribution) I hear what my noble friend says, but I ask him to reflect him on two points. First, it is my unders...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c1013 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw Amendment 93. Amendment 93 (to Amendment 91) withdrawn.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1012 (Link to this contribution) From the reaction that the noble Baroness has had to that comment, it is clearly one that resonates ...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c1012-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful for what the Minister said in reply to my amendment, which a number of noble...
Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 736 c1012 (Link to this contribution) I understand many of the difficulties that the Minister is describing, especially if the referendum ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c995 (Link to this contribution) I hear what my noble friend says and the force with which he says it. I suggested that we might try ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c995 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I may finish this point and then I will certainly give way. The noble Lord, Lord William...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c995 (Link to this contribution) I am finding it difficult to understand what there is to negotiate about if we are to have one quest...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c995-6 (Link to this contribution) I tried to note down a phrase that my noble friend used: ““We are determined to resolve this questio...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c996 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to prolong this. My question was: is the Minister saying to us, in pursuing his Sectio...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c996 (Link to this contribution) There has been considerable agreement between the two Governments on the role of the Electoral Commi...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c996-7 (Link to this contribution) I indicated that we are not generally disposed to supporting the idea of a threshold. My noble frien...
Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 736 c997 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. On the specific of timing, in response to the comment of the no...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c998 (Link to this contribution) 90A: Before Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Taxes and excise duties (1) In Part 2 of S...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c998 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in view of the excellent progress we are making not only in these proceedings but behind t...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c997 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes an important point, which was reflected in some of the responses to the consult...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c997-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have an excellent debate. We have had a very helpful reply from the Minister. We have a...
Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 736 c999 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend moves his amendment, I wonder whether he would comment on the very interestin...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c999-1000 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is a former Member of the Scottish Parliament, as I am, and I thought it was very in...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c998 (Link to this contribution) 91: Before Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Referendum about Scottish independence (1) ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c998-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a good debate on the whole issue of a referendum. However, there are one or tw...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think this amendment has been overtaken by events. The Minister has made it clear that t...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c1000 (Link to this contribution) 93: Before Clause 10, line 14, at end insert ““and the Scottish Parliament. ( ) Such a referendum mu...
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 736 c1015-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has suggested that as I have sat here all night, I should at least say som...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1015 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the second point, a noble Lord asked me earlier—it may have been my noble friend the Du...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c1015 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to detain the Committee, but what problem does the amendment seeks to remedy? Has some...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c1014-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the reason for disagreeing Clause 10 is that this proposed new clause will replace it. The...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c942 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in a position similar to that of the noble Lord, Lord Browne, in having to deal with ...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c940-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not support the noble Lord's amendment. In case anyone should be in any doubt about t...
Lord Lyell | 736 c939 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may put a gloss on what my noble friend has said about these taxes. He refers to accountab...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c939 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support what has been said so far. The present situation, as is increasingly becoming cl...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c936-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the amendment that I was speaking to previously. It is a device that provides for ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c936 (Link to this contribution) 74C: Clause 43, page 32, line 27, at end insert— ““(1A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c936 (Link to this contribution) I rest my case. I was not aware that there was a tax on plastic bags there, but if it is thought to ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c935 (Link to this contribution) Can my noble and learned friend give us two examples of taxes that might be added using this general...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c934-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Forsyth indicated that this amendment was a hook on which to hang a w...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c935-6 (Link to this contribution) I have to say to my noble and learned friend that that was a disappointing response. I thought that ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c935 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the point of not putting that on the face of the Bill is to make sure that there is provis...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c933 (Link to this contribution) That is where we differ. I am not against the Scottish Parliament having such powers. I want the Bil...
Lord Lyell | 736 c933-4 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend made a powerful speech; indeed, I am half way to agreeing with him. However, our nob...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c933 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend mutters that it was not a tax. However, I am saying that it could be a tax. There is...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c927-8 (Link to this contribution) I ask my noble friend to forgive me if I have misunderstood or misinterpreted what he said. A Sectio...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c928 (Link to this contribution) If we go down that route and there is an agreement between the Scottish Executive and the UK Governm...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c927 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is right to say that a Section 30 order is the Government's preferred route and that...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c925-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I might deal with the final comment made by the noble Lord, Lord Browne. I acknowl...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c927 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble and learned friend. Given that Section 30 is the Government's preferr...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c923-5 (Link to this contribution) The consideration of this Bill in Committee in this House has been peppered with expressions of frus...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c928 (Link to this contribution) These are proper issues for debate. It is not the Government's intention to bring forward any amendm...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c928 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, not only would it be debated but it would be voted on in both the Houses of this Parliament....
Duke of Montrose | 736 c928 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are up against a slight hoolie on this procedure. The interesting Statement given to us...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c930 (Link to this contribution) I might have got this wrong but is Amendment 74B not about the privileges of the House of Commons? A...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c930-1 (Link to this contribution) My noble and learned friend is absolutely right. Amendment 74B is indeed about the impact on the pri...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c931-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, seeks by very specific provision to r...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c932 (Link to this contribution) I was simply trying to find a way of raising the subject again. There was no deeper meaning behind i...
Lord Sewel | 736 c928-9 (Link to this contribution) Part of the difficulty with the Section 30 route, of which I am in favour, is not merely that we do ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c929 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that a draft Section 30 order exists. However, the noble Lord, Lord Sewel, from his lo...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c929 (Link to this contribution) 74B: Clause 43, page 32, line 27, at end insert— ““( ) Section 28 shall not come into force until 60...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c929-30 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that my noble friend Lord Sewel is not here. I beg your Lordships' pardon. I mean my nobl...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 736 c932-3 (Link to this contribution) I do not know whether I am grateful to the noble Lord for that, because I had a very clever ending t...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 736 c933 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Forsyth has a technical point about taxation through Orders in Counci...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c933 (Link to this contribution) There are three members of the Calman commission here. I am sure that my noble friend Lord Selkirk o...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c919 (Link to this contribution) That the House do now resolve itself into Committee. That the House do now resolve itself into Comm...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c919 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this Motion, it may be helpful if I indicate that my right honourable friend the...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c920-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Wallace of Tankerness for the Written Statement and for circu...
Earl of Caithness | 736 c921 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether my noble and learned friend can help me with the parliamentary procedure. We are di...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c921-2 (Link to this contribution) I understand the noble Lord's frustration about the whole process and the way it has been dealt with...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c922 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord. I have no complaint about the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wal...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c922 (Link to this contribution) That is a point on which I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth. Indeed, I have a Question down f...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 736 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not interfere in Scottish matters; I would not dare. However, I have concerns about...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c949 (Link to this contribution) 85: Clause 43, page 32, line 40, at end insert— ““(4A) The following provisions shall not come into ...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c975-6 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I just wondered who dictated it. I am sure it is the noble Lord's own work; it is just that it ...
Lord Empey | 736 c984 (Link to this contribution) I hope that that would not be necessary. I certainly believe that the best outcome is that Parliamen...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 736 c994 (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy and support for what my noble friend says. I think that the noble Lord,...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c989 (Link to this contribution) This is all very sensible and I have no problem with any of it, but will the noble Lord say a bit ab...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 736 c964-5 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree with my noble friend. I think that needs to be made clear to Ministers. I was goi...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 736 c972 (Link to this contribution) Someone said that the question, or part of the question, might be, ““Do you consider the referendum ...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 736 c996 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble and learned friend. Will he leave it to the Electoral Commission to decide...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c936 (Link to this contribution) And caravans. I do not want to detain the House, but I know that my noble friend Lord Steel got into...
Lord Wigley | 736 c936 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord aware that there is a plastic bag tax in Wales?
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 736 c938-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is déjà vu all over again. I supported the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, the last time he r...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 736 c927 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my noble and learned friend, but I am actually anxious to save the Committee t...
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