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Health and Social Care Bill. As amended on report. In two volumes.
Tuesday, 13 March 2012
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Earl Howe | 736 c706 (Link to this contribution) That the Bill do now pass.

Baroness Thornton | 736 c706-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is indeed rare for this Motion to be moved in your Lordships' House. We have come to th...

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Baroness Thornton | 736 c706 (Link to this contribution) As an amendment to the Motion that the Bill do now pass, to leave out from ““that”” to the end and i...

Earl Howe | 736 c689 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, although I understand the noble Lord's question, I do not think that I can answer it at th...

Lord Warner | 736 c689 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Earl. I waited patiently until he had been through the research ar...

Earl Howe | 736 c690 (Link to this contribution) 15: Clause 185, page 186, line 44, leave out from ““England”” to end of line 45 and insert ““; (ca) ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 736 c689-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no intention of testing the opinion of the House this evening. We have negotiated l...

Lord MacKenzie of Culkein | 736 c694 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a nurse I am always delighted to support the noble Baroness, Lady Emerton, and I partic...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 736 c694-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have my name to the amendment. During the passage of this Bill, some of us have been try...

Lord Cotter | 736 c695-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Emerton, for introducing this amendment, which I hope the...

Baroness Emerton | 736 c691-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment concerns the power to register healthcare support workers in England. I shal...

Lord Patel | 736 c692-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on Report, I spoke strongly in support of the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lad...

Baroness Emerton | 736 c701 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Earl for that summary, and I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this short d...

Earl Howe | 736 c698-700 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have already had considerable debate on standards and training for healthcare support w...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 736 c698 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baronesses, Lady Cumberlege and Lady Emerton, and other noble Lords who have spo...

Baroness Cumberlege | 736 c696-8 (Link to this contribution) As a fellow of the Royal College of Nursing and the Royal College of Midwives, I very much regret th...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c709 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is with a very heavy heart that I feel I must stand up and record that many of the voic...

Earl Howe | 736 c705 (Link to this contribution) 21: Schedule 4, page 303, line 26, leave out sub-paragraph (4) and insert— ““(4) In subsection (4)— ...

Earl Howe | 736 c705-6 (Link to this contribution) 24: Schedule 5, page 333, line 22, leave out sub-paragraphs (2) to (4) and insert— ““(2) In subsecti...

Earl Howe | 736 c704-5 (Link to this contribution) 18: Clause 234, page 240, line 7, at end insert ““or section 117 of the Mental Health Act 1983 (afte...

Lord Winston | 736 c711 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Lord tell us whether he intends to vote for or against the amendment?

Lord Greaves | 736 c709-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an extraordinary parliamentary process. When this Bill was introduced, I sai...

Lord Greaves | 736 c711 (Link to this contribution) I am coming to that. So having said all this, why am I going to vote for the amendment moved by the ...

Lord Greaves | 736 c711-2 (Link to this contribution) I am just saying what I think, and I have a right to do that. I believe that my party is being extre...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 736 c712 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not yet spoken on this Bill. Could I ask the Minister a very practical question? If...

Earl Howe | 736 c712-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, made some very complimentary comments about me at the b...

Baroness Thornton | 736 c713-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the time has come for a vote on this matter. I add my own thanks to all noble Lords for th...

Earl Howe | 736 c666-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am pleased to conclude what has been a very good and constructive debate. I am extremely...

Earl Howe | 736 c673-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an important topic. The noble Baronesses, Lady Finlay and Lady Hollins, have eloqu...

Earl Howe | 736 c675-6 (Link to this contribution) I reassure my noble friend that there will be no shortage of advice available to CCGs once they are ...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 736 c675 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. I want to ask one question. I recently met a group ...

Earl Howe | 736 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful for the helpful and supportive comments that have been made by my noble...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c671-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for meeting me with the President and Vice President of the College of...

Baroness Hollins | 736 c672-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, given the concerns among the medical profession which are still evident, I ask the noble E...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 736 c668-9 (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 8, page 4, line 18, leave out from beginning to second ““the”” 3: Clause 8, page 4, line...

Earl Howe | 736 c669 (Link to this contribution) 7: Clause 23, page 23, line 8, after ““13E”” insert ““, 13G””

Earl Howe | 736 c669 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak also to Amendments 9 and 10. The three amendments in this group share a commo...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 736 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to government Amendments 7, 9 and 10, to which my name is attached, and in s...

Baroness Cumberlege | 736 c680-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 56 is simpler than the amendment I tabled on Report but it is necessary because ...

Earl Howe | 736 c679 (Link to this contribution) 12: Clause 40, page 75, line 37, leave out from ““Board,”” to second ““to”” in line 38 and insert ““...

Earl Howe | 736 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford, for all that he said. I hope that...

Earl Howe | 736 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to the other amendments in this group: 12, 13, 15, 16 and 18-29. During...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c676 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for that full reply and for his recognition of the contribution t...

Earl Howe | 736 c676 (Link to this contribution) 9: Clause 26, page 44, line 22, after ““14R”” insert ““, 14T”” 10: Clause 26, page 47, line 9, aft...

Baroness Jolly | 736 c678 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendments 15 and 16 as well. They seem to be another correction ...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 736 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am obviously very happy to add my name to the amendments tabled by the Minister in respe...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c678 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this group of amendments there are two that relate to Wales. On behalf of the NHS in Wa...

Earl Howe | 736 c685-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for the opportunity to return to this issue and for the e...

Earl Howe | 736 c687 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord asked me whether the board will be an advisory board or a board. Its fun...

Earl Howe | 736 c687-8 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, my noble friend is not correct. It will be able to take decisions. What it will not be...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 736 c687 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my honourable friend—I am sorry, I mean my noble friend; I keep calling him honoura...

Lord Warner | 736 c682-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment and pay tribute to the hard work put in by the noble B...

Baroness Jolly | 736 c683-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment. Historically, both parties to the coalition were in a...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 736 c684 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Health Protection Agency is held in high esteem throughout the world. It does the most...

Lord Turnberg | 736 c684-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak briefly, because much of what I might have said has already been said by t...

Lord Patel | 736 c685 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak very briefly. I spoke at length in Committee and on Report and I shall not r...

Lord Beecham | 736 c685 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join other noble Lords in congratulating the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, on the eno...

Earl Howe | 736 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) I accept the first point. In his article yesterday in the Observer, he called it ““constitutional ou...

Lord Owen | 736 c653 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Earl continues on that path, I have never used the word ““concealment”” in any of t...

Earl Howe | 736 c655 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take that to be the meaning of the Motion; in fact, it presents the House will an either...

Lord Grocott | 736 c655 (Link to this contribution) The point was not about any length of time that the process of appeal might take. This Motion specif...

Lord Alderdice | 736 c656 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have listened carefully to what the noble Lord, Lord Owen, has said. My understanding fr...

Lord Owen | 736 c655-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have heard a lot of speeches and I do not intend to take long, but I reiterate—if any n...

Lord Owen | 736 c656 (Link to this contribution) It is exactly the wording of the amendment, "““to consider the detailed reasons for the first-tier t...

Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 736 c651 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Fowler, and my noble friend Lord Wilson of Dinton in advisi...

Earl Howe | 736 c652 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as ever I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Owen, for speaking in such clear terms to th...

Baroness Thornton | 736 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, little needs to be added to the eloquent and succinct arguments deployed by the noble Lord...

Lord Newby | 736 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the noble Lords, Lord Patel and Lord Noon, in seeking to promote the ro...

Lord Noon | 736 c664-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in support of Amendments 1 to 6. I add my thanks to the Minister for his support i...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 736 c661-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak to Amendments 1 to 6 in respect of Clause 8 of the Bill. As noble Lords will no do...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 736 c661 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 8, page 4, line 17, leave out ““promoting equality of provision”” and insert ““reporting o...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c666 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much welcome the fact that these amendments have the Minister's name on them. He ha...

Lord Warner | 736 c666 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I commend the Government on making a move in the right direction with these amendments. At...

Lord Owen | 736 c657 (Link to this contribution) No, the noble Lord has had his say. All I am saying now to the House is that this is a decision on w...

Lord Clement-Jones | 736 c657 (Link to this contribution) My Lords—

Lord Owen | 736 c656-7 (Link to this contribution) I said that people outside this House consider it to be a flagrant lie. I have been around Parliamen...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 736 c645-6 (Link to this contribution) I support the Motion of the noble Lord, Lord Owen. I understand that he is saying, ““Let us look at ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is not just a question of the road to Damascus. When the Information Commissioner ruled...

Baroness Murphy | 736 c644-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare that I am a member of the British Medical Association and a fellow of the Royal ...

Lord Wilson of Dinton | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution) It is not for me to advise the Government on what to do, but I hope they will appeal, because the is...

Baroness Murphy | 736 c645 (Link to this contribution) That is not the implication of my remarks at all. The Information Commissioner has not released his ...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 736 c645 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Baroness explain to the House whether it is her view that the Information Commission...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 736 c644 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord share with the House his view as to what weight should be attached to the Infor...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 736 c642-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what the noble Lord, Lord Deben, said is well worth listening to, but I shall add one othe...

Lord Wilson of Dinton | 736 c643-4 (Link to this contribution) I add my support to what the noble Lord, Lord Fowler, and others who have spoken against the Motion ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 736 c651 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to add to the question well raised by the previous speaker and ask the Minist...

Lord Grocott | 736 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that we are about to reach a conclusion. I want simply to make an obvious point ...

Lord Grocott | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution) I am certain that the House wants to reach a conclusion, but that is a bad way to start.

Lord Clement-Jones | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my next sentence was about to deal with precisely the point made by my noble friend. It ca...

Baroness Tonge | 736 c649 (Link to this contribution) In all sincerity, if the risk register is so totally out of date and bears no relevance at all to th...

Lord Clement-Jones | 736 c648-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Walton, who, as we all know, carries such...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 736 c648 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have the greatest respect for my noble friend Lord Owen—a noted Health Secretary and For...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution) Not on a Bill. The noble Lord, Lord Owen, says it is not about the Bill; he says we should wait for ...

Earl Howe | 736 c634 (Link to this contribution) That the Bill be now read a third time. Moved by

Lord Owen | 736 c634 (Link to this contribution) To leave out from ““that”” to the end and insert ““the Bill be not read a third time until the House...

Lord Owen | 736 c635-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is rather a strange situation. We are coming to the end of an extraordinarily long pr...

Lord Fowler | 736 c637-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly. I listened carefully to what the noble Lord said, but I am not sure t...

Lord Peston | 736 c640-1 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Lord, Lord Owen, in what I regard as a special case. I think he, too, is arguing...

Lord Deben | 736 c641-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to share with your Lordships' House, for the first time, my experience of try...

Baroness Thornton | 736 c640 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord aware that all NHS organisations, strategic health authorities, PCTs and local aut...

Lord Birt | 736 c640 (Link to this contribution) I shall come to the risks of publication in a second. What are the means of creating an effective ri...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 736 c642 (Link to this contribution) Before he finishes his remarks, will the noble Lord explain why the National Security Council publis...

Lord Deben | 736 c642 (Link to this contribution) For exactly the same reason that the National Health Service does.

Baroness Thornton | 736 c642 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not think that the Information Commissioner and the tribunal have taken those po...

Lord Deben | 736 c642 (Link to this contribution) I would not dream of suggesting that I know what the tribunal and the commissioner have taken into a...

Lord Birt | 736 c639-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to underline some of the arguments articulated by the noble Lord, Lord Fowler. A ri...

Baroness Jay of Paddington | 736 c639 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as the House knows, I chair your Lordships' Constitution Committee, which has produced two...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 736 c638-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since Second Reading in this Chamber, this House has carried out a very thorough public sc...

Baroness Emerton | 736 c690-1 (Link to this contribution) 17: After Clause 229, insert the following new Clause— ““Power to register health care support worke...

Earl Howe | 736 c705 (Link to this contribution) 19: Clause 250, page 248, line 4, at end insert ““or section 117 of the Mental Health Act 1983 (afte...

Earl Howe | 736 c705 (Link to this contribution) 20: Clause 254, page 249, line 36, at end insert ““or section 117 of the Mental Health Act 1983 (aft...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 736 c668 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the Minister's support in this and for taking it a lot further than I had don...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c671 (Link to this contribution) 8: Clause 26, page 39, line 24, at end insert— ““( ) the provision of integrated urgent and emergenc...

Baroness Cumberlege | 736 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) 14: Clause 56, page 87, line 3, at end insert— ““( ) On abolition of the Health Protection Agency, t...

Earl Howe | 736 c676 (Link to this contribution) 11: Clause 40, page 75, line 24, leave out paragraph (c) and insert— ““(c) after ““such time as the”...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c647 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness makes a valid point but I am giving many examples of where certain individuals, s...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 736 c696 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Emerton, in tabling this amendment, has come up with something very sophisticat...

Lord Dubs | 736 c709 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak very briefly as the House wants to move to a vote. I support this amendment ...

Lord Turnberg | 736 c687 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl for giving way. Will this board be an advisory board or the board?

Lord Martin of Springburn | 736 c646-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have sat for many hours with my noble friend Lord Owen on this Bill. We both have an app...

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 736 c649-50 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much. I will make one short point. All your Lordships, wherever you may sit in this H...

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