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Welfare Reform Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 1 February 2012, in the House of Commons.
Welfare Reform Bill. Programme motion (No. 3) on proceedings on consideration of Lords amendments and subsequent stages. Agreed to on question. Consideration of Lords amendments. Lords amendments 5 to 14, 16, 20 to 22, 24, 25, 27 to 46, 48 to 72 and 74 to 110, agreed to. Commons amendment made to Lords amendment 19. Commons financial privilege waived in respect of Lords amendments 16, 20 to 22, 28 to 37, 78, 80, 81, 83 to 86, 88, 90 to 94, 98, 101 to 106 and 108. Motion that a Committee be appointed to draw up a Reason to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments 1 to 4, 15, 17, 18, 23, 26, 47 and 73. Agreed to on question. Committee reported and reasons agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate said Reasons, with the Bill and amendments.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
539 c824-951 
Session
2010-12
Department
Department for Work and Pensions
Legislative stage
Lords amendments and Commons amendments
Procedure
Programme motions
Commons reasons
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Welfare Reform Bill. Explanatory notes also published (Bill 154-EN).
Wednesday, 16 February 2011
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is not acceptable. The hon. Member for Devizes (Claire Perry) should not shout across th...
Stephen Timms | 539 c837 (Link to this contribution) I was not aware of that, and I am concerned to hear it. My hon. Friend is absolutely right that stro...

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Joan Walley | 539 c837 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend share my concern about those constituents of mine who have had strokes and...
Stephen Timms | 539 c838 (Link to this contribution) Those figures were quoted extensively in our debate. Our view is simply this: we should not be takin...
Steve Baker | 539 c838 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a heart-rending case, but will he tell us what assessment he has made...
Stephen Timms | 539 c838 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman looks at the amendment, he will see that it refers to a period of ““at least 7...
Steve Webb | 539 c838 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman has accepted the principle of time-limiting. He says that a year is too sho...
Stephen Timms | 539 c839 (Link to this contribution) I also noted that the Minister did not give my hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen South the assuran...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c839 (Link to this contribution) When my hon. Friend the Member for Aberdeen South (Dame Anne Begg) asked a question about a 20-year-...
Stephen Timms | 539 c838-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The impact assessment states that the provision"““puts those pr...
Anne Begg | 539 c838 (Link to this contribution) The change will affect not only those who have had a disability since birth or childhood. A young pe...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 539 c839-40 (Link to this contribution) The social impact of the proposals concerns me greatly. The right hon. Gentleman has rightly charact...
Stephen Timms | 539 c839 (Link to this contribution) That is a particularly important point. If a person decides to marry someone who has an income, they...
Stephen Timms | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. The young person will be robbed of their independence.
Stephen Timms | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for North Antrim (Ian Paisley) was talking about young people who are living with th...
Stephen Timms | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell us at what age a person becomes an adult?
Sammy Wilson | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the answer that the Minister has just given is quite astoun...
Stephen Timms | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has told us that someone who receives an inheritance should lose all their support from...
Eilidh Whiteford | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) Concerns have been expressed to me by parents who have tried to save for their disabled children. Th...
Stephen Timms | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is prompting the Minister with the answer. We will look carefully at the detail...
David Nuttall | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) As a matter of general principle, does the shadow Minister agree that there has to be a rule about t...
Stephen Timms | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) The Minister talks about people getting £1 million, but people who have £16,000 will get absolutely ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) Let us be absolutely clear: when someone leaves child benefit—which can be at the age of 18 or 19, d...
Stephen Timms | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps he is going to have another go.
Stephen Timms | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) To be fair to the Ministers, I think that there is some confusion on the Front Bench over the positi...
Stephen Timms | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The number of people who have a million pounds can be counted on...
Anne Begg | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) What has just been illustrated is the assumption that people are out of work in order to get benefit...
Stephen Timms | 539 c841-2 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right; that is how the Government are changing the system. Disabled young people,...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) Are not Government Members mistaken on this? We are talking about the existing rules, which encourag...
Stephen Timms | 539 c841 (Link to this contribution) We are being taken into a slightly broader argument, but I will answer the point directly. The capit...
Mark Durkan | 539 c844 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend may recall that, in an intervention on the Minister, the hon. Member for Shipley (Phi...
Lord Grayling | 539 c842 (Link to this contribution) Before my hon. Friend moves on and in case I do not have a chance to respond at the end of the debat...
Paul Maynard | 539 c842 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to welcome the vast bulk of what the Government are doing. It is a pleasure to hear tha...
Anne Begg | 539 c843-4 (Link to this contribution) Let me say from the outset that I support the Lords amendments and do not agree with the Government'...
Paul Maynard | 539 c842-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that helpful clarification. Secondly, I want to reflect on the comments pr...
Speaker | 539 c845 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Member for Sittingbourne and Sheppey (Gordon Henderson) has asked a question, Dame A...
Anne Begg | 539 c845 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman sit down while I answer his question? The whole point of contributory ESA is...
Gordon Henderson | 539 c845 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way to me again. I have been made redundant twice in my life, and o...
Anne Begg | 539 c844 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with my hon. Friend. It is not a lifestyle choice to be diagnosed with a prog...
Sammy Wilson | 539 c844 (Link to this contribution) To a certain extent I agree with what the hon. Member for Shipley (Philip Davies) said about lifesty...
Anne Begg | 539 c845 (Link to this contribution) I do accept the principle of means-testing, but I am not sure why that is relevant.
Anne Begg | 539 c844 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. As I said earlier, the people who will be punished most are those who have done the right th...
Gordon Henderson | 539 c844 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept the principle of means-testing? That is my first question. If so, what lev...
Jenny Willott | 539 c847 (Link to this contribution) I was going to come on to that. If the hon. Lady will bear with me, I will hopefully answer her ques...
Harriett Baldwin | 539 c847 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making many interesting points. Does she agree that when a person has a degenerativ...
Jenny Willott | 539 c847 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is right, and many conditions get worse at varying rates—very slowly for some people, ...
Anne Begg | 539 c845 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I think that the hon. Gentleman's intervention illustrates some of th...
Mel Stride | 539 c845 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that any responsible policy must be fully costed? If so, will she answer t...
Anne Begg | 539 c845-6 (Link to this contribution) At present, those on incapacity benefit—the existing benefit, which the Government are to replace—wh...
Jenny Willott | 539 c846 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that that young man would probably qualify for disability living allowance...
Jenny Willott | 539 c846-7 (Link to this contribution) Returning to the issue of the time-limited employment and support allowance, there is real concern a...
Eilidh Whiteford | 539 c847 (Link to this contribution) I share the hon. Lady's concern about getting the test right in the first place, but is she confiden...
Jenny Willott | 539 c850 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way any more, because quite a number of people want to speak and we have only half a...
Stephen Timms | 539 c848 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady set out the fact that there was objection at her party conference to an arbitrary time...
Jenny Willott | 539 c848-9 (Link to this contribution) There needs to be some stability, so that people know what to expect. One of the problems with putti...
Lord Grayling | 539 c848 (Link to this contribution) It is important that we put it on record for the House once again that, possibly with a tiny number ...
Jenny Willott | 539 c848 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, and I hope that when the figures flow through on appeals that have ta...
Eilidh Whiteford | 539 c848 (Link to this contribution) My concern remains that far too many people are having to appeal against their work capability asses...
Jenny Willott | 539 c848 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Lady's concern, and the issue has been raised over a number of years by those ...
Jenny Willott | 539 c847-8 (Link to this contribution) I will make some progress, because I have hardly said anything yet, and I am being intervened on lef...
Liam Byrne | 539 c832 (Link to this contribution) I want to try to follow the Minister's logic a step further. Is he going on to propose that British ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c832 (Link to this contribution) It relates to someone who has not lived in the UK for most of the past 15 years, although she is a B...
Stephen Timms | 539 c832 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that the case in question relates to a disabled young woman who is living ...
Anne Begg | 539 c831 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify absolutely that a 20-year-old who will never work and who lives at home wit...
Lord Grayling | 539 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) I cannot give an undertaking in all circumstances, because every circumstance will be different. But...
Lord Grayling | 539 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) No, I have already given way to the hon. Gentleman. If amendment 18 were accepted, it is estimated ...
Ann Clwyd | 539 c830 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentioned Macmillan, which is a well respected organisation. It estimates that some 7,0...
Lord Grayling | 539 c830 (Link to this contribution) The issue comes back to the core principle of why we are imposing the time limit. We are not taking ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c830 (Link to this contribution) It is very much our intention—especially for those who have finished their treatment but are not yet...
Stephen Timms | 539 c837 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. A woman with Parkinson's disease also makes exactly that point:"...
Stephen Timms | 539 c836 (Link to this contribution) It will be a financial catastrophe for a very large number of people, and the Minister should listen...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 539 c836 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that, very simply, this change that the Government are seeking i...
Stephen Timms | 539 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. I am afraid that the message that this measure is sending ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c836 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Minister has just talked about the position of somebody who has a spouse who is earning £...
Stephen Timms | 539 c836-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right—indeed, I am just going on to make that very point. It is not...
Anne Begg | 539 c837 (Link to this contribution) The other group of people who will be affected by the time-limiting are those who have slowly progre...
Stephen Timms | 539 c836 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right: 12 months is simply not long enough for a very large number ...
David Nuttall | 539 c836 (Link to this contribution) Does the shadow Minister agree that it is completely illogical to single out cancer as a separate di...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c835 (Link to this contribution) Before my right hon. Friend moves on, perhaps he could dwell on that point. The Government rightly s...
Stephen Timms | 539 c835 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Ministers say that there is no need to worry because means-teste...
Mark Durkan | 539 c835 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the Minister, with his rather ““Let them eat cake”” answer to o...
Lord Grayling | 539 c832 (Link to this contribution) Of course it is not. We are saying that somebody should not be able to claim a benefit for the first...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c832 (Link to this contribution) Has the Minister talked to the Secretary of State about this? Would a more logical position not be t...
Lord Grayling | 539 c832-3 (Link to this contribution) I would love to secure a more pragmatic and sensible approach to the regulation of social security i...
Stephen Timms | 539 c833-4 (Link to this contribution) The Government are determined to insert some terrible things into the Bill, and none of them is wors...
Lord Grayling | 539 c834 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the right hon. Gentleman how he has factored into his considerations the typical six-month...
Stephen Timms | 539 c834 (Link to this contribution) The question is: how long do people need to be on ESA before they get back into work? According to t...
Lord Grayling | 539 c834 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the right hon. Gentleman answered my question. I asked him how much he had fa...
Stephen Timms | 539 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) I answered the Minister's question. What his figures show is that only 6% of those who go on to ESA—...
Stephen Timms | 539 c830 (Link to this contribution) I know that there has been some discussion in the last few days that if a doctor or nurse were able ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c828 (Link to this contribution) The principle of the welfare state that I described—that it is there to provide a safety net for tho...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c828 (Link to this contribution) Does not the Government's proposal conflict with what they are trying to do? The Minister says that ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c828 (Link to this contribution) I do not doubt the hon. Gentleman's views, but he is a member of a party whose leader and shadow Sec...
David Winnick | 539 c828 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister aware that many of us are grateful for what the House of Lords has done? It has acte...
Lord Grayling | 539 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right that we have to have a system that is fair both to the taxpayer w...
Philip Davies | 539 c828 (Link to this contribution) What taxpayers in my constituency find obnoxious is people who use the welfare state as an alternati...
Lord Grayling | 539 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) I can indeed confirm that that is the case. We have listened very carefully on this issue, and it wa...
Anne Begg | 539 c829 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify, for the avoidance of doubt, that someone who has been in the work-related ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c826-7 (Link to this contribution) Throughout the process of the Bill in both this House and the other place, we have listened carefull...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 539 c827 (Link to this contribution) On contributory benefit, does the Minister accept that giving a person who has made a recovery after...
Lord Grayling | 539 c827 (Link to this contribution) I will to talk in more detail about cancer, which is one of the measures we are addressing. I accept...
Speaker | 539 c826 (Link to this contribution) I must draw the House's attention to the fact that financial privilege is involved in a substantial ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c826 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 15.
Lord Grayling | 539 c827 (Link to this contribution) The important thing about that measure is that we must have a welfare system in which people have co...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c827 (Link to this contribution) I do not think there is any agreement on that. Is it not possible to honour national insurance contr...
Lord Grayling | 539 c827 (Link to this contribution) The principle I described is a long-standing one that has been applied to other benefits, such as jo...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c899 (Link to this contribution) I tend to agree with the hon. Gentleman. I do not know Gloucester very well, but it would be unlikel...
Joan Ruddock | 539 c898 (Link to this contribution) We all appreciate that the hon. Gentleman's constituents who are in work are hard-working and may be...
Richard Graham | 539 c898 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises a key point, and I will come on to the definition of ““homeless”” in a moment,...
Liam Byrne | 539 c900 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is very generous and I am grateful for his compliments. But he must accept that M...
Richard Graham | 539 c900 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an important point. I have heard from many charities, whose work I deeply...
Iain Duncan Smith | 539 c900 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the biggest problems in these debates about welfare is that co...
Richard Graham | 539 c899-900 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is welcome to visit Gloucester. We have lots of things to show her that she will enjoy...
Andy Slaughter | 539 c897-8 (Link to this contribution) I will not. I end by asking the right hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr Redwood), who talked about how ...
Richard Graham | 539 c898 (Link to this contribution) It is an absolute delight to join the debate, which is of key interest to my constituents. I first ...
Jenny Willott | 539 c896 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way any more because I want to give other people the chance to speak. There are no ...
Jenny Willott | 539 c897 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend. I give way to the Minister.
Simon Hughes | 539 c896-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has done a huge amount of work. Before she sits down, may I say that the things that ...
Jenny Willott | 539 c897 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for clarifying those points. Finally, the Harrington process that has...
Lord Grayling | 539 c897 (Link to this contribution) I referred to this earlier, but I would like to put it on the record that we certainly intend to car...
Andy Slaughter | 539 c897 (Link to this contribution) This is how the benefit system works in high-rent areas. If someone with four children goes to Hamme...
Jenny Willott | 539 c895 (Link to this contribution) I will give way on that point and then I will not give way again.
Michael McCann | 539 c895 (Link to this contribution) What does the hon. Lady make of what the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government sai...
Jenny Willott | 539 c895-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand that those are old figures that have been withdrawn and that new impact assessments hav...
Jenny Willott | 539 c894-5 (Link to this contribution) I have made clear my view on the total benefits cap a number of times already in the House, but I ta...
John McDonnell | 539 c894 (Link to this contribution) Some Members will have seen recent television programmes that relate to my constituents and to Rachm...
Robert Flello | 539 c894 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, if a tenant complains, those landlords kick them out?
John McDonnell | 539 c893-4 (Link to this contribution) May I just make it clear that I oppose a benefit cap in principle? This policy has been borne out of...
Michael McCann | 539 c892 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the hon. Gentleman a simple question? Does he not get the fact that people who work are al...
Guto Bebb | 539 c893 (Link to this contribution) I reiterate the point that my Front Benchers have made: there are not many people in my constituency...
Liam Byrne | 539 c892 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the hon. Gentleman felt the need to add that rejoinder. There is already a very loca...
Guto Bebb | 539 c892 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting comment. The right hon. Gentleman almost implies that there are no difference...
Bill Esterson | 539 c890 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c890 (Link to this contribution) If I may, I shall make one comment on the previous contribution. I thought that the right hon. Membe...
Guto Bebb | 539 c891-2 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr Field), who always provides the ...
John Redwood | 539 c889-90 (Link to this contribution) That is something we need to think rather more about, but unfortunately we have little time to do so...
John Redwood | 539 c889 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady. I am conscious that others want to speak so I shall not extend my a...
Liam Byrne | 539 c889 (Link to this contribution) Presumably, the fact that homelessness will not be created, which is what the Secretary of State has...
John Redwood | 539 c888 (Link to this contribution) I thought it was now common ground that for a large number of people on certain kinds of benefit, wo...
Liam Byrne | 539 c888 (Link to this contribution) Can the right hon. Gentleman tell us what the budget actually is because although we have heard some...
John Redwood | 539 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) Ministers are very capable of setting out their own figures. I do not have, at the top of my mind, a...
Naomi Long | 539 c889 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for making this point, which a number of Opposition Members from No...
John Redwood | 539 c887-8 (Link to this contribution) No, I like representing my constituents and I suspect that the two jobs would not be compatible. I a...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c888 (Link to this contribution) One thing that the right hon. Gentleman has not mentioned is that when we compare the working family...
John Redwood | 539 c887 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is ahead of me in my argument. So far, I think I have carried an expectant and worrie...
Liam Byrne | 539 c887 (Link to this contribution) I was not sure whether the right hon. Gentleman was about to propose himself as the head of Ofcap in...
Frank Dobson | 539 c886 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend take at least a minute or two to try to get across to Government Members t...
Liam Byrne | 539 c886 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my right hon. Friend, and then I hope that the Minister will answer some of my questio...
Harriett Baldwin | 539 c887 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is difficult to set a cap if one is not prepared to name a l...
John Redwood | 539 c887 (Link to this contribution) This is rightly difficult territory. I am relieved to hear that Ministers have reconsidered the tran...
Liam Byrne | 539 c886-7 (Link to this contribution) The Minister with responsibility for pensions asks what we did about it; again, in the Conservative ...
Liam Byrne | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) As we have seen, the budgets are moving around all over the place; we have just had £80 million put ...
Barry Gardiner | 539 c885-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way; he has been extremely courteous to the whole H...
Liam Byrne | 539 c886 (Link to this contribution) That brings me to the final point that I want to make, which is about how the policy will be impleme...
Jonathan Edwards | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) What discussions has the right hon. Gentleman had with his colleagues in the Welsh Government about ...
Liam Byrne | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will have read our amendment, so she will know that we propose to take politics out of...
Nick de Bois | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) I am still confused about exactly what the right hon. Gentleman's policy is. He may not know that th...
Liam Byrne | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) We have indeed had discussions with our colleagues in the Welsh Government, who accept the importanc...
Nick de Bois | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman might like to know that according to the Office for National Statistics, th...
Liam Byrne | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman would be wise to look to his own policy. I suspect that some people in his consti...
John Redwood | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the right hon. Gentleman's idea; I presume that the regulator would be called Ofc...
Liam Byrne | 539 c885 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will accept that there will be people, under the £26,000 cap, who could be better...
Liam Byrne | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) I promise that I will give way to the hon. Lady in a moment. A one-cap-fits-all approach will not w...
Harriett Baldwin | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman answer my second question? Would the regional benefit cap in central L...
Liam Byrne | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right, and what has been noticeable by its absence this afternoon is any argument ...
Steve McCabe | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) Would not a much simpler and more cost-effective solution for London be to do something to control t...
Liam Byrne | 539 c884 (Link to this contribution) I shall come on to that directly, but I agree with the hon. Lady on one important point. It is impor...
Harriett Baldwin | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman enjoyed my recently published Centre for Policy Studies poli...
Liam Byrne | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) I am going to do exactly that. The Minister makes an important point about regionalisation and local...
Ian Swales | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) Having sat through almost every sitting of the Public Bill Committee, I do not recall this issue get...
Liam Byrne | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely right, and I shall say a few words later about the dramatic escalation in the housing ben...
Liam Byrne | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Perhaps if Conservative Members had not tried to play politics a...
Kate Green | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that we are getting slightly misleading information about the percen...
Liam Byrne | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) It becomes clearer and clearer that the flaws in this one-cap-fits-all policy loom large indeed.
Anna Soubry | 539 c882 (Link to this contribution) I can assure the right hon. Gentleman, following conversations with my constituents in Broxtowe, tha...
Liam Byrne | 539 c882 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the hon. Lady for making that point with such force. No one is against people ...
Joan Ruddock | 539 c882 (Link to this contribution) Let me remind my right hon. Friend and, through him, the House that we are talking about benefits an...
Liam Byrne | 539 c882 (Link to this contribution) They should be back in work, which is why we are so angry that unemployment is set to rise, rise and...
Lord Grayling | 539 c881-2 (Link to this contribution) I have two questions for the right hon. Gentleman, to which I would appreciate simple answers. First...
Liam Byrne | 539 c881 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making the point that we tried to make in our amendment—namely, that a ““one c...
Anna Soubry | 539 c882 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman says that some people will have to move home. Why does he think that that i...
Liam Byrne | 539 c882 (Link to this contribution) As I have rehearsed this afternoon, we simply think that a ““one cap fits all”” approach is not goin...
Maria Miller | 539 c907 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 1.
Kate Green | 539 c901 (Link to this contribution) I need only a couple of minutes to ask three questions, particularly in relation to the Lords amendm...
Richard Graham | 539 c900-1 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Gentleman will have just heard, I came into this House from outside politics, with...
Iain Duncan Smith | 539 c907 (Link to this contribution) Far be it for me to suggest an answer, but the right hon. Member for Birmingham, Hodge Hill (Mr Byrn...
Speaker | 539 c907 (Link to this contribution) My response to the original point of order is that I am operating under the programme motion that th...
Liam Byrne | 539 c906-7 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. This has been an important debate, yet the Government have e...
Speaker | 539 c907 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, I call Mr Iain Duncan Smith.
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c902 (Link to this contribution) I stood up to say that we cannot simply go to the population in the way suggested. When I was out on...
Lord Grayling | 539 c902 (Link to this contribution) You'd think they hadn't been in government for a generation! As we stand here, we still do not know...
Lord Grayling | 539 c902 (Link to this contribution) Let us ask one of them who was on the Committee. Does the hon. Lady support the benefit cap?
Lord Grayling | 539 c901 (Link to this contribution) In the past hour and 45 minutes, we have listened to a debate that sums up the difference between th...
Maria Miller | 539 c909-10 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her intervention. I will come on to this in a bit more detail in a moment...
Andrew Percy | 539 c910 (Link to this contribution) I support a lot of what the Minister is trying to do, and I know how dedicated she is to trying to h...
Maria Miller | 539 c909 (Link to this contribution) I can tell the right hon. Gentleman how many children do not receive any maintenance from the other ...
Claire O'Neill | 539 c909 (Link to this contribution) May I say how strongly I support the reforms, particularly the link-up with Her Majesty's Revenue an...
Maria Miller | 539 c907-9 (Link to this contribution) As Mr Speaker has indicated, Lords amendments 1, 2, 3, 4, 26 and 73 impinge on the financial privile...
Speaker | 539 c907 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to consider the following: Lords amendment 2, and Government motion...
Maria Miller | 539 c910 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for making that point. He is absolutely right. Indeed, back in 1991...
Maria Miller | 539 c910 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for the opportunity to clarify an important aspect of the current situation. ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c910 (Link to this contribution) Is not the really big change that we are discussing the fact that when the CSA was first established...
Maria Miller | 539 c911 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will forgive me if I try to make some progress. I know that many hon. Members want to ...
Maria Miller | 539 c911 (Link to this contribution) I will make a little more progress, if the hon. Gentleman will forgive me. We are doubling Governme...
Lord Watts | 539 c911-2 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister share my experience that it is not a question of the system but a matter of enforc...
Bob Russell | 539 c910 (Link to this contribution) What would the administrative costs be of levying the £20 fee and processing it?
Maria Miller | 539 c910 (Link to this contribution) I just realised that I did not finish my response to the right hon. Member for Birkenhead (Mr Field)...
Maria Miller | 539 c910-1 (Link to this contribution) Hon. Members will forgive me if I make some progress, as I may answer some of their questions before...
Maria Miller | 539 c912 (Link to this contribution) I share the hon. Gentleman's experiences of the current system and although I pay tribute to the sta...
Frank Roy | 539 c912 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has just praised Gingerbread. Does she agree with what Gingerbread has said—that 72% of...
Maria Miller | 539 c912 (Link to this contribution) I think it is very important to work with individuals in all the organisations that support families...
Lord Grayling | 539 c871 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and what my hon. Friend says makes all the more extraordinary the flip-flopping position tha...
Philip Davies | 539 c871 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate my right hon. Friend on disagreeing with the Lords on this point. He is absolutely ri...
Lord Grayling | 539 c871 (Link to this contribution) As Mr Speaker has indicated, Lords amendment 47 impinges on the financial privilege of this House. I...
Speaker | 539 c870 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to consider new clause 1 and amendments (a) to (j) in lieu of Lords ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c870 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House disagrees with Lords amendment 47.
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c857 (Link to this contribution) One of the things that it would be interesting to discuss if we had more time, and it is dreadful th...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c856-7 (Link to this contribution) What we have heard today is that there is a big divide between the parties on our views of what the ...
Sarah Newton | 539 c857 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is absolutely right that people's circumstances change, but does she not agree that th...
Ian Lavery | 539 c855 (Link to this contribution) If that was the case, there would not be a problem with the legislation. Everybody would get what th...
Eilidh Whiteford | 539 c855-6 (Link to this contribution) I will try to keep my comments brief, given the time pressure on us. The Lords has done us a big se...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c855 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that it is rather strange that a Government who have been saying that disa...
Ian Lavery | 539 c855 (Link to this contribution) What I will not accept is that everyone suffering from cancer will be in the work group. That is not...
Speaker | 539 c854 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are going to go through the Chair and we cannot use ““you””. We know better now. Okay, Mr ...
Michael McCann | 539 c854-5 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give me some clarification to get the facts straight? If someone who has worked ...
Sarah Newton | 539 c854 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, the hon. Gentleman is not concerned with the facts at all. Cancer does not respect politi...
Liam Byrne | 539 c854 (Link to this contribution) Follow the debate; you should know what you are voting for!
Speaker | 539 c854 (Link to this contribution) Order. We do not need Front Benchers to join in as well. We have enough with the Back Benchers.
Ian Lavery | 539 c854 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am the sort of person who would not, in any event, agree to cuts for...
Lord Grayling | 539 c874 (Link to this contribution) I will give way one more time as the hon. Lady was on the Committee.
Lord Grayling | 539 c874 (Link to this contribution) There might be an element of that—it is difficult to escape that conclusion. The Opposition proposal...
Lord Grayling | 539 c875 (Link to this contribution) That is important. I said at the beginning of the debate that our amendments are not simply about mo...
Lord Grayling | 539 c874 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I simply do not buy the homelessness argument that Labour Members keep making. We ar...
Karen Buck | 539 c874 (Link to this contribution) The Minister knows that the Committee extensively discussed the impact of housing costs and their in...
Lord Grayling | 539 c873 (Link to this contribution) We need to be clear about what has happened. We have been through months of debate. The Labour party...
Harriett Baldwin | 539 c873-4 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right that in the 26 sittings of the Welfare Reform Bill Committee, which I ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c873 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, but that is not a conversation that the shadow Secretary of Stat...
Nick Raynsford | 539 c873 (Link to this contribution) The Minister expressed surprise at the concept of variable caps and benefits. Is he not aware that t...
Baroness Hoey | 539 c872 (Link to this contribution) Although most of us agree that there should be a cap, does the Minister not accept that the situatio...
Lord Grayling | 539 c872 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the problem. Many people are taking a hard look at the financial situation and askin...
Margot James | 539 c873 (Link to this contribution) Can I assume that if the Government accepted the Opposition's proposal, the £26,000 cap would apply ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c872-3 (Link to this contribution) I was going to come on to the Opposition amendments, but I should make the point that, although this...
Philip Davies | 539 c873 (Link to this contribution) I, too, have a great deal of respect for the hon. Member for Vauxhall (Kate Hoey), but does my right...
Lord Grayling | 539 c873 (Link to this contribution) That may well be the case, but of course it is not clear. We do not quite know what is in the mind o...
Joan Ruddock | 539 c871 (Link to this contribution) I would support entirely what the Minister says but for the fact that in my constituency, rents are ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c871 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady uses the evocative word ““homeless””, but what happens to people in her constitu...
Lord Grayling | 539 c872 (Link to this contribution) Of course people on lower incomes can receive housing benefit, but I am not aware that it is paid to...
John Redwood | 539 c872 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my right hon. Friend has seen that, in recent years, a large number of new jobs in th...
David Winnick | 539 c850 (Link to this contribution) This is indeed a grubby and obnoxious measure, but I have no doubt that at 2.30 pm, the Government w...
Speaker | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) That is not a point of order for the Chair, but you have put the point on the record which I think i...
Ian Lavery | 539 c853-4 (Link to this contribution) As I was saying, one in three of us—[Hon. Members: ““Shame!””] I will start again. One in three of u...
Philip Davies | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Is it in order for an hon. Gentleman to make an accusation t...
Ian Lavery | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) If anyone ever had any doubt about the same old Tories and the nasty party, they have just seen an a...
David Nuttall | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. With universal credit, we seek to sweep away some of the complex...
John Hemming | 539 c852-3 (Link to this contribution) Like me, my hon. Friend might not be surprised that the Opposition are ignoring the effect of univer...
David Nuttall | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) Some constituents might choose to do that, but that is a matter for them. I am not going to recommen...
Ian Lavery | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. One in three of us suffers from cancer at any one time. I am very unf...
Speaker | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is up to the hon. Gentleman whether he wishes to give way. Having three people shouting at...
Ian Lavery | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) On the issue at hand, one in three of us—
Philip Davies | 539 c853 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David Nuttall | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree. We have to ask why people save. They save for a rainy day. They save in case they lo...
Anne Begg | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman be advising his constituents to take out private insurance to protect agains...
Lord Grayling | 539 c851 (Link to this contribution) If I understand correctly, the hon. Gentleman has just described the very sad case of someone who wi...
David Nuttall | 539 c851 (Link to this contribution) It is always a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Walsall North (Mr Winnick), although I d...
Speaker | 539 c851 (Link to this contribution) Order. Quite a few Members wish to speak, so may I ask for short speeches? That will mean that we ca...
David Nuttall | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. We have heard a lot about this means-testing this afternoon. We have heard that the syst...
Philip Davies | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my surprise that the Labour party, which now has this synthetic anger abou...
David Nuttall | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) We must have rules of policy in an insurance system. The Labour party accepted that when it was in g...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) If people thought about this they would realise that if they had been saving and making that effort—...
Iain Duncan Smith | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Liam Byrne | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) Of course. The Labour party advanced the position in our amendment not, as the Minister said in a sl...
Liam Byrne | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. I will give way to him as often as he wants. We have set out a clear alternative appro...
Tracey Crouch | 539 c879 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the shadow Secretary of State for giving way. Having read the Conservative briefing...
Liam Byrne | 539 c879 (Link to this contribution) We will seek a vote on Labour's amendment on Labour's benefit cap, and we are disappointed that the ...
Julian Brazier | 539 c879 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman answer the question put to him just now by Government Members? Does he...
Liam Byrne | 539 c879 (Link to this contribution) The principle on which we both agree and which we have advanced reforms to put in place is this: peo...
Iain Duncan Smith | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) Throughout this debate, we have seen a game played out by the Opposition: on the one hand they are i...
Liam Byrne | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) I spent much of this morning perusing the helpful Conservative party briefing on the Bill—I am sure ...
Tracey Crouch | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Liam Byrne | 539 c878 (Link to this contribution) I will give way, but then I want to set out where I think we both agree.
Lord Grayling | 539 c876 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that those were not the words used by the Secretary of State, but I want to reas...
Simon Hughes | 539 c875-6 (Link to this contribution) I support the principle of the cap and appreciate the Government's efforts to understand the difficu...
Lord Grayling | 539 c875 (Link to this contribution) I shall make some progress because we do not have that much time and other hon. Members will want to...
Liam Byrne | 539 c877 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the Secretary of State who I know will join me later this week in forming a new a...
Iain Duncan Smith | 539 c877-8 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman says that he is upset that we are invoking financial privilege. Will he tel...
Liam Byrne | 539 c877 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in favour of the amendment in my name and those of my right hon. and hon. Friends. I...
Iain Duncan Smith | 539 c877 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Andy Slaughter | 539 c877 (Link to this contribution) More than 1,000 households in my borough will be affected, as in that of the hon. Member for Cities ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c877 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is simply out of touch with the reality of what is happening in ...
Mark Reckless | 539 c876 (Link to this contribution) The whole House will welcome these transitional provisions. In my constituency, many people get up a...
Lord Grayling | 539 c877 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. As I have said, we have to seek to replicate the realities of wo...
Mark Field | 539 c879 (Link to this contribution) In constructing a regional cap, will the right hon. Gentleman ensure that no more money is expended ...
Liam Byrne | 539 c879 (Link to this contribution) I will come to the localisation of the benefit system, which, as the hon. Gentleman will know, we ha...
Karen Buck | 539 c879-80 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend help those Government Members to understand one simple fact: that housing ...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 539 c880 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Liam Byrne | 539 c880 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend did an extraordinary job of deconstructing the Bill as it went through Committee, and...
Lord Grayling | 539 c880 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Liam Byrne | 539 c881 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has highlighted a problem with which we are confronted in London and elsewhere. It wa...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 539 c881 (Link to this contribution) Has the shadow Minister not just illustrated that this is a Greater London-centric issue, given that...
Liam Byrne | 539 c880-1 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a moment. Let us just see what that scenario looks like in London. The House of ...
Barry Gardiner | 539 c881 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Does he recall that, when the housing benefit cappin...
Jenny Willott | 539 c936 (Link to this contribution) I will not I am afraid. This group of amendments is very varied and we have had a wide debate this ...
Speaker | 539 c937 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Lady, but I did ask Members of Parliament who wish to have p...
Yvonne Fovargue | 539 c936-7 (Link to this contribution) I, too, would like to address the issue of under-occupancy and say that the concerns of my local hou...
Jeremy Lefroy | 539 c937 (Link to this contribution) Briefly, I want to make three points about under-occupancy and disabled people. First, I welcome the...
Yvonne Fovargue | 539 c937 (Link to this contribution) During that time, 35% of those involved are likely to end up in arrears. That is 2,540 residents, an...
Maria Miller | 539 c937 (Link to this contribution) I can reassure my hon. Friend that if a disabled person has the need for an overnight carer, additio...
Jeremy Lefroy | 539 c937-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reassurance. On my second point, as hon. and right hon. Members know, ...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 539 c938 (Link to this contribution) If ever a piece of legislation was to demonise and penalise people who live in the social rented sec...
Speaker | 539 c951-2 (Link to this contribution) I now have to announce the results of Divisions deferred from a previous day. On the motion relating...
Jenny Willott | 539 c935 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way. Another concern is that it will take a while to move people and for acc...
Jenny Willott | 539 c934-5 (Link to this contribution) I want to speak quickly on under-occupancy and the Child Support Agency. The main concern on the Li...
Kate Green | 539 c934 (Link to this contribution) The point is that a system is being established whereby the parent with care must access the system....
Maria Miller | 539 c934 (Link to this contribution) How does the hon. Lady suggest that the agency should decide which parent stood in the way of an agr...
Kate Green | 539 c933-4 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a point on child support, and a point on the Child Poverty Act 2010 and the change th...
Lord Lilley | 539 c933 (Link to this contribution) I will let the hon. Lady make her own points in due course. We may reach our own judgments on who is...
Maria Miller | 539 c935 (Link to this contribution) I just want to reassure my hon. Friend on a couple of points. First, we intend to commission an inde...
Jenny Willott | 539 c936 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that useful information, which answers in part some of the questions I was ...
Speaker | 539 c935 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am having some difficulty in hearing the hon. Lady because of all the private conversations...
Jenny Willott | 539 c935 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Will the Minister look at what an appropriate time frame would be ...
Lord Watts | 539 c932 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Watts | 539 c932 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. How are people supposed to downsize when such properties do not exist? Is it not a d...
Malcolm Wicks | 539 c931 (Link to this contribution) In general, it is the mothers of Britain—sometimes it is the fathers with care, but it is generally ...
Maria Miller | 539 c931 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for allowing me to answer his question. Fees and charges have been ...
Lord Lilley | 539 c931 (Link to this contribution) Members will have an opportunity to make their points later in the debate. I am merely saying that i...
Lord Lilley | 539 c931 (Link to this contribution) I support my hon. Friend the Minister on the issue of the Child Support Agency, but I want to make a...
David Nuttall | 539 c932 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Kate Green | 539 c932 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Maria Miller | 539 c915 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her question. Of course, we are all very quizzical about the CSA when it ...
Maria Miller | 539 c914 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her helpful support. It is really important that the up-front charge does ...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 539 c914 (Link to this contribution) We would acknowledge that reducing the amount of money that must be paid up front by the applicant i...
Maria Miller | 539 c914 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, because she brings with her a wealth of experience of ...
Helen Grant | 539 c914 (Link to this contribution) I was a legal aid family lawyer for 23 years before being elected to this place, and I had the oppor...
Maria Miller | 539 c914 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a moment. The implication of the amendment is that we should say yes to that, but...
Maria Miller | 539 c915 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her support. The key is that we must ensure that we encourage both parent...
Lord Watts | 539 c915 (Link to this contribution) I am still not absolutely sure what the enforcement action that will drive some parents to pay will ...
Claire O'Neill | 539 c915 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is being most gracious in giving way. I wish to help underpin her point. As MPs we al...
Maria Miller | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right that the inflexibility in the system does not reflect true family life. Ever...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is absolutely right about the need for collaboration-based arrangements. To respond to ...
Maria Miller | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for those kind words. It is important that we have a solution that we fee...
Ian Jnr Paisley | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) It would be churlish to not recognise that the Government have listened, because a £100 access fee w...
Amber Rudd | 539 c912 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify that the gateway for access by parents will be £20 each and not, as was pr...
Maria Miller | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady and I know that it is very difficult for us to sit in judgment over parents. Family br...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, any change of heart is welcome—I do not think we would not welcome this—but there is some...
Maria Miller | 539 c913 (Link to this contribution) May I address the amendment directly? The Government accept that Lord Mackay had the very best of in...
Maria Miller | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Argyll and Bute (Mr Reid).
Maria Miller | 539 c917-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for that intervention. Again, I understand the thoughtful comments that have b...
Baroness Hoey | 539 c917 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister like to visit one or two people who I know in my constituency? It is only across ...
Maria Miller | 539 c917 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Vauxhall (Kate Hoey).
Maria Miller | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend and I have spoken about these matters and I understand the very individual problems t...
Alan Reid | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) In many islands or remote villages, there is simply no alternative accommodation; the turnover of so...
Maria Miller | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Aberconwy (Guto Bebb).
Claire O'Neill | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) About a third of my constituency casework is made up of Child Support Agency cases, but another thir...
Maria Miller | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely; my hon. Friend makes a clear point and an important contribution to the debate.
Guto Bebb | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) This issue has been of real concern to me. In a recent letter that I received, Community Housing Wal...
Maria Miller | 539 c918 (Link to this contribution) It is important that that part of the debate is recognised by the House. For every family in a situa...
Sarah Newton | 539 c915-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is generous in taking so many interventions. My understanding is that each CSA case c...
Maria Miller | 539 c915 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman and I know that self-employed people, although a small number of individuals, are...
Maria Miller | 539 c916 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend cites those figures accurately, and the savings throughout this spending review perio...
Maria Miller | 539 c916 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady forgive me if I close on child support now? We know that we have to get parents ...
Maria Miller | 539 c916 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Lady will forgive me, I want to turn to the housing measures in order to ensure that oth...
John Leech | 539 c916 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister not accept that in many areas there is no alternative social rented accommodation ...
Maria Miller | 539 c916-7 (Link to this contribution) I know that my hon. Friend takes a great deal of interest in that issue, as indeed do many other hon...
Simon Hughes | 539 c917 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister's understanding, and, as somebody who represents more people in socia...
Maria Miller | 539 c917 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for that intervention; I understand the feeling with which he delivered...
Anne McGuire | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) That the proposals are unfair and are an attempt to disadvantage those who are already disadvantaged...
Anne McGuire | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) I will certainly not give way at the moment. My hon. Friend the Member for Westminster North asked ...
Anne McGuire | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) Since the Minister did not afford my hon. Friend much opportunity, I will give way to him.
Frank Roy | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend. What would she say to the 55-year-old man I met on Saturday, who has l...
Anne McGuire | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) I will take one from my hon. Friend.
Andrew Gwynne | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Anne McGuire | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) No, I am not going to take an intervention from the hon. Lady just now.
Claire O'Neill | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Anne McGuire | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) I want to make a little progress, and I also intend to leave some time for other Members to contribu...
Anne McGuire | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) Frankly, I do not think the Government know how. The DCLG and local authorities certainly do not kno...
Karen Buck | 539 c921 (Link to this contribution) We know from the Government's own impact assessment that under-occupation is a problem particularly,...
Derek Twigg | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) The chief executive of Halton Housing Trust has written to me. He states:"““Based on existing turnov...
Maria Miller | 539 c919 (Link to this contribution) If hon. Members will forgive me, I will make a little progress, because I know that many people want...
Maria Miller | 539 c919 (Link to this contribution) If I am allowed to make some progress, I will perhaps answer some of the questions that hon. Members...
Speaker | 539 c919 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is clear that at the moment, the Minister is not giving way. It is for her to decide wheth...
Speaker | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has finished her remarks. We are grateful to her.
Frank Roy | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Anne McGuire | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) I will not follow the same order as the Minister. I will deal first with under-occupancy, because ra...
Speaker | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) It is not entirely clear to whom the Minister is giving way.
Andrew Gwynne | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) Does not what we have heard highlight the Conservative party's misunderstanding of how social housin...
Claire O'Neill | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. On a point of clarification, I thought I heard the right hon. Lady say that Memb...
Anne McGuire | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) Oh, to put the hon. Lady out of her misery, I give way.
Bob Russell | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Lady agree that successive Labour and Conservative Governments—[Interruption.]
Anne McGuire | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has a philosophical misunderstanding about people's homes and houses. My mother lived ...
Claire O'Neill | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) I apologise profusely, Mr Speaker.
Bob Russell | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) Successive Labour and Conservative Governments from 1945 to 1980 built a massive supply of family co...
Speaker | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I call Sir Bob Russell.
Lord Watts | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend encourage people to consider judicial review, because they are being asked...
Anne McGuire | 539 c923-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very good point and no doubt he will pursue it outside this House. Before I ...
Speaker | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) Order. This really is an abuse. It is a novelty, in my experience, for a Minister to intervene from ...
Anne McGuire | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) I listened to what the hon. Lady said, but she has obviously had no experience of trying to arrange ...
Anne McGuire | 539 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady definitely is not getting in—certainly not at the moment. The hon. Member for Argyll ...
Eilidh Whiteford | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes an extremely important point. This problem is not isolated to Argyll and other i...
Maria Miller | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Lady. It is very gracious of her to give way so that I can clarify matters. S...
Anne McGuire | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a valid point.
Maria Miller | 539 c923 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Anne McGuire | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) I have not really said anything about the CSA yet, so if the hon. Lady could just be patient—
Speaker | 539 c924-5 (Link to this contribution) Order. Let me just make it clear. It is obvious that the shadow Minister is not giving way at the mo...
Mark Durkan | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) As well as the socially disastrous consequences that my right hon. Friend has mentioned, does she re...
Anne McGuire | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has highlighted exactly why this particular proposal has been ill thought-out.
Anna Soubry | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Anne McGuire | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) No, I do not want to take up as much time as the Minister. I shall move on to the Child Support Agen...
Anna Soubry | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Anne McGuire | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) I have made it perfectly clear that I am not giving way: I am moving on to the subject of the CSA. ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way at the moment—
Andrew Percy | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) I am quite relieved that the Minister did not give us an estimate of the costs, because most Governm...
Yvonne Fovargue | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) I accept the hon. Gentleman's welcome of the reduction in the charge, but does he agree that the pro...
Andrew Percy | 539 c927 (Link to this contribution) I notice that the shadow Minister commented on how she felt the Minister had performed. I would desc...
Mark Lazarowicz | 539 c927 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the Minister was unable to give us any indication of the cost of...
Speaker | 539 c925 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is asking me to speculate about a hypothetical. We could probably have a seminar about...
Anne McGuire | 539 c925-7 (Link to this contribution) I always hate to disappoint Tories, Mr Speaker. The Minister mentioned some concessions, but it rem...
Anne McGuire | 539 c925 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for your wise words, Mr Speaker. We welcome the reduction that the Minister announced tod...
Anna Soubry | 539 c925 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Could you help me? If a Member asks a question of the whole House, ...
Malcolm Wicks | 539 c929-31 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Brigg and Goole (Andrew Percy), and I shall echo some...
Andrew Percy | 539 c929 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that that is really the strongest argument to plead in aid of change. These are peopl...
Sarah Newton | 539 c929 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to say that houses are also people's homes. Does he acknowledge, however, th...
Andrew Percy | 539 c928-9 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way at the moment, as I want to say a little something about under-occupancy, and a ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c929 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way; I want to finish in a moment. When I was a councillor, a lady came to see me. ...
Andrew Percy | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend, as she was denied earlier.
Anna Soubry | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who is as gracious as ever. There is much merit in what he says abo...
Andrew Percy | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) We all want to achieve a service that is fit for purpose, but I am not sure that the charge is about...
Lord Watts | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Yvonne Fovargue | 539 c839 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the measure will have an impact on young people's ability to fo...
Lord Grayling | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) If someone is living independently, they will be entitled to income-based ESA.
Speaker | 539 c826 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to consider the following: Lords amendment 17, and Government motio...
Jane Ellison | 539 c895 (Link to this contribution) Like my hon. Friend, I welcome the Government's announcement on transitional arrangements, which is ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c855 (Link to this contribution) It is important that the House understands the facts. Somebody who is diagnosed with cancer who goes...
Mark Field | 539 c874-5 (Link to this contribution) I agree with where the Minister is coming from, but he should not doubt the sincerity of many London...
Liam Byrne | 539 c880 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. We are grateful to the Children's Society for telling us that about half the families ...
Lord Lilley | 539 c932 (Link to this contribution) What I am saying is that in my constituency I encounter people who have no spare room but want one, ...
Lord Lilley | 539 c932 (Link to this contribution) I will not, if my hon. Friend will forgive me. I am also reluctant to take issue with the Lords unn...
Pauline Latham | 539 c914 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the fact that the cost for the applicant has come down, but will the Minister explai...
Maria Miller | 539 c919 (Link to this contribution) I reassure you, Mr Speaker, that I will make the rest of my contribution very brief indeed. The ave...
Anne McGuire | 539 c922 (Link to this contribution) I would not disagree with the hon. Gentleman. Housing was built in the 1940s and '50s to deal with t...
Anna Soubry | 539 c924 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Andrew Percy | 539 c928 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly where I am coming from on this issue; I agree with the hon. Lady. In closing my com...
Richard Graham | 539 c898-9 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady makes a perfectly valid point. Some workers receive benefits, but I do not belie...
Philip Davies | 539 c898 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and I endorse his figures. Given the scaremongering that we have...
Jenny Willott | 539 c895 (Link to this contribution) Many living in London have been told that they are going to be made homeless and that everybody on b...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c890-1 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend does not mind, I am going to be brief. On the insurance principle, those on the T...
Robert Flello | 539 c883 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful speech. In my constituency, as in that of the hon. Member ...
Lord Grayling | 539 c840 (Link to this contribution) Once someone becomes an adult, they count as living independently.
Anne Begg | 539 c846 (Link to this contribution) The household might possibly get housing benefit, but that goes on paying the rent. The young man mi...
Malcolm Wicks | 539 c909 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening carefully to what the Minister has to say. This is complex territory that has ...
Ian Lavery | 539 c855 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly the intention of the Government's proposal, and it is absolutely outrageous. To c...
Joan Ruddock | 539 c871 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister will know perfectly well, families in work are entitled to housing benefit, and appr...
David Winnick | 539 c851 (Link to this contribution) He may well work again, but not at this moment. He writes that when the Welfare Reform Bill becomes ...
Sheila Gilmore | 539 c852 (Link to this contribution) What I find so hard to understand in the argument the hon. Gentleman is presenting is that the very ...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 539 c827 (Link to this contribution) The Minister initially said that the Government are introducing their measures because they need to ...
Maria Miller | 539 c912 (Link to this contribution) It will be £20 for the applicant only, because we want to make sure that the system is easy and stra...
Maria Miller | 539 c920 (Link to this contribution) That is why we are already working with local authorities to ensure that they are well prepared for ...
Subjects
Disability living allowance
Jobseeker's allowance
Income support
Pension credit
Social security benefits
Social Fund
Welfare tax credits
Reform
Welfare state
Maternity payments
Employment and support allowance
Personal independence payment
Universal credit
Legislation
Welfare Reform Bill 2010-12
Link
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