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Crime and Policing

Opposition day on Wednesday, 8 September 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Alan Johnson. The answering member was Baroness May of Maidenhead.
Fourth opposition day debate. Main question negatived on division (232 to 327). Amendment agreed to on division (324 to 230). Main question, as amended, agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
515 c343-434, (corrigendum) 576;515 c343-434 
Session
2010-12
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 515 c365 (Link to this contribution) As hon. Members will see, there is a 10-minute limit on speeches and the usual rules apply as far as...
Speaker | 515 c401 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before I call the next speaker, I will extend the amount of time for speeches to 13 minutes.

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Alan Johnson | 515 c343-4 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House notes with concern the Government's failure to prioritise the safety ...
Speaker | 515 c343 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that Mr Speaker has selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.
Alan Johnson | 515 c344-5 (Link to this contribution) I knew that that one would be on the crib sheet. Of course it was right to say honestly to the publi...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 515 c344 (Link to this contribution) On that issue, I have read the wording of the motion carefully, in which Her Majesty's loyal Opposit...
Toby Perkins | 515 c346 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful point about the contribution of the Liberal Democrats. Man...
Alan Johnson | 515 c345-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for that question. I do not think that the collegiate approach in this ...
Keith Vaz | 515 c345 (Link to this contribution) I assure my right hon. Friend that I thought of this question myself. On Monday I met with the chief...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c347 (Link to this contribution) Before the right hon. Gentleman moves on to other matters, may I tell him that I have been listening...
Alan Johnson | 515 c347 (Link to this contribution) That is certainly an issue, particularly in the light of the HMIC-Audit Commission's joint report. W...
Geraint Davies | 515 c347 (Link to this contribution) Was my right hon. Friend concerned about yesterday's announcement of the abolition of the Audit Comm...
Alan Johnson | 515 c346-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an interesting point. During the general election, the Conservatives and Labour...
Alan Johnson | 515 c348-9 (Link to this contribution) It is great to hear Conservative Members accepting that crime has fallen, as they spent so long danc...
Alan Johnson | 515 c347-8 (Link to this contribution) When we were in government, we decided to pick the priority Departments, and the chosen areas were h...
Damian Green | 515 c351 (Link to this contribution) There is not a shred of evidence for that.
Alan Johnson | 515 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is in the Home Office now. He can seek the evidence. It comes from ACPO's research, and...
Gerald Kaufman | 515 c350 (Link to this contribution) Following the irrelevant drivel that we have just heard in the previous intervention, is my right ho...
Geraint Davies | 515 c350 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way again?
Alan Johnson | 515 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) No, not again, if my hon. Friend does not mind; I have already given way once to him. On DNA, the H...
Hazel Blears | 515 c349 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is providing us with an excellent list of the range of powers available to deal...
Alan Johnson | 515 c349-50 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, who did a great deal during her time at the Home Office to pu...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 515 c350 (Link to this contribution) If the ASBO was such an excellent policy, will the shadow Home Secretary please explain why the chie...
Alan Johnson | 515 c350 (Link to this contribution) There it is, this is another ““big society”” argument—or ““do it yourself””: there will not be any P...
Alan Johnson | 515 c356-7 (Link to this contribution) I think that is absolutely right, and on this there is no difference between the Front Benchers. The...
Alan Johnson | 515 c355-6 (Link to this contribution) This is a very different issue from that of elected mayors, because they have a broad remit. We intr...
Caroline Flint | 515 c356 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend share my concern that one of the problems with having elected police commi...
Alan Johnson | 515 c353-5 (Link to this contribution) The answer is quite simple. The Home Secretary ought to do some research. From 1998 onwards we did n...
Robert Halfon | 515 c355 (Link to this contribution) If it is okay to elect a Prime Minister and local councillors, why is it so wrong to give a local co...
Alan Johnson | 515 c353 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way again. It was tedious last time, and it would be tedious again. If the Gover...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c353 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. Domestic violence is an issue that should worry Member...
Alan Johnson | 515 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) Well, that went on a bit. I am perfectly well aware of what kind of CCTV caught the cat in the bin....
Anna Soubry | 515 c353 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Anna Soubry | 515 c352 (Link to this contribution) First, the episode of the cat in the bin was filmed not by state-controlled CCTV, but by CCTV that b...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) Wait a moment. That is a shame, because there are occasions when the shadow Home Secretary stops pla...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c359 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the support that he is, obviously, going to be giving to those measures when they are intr...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c357-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from ““House”” to the end of the Question and add:"““notes ...
Alan Johnson | 515 c358 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady really does need to follow the debate and to read the documents. Some £75 millio...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c358 (Link to this contribution) I say to the shadow Home Secretary that the intervention that he has just made was not the answer gi...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c359-60 (Link to this contribution) I say to the shadow Home Secretary that I am deeply disappointed in what he is saying. I will tell h...
Siobhain McDonagh | 515 c360 (Link to this contribution) Could the right hon. Lady tell us how many of those victims would support her suggestion to get rid ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c360 (Link to this contribution) Once again, the trouble with the Labour party is that it is making up things about what our policy i...
Alan Johnson | 515 c360-1 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary confirm that the figure, which is in the White Paper, comes from the interna...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c361 (Link to this contribution) What I will confirm is that yet again, in this debate, we have seen from those who made up the Labou...
Hazel Blears | 515 c361 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady is right that there is always more to do in tackling crime. The Labour party has...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c359 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Home Secretary listens selectively to one or two of the things that we say; I have just m...
Alan Johnson | 515 c359 (Link to this contribution) I shall say two things on this. Those on the Government Benches are deriding Michael Howard so, firs...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c359 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Home Secretary says that that is not true. I remind him that that figure comes from the v...
Graham Stuart | 515 c371 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady knows that earlier this year the shadow Home Secretary talked about making 20%-plus cu...
Siobhain McDonagh | 515 c370-1 (Link to this contribution) I should like to contribute to this debate from the point of view of my constituents and the needs o...
Aidan Burley | 515 c370 (Link to this contribution) That is an entirely fair point, and I agree, but the focus of this debate and of my speech is on pol...
Aidan Burley | 515 c367-8 (Link to this contribution) I should start with a declaration of interest in that not a single word of my speech has come from t...
Siobhain McDonagh | 515 c368 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to follow the hon. Gentleman's argument closely. We all accept that the service is not p...
Gerald Kaufman | 515 c367 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady shakes her head, but neither she nor I can provide statistics for next year or t...
Aidan Burley | 515 c369 (Link to this contribution) I think the police should spend their resources on fighting crime. Communication will follow if they...
Hazel Blears | 515 c369 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making some interesting points about efficiency and productivity, but does he ...
Aidan Burley | 515 c368-9 (Link to this contribution) I think better outputs are possible with fewer officers if they are better directed and not spending...
Caroline Flint | 515 c369 (Link to this contribution) When police forces were inspected for outcomes, often, in terms of reducing crime, they were doing w...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 515 c378-9 (Link to this contribution) The key point that the hon. Gentleman, for whom I have great respect, must concede is this: if we ar...
Steve McCabe | 515 c378 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is very kind about my constituency. It is true that Labour set out cuts, but sinc...
Siobhain McDonagh | 515 c371-2 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Home Secretary has already identified this afternoon where the cuts would be made in the ...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 515 c372 (Link to this contribution) In that typical way of new Labour in government, however, did not safer neighbourhood policing panel...
Siobhain McDonagh | 515 c372-3 (Link to this contribution) Can I absolutely oppose what the hon. Gentleman says, accept that safer neighbourhood teams were per...
Tom Brake | 515 c373-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Mitcham and Morden (Siobhain McDonagh), from my neigh...
Keith Vaz | 515 c375-7 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Carshalton and Wallington (Tom Brake), who for...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 515 c377-8 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Leicester East (Keith Vaz) who spoke wit...
Steve McCabe | 515 c378 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 515 c378 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Selly Oak, not Birmingham, Hall Green.
Robert Buckland | 515 c364 (Link to this contribution) One of the main problems encountered by those dealing with ASBOs has been the inordinate length of t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) I recognise the right hon. Gentleman's concerns. He makes particular reference to his constituency, ...
David Lammy | 515 c363 (Link to this contribution) On that point, my recollection is—I think that the shadow Home Secretary said this in his contributi...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c362-3 (Link to this contribution) We obviously look forward to the results of the further work that Jan Berry has been doing in this a...
Keith Vaz | 515 c362 (Link to this contribution) Of course, we welcome the steps taken by the Home Secretary to reduce bureaucracy, but the previous ...
Brian Binley | 515 c361 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will be aware that Northamptonshire people have little to thank the previous Go...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c362 (Link to this contribution) Either I or the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice would be very happy to meet delegations o...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c361 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way at the moment. That is why we want to restore that connection between the p...
Graham Stuart | 515 c366 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Gerald Kaufman | 515 c365-6 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for calling me at this point in the debate. I have to ...
Gerald Kaufman | 515 c366-7 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the hon. Gentleman will give me a moment, but if I have time, I shall certainly give way...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c364 (Link to this contribution) Oh, the hon. Gentleman has been bobbing up and down all afternoon, so I will give way to him.
Geraint Davies | 515 c364 (Link to this contribution) It is very generous of the right hon. Lady to see me. I could not sit any closer; I have been doing ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c364-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should not try to second-guess what may or may not be in the sentencing review th...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c364 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very strong point about the panoply of ASBO powers that are available. The im...
Geraint Davies | 515 c364 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Lord Evans of Rainow | 515 c399-400 (Link to this contribution) New police officers have a two-year probation period, during which they have to prove themselves to ...
Anna Soubry | 515 c398-9 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. Gentleman and, in due course, I will touch on my hopes for a much improv...
Anna Soubry | 515 c400-1 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. That concerns me. I had a case in my constituency involving somebody whom I thought had ...
Robert Buckland | 515 c403 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman, in making his point attractively, risks missing the point of the scenarios he ha...
Toby Perkins | 515 c401-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I would be happy to let the hon. Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry) int...
Toby Perkins | 515 c403-5 (Link to this contribution) I would have thought that the hon. Gentleman could understand the basic point I am making—that the p...
Caroline Flint | 515 c395-7 (Link to this contribution) I open by saying that I agreed with much of the contribution of the hon. Member for Weaver Vale (Gra...
David Lammy | 515 c398 (Link to this contribution) I respect the manner in which the hon. Lady makes her remarks, but will she acknowledge that my rema...
Anna Soubry | 515 c398 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Don Valley (Caroline Flint) and if I may return...
Steve McCabe | 515 c408 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is very quick off the mark, but why not?
Steve McCabe | 515 c407-8 (Link to this contribution) I am in favour of volunteers, but not as a substitute for the real thing—that is the danger of the p...
Robert Halfon | 515 c407 (Link to this contribution) I am saying completely the opposite. I am saying that for the special constables we should create a ...
Steve McCabe | 515 c408-11 (Link to this contribution) I am saying exactly that. I would not prioritise those two things above basic safety and security. ...
Gordon Birtwistle | 515 c408 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that he would cut the spending on health and international development ...
Karl Turner | 515 c407 (Link to this contribution) I might be wrong, but the hon. Gentleman seems to be suggesting that police offers go from being pai...
Robert Halfon | 515 c407 (Link to this contribution) Yes, entirely, and I would like community support officers to have the chance to become specials. T...
Guy Opperman | 515 c407 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that there is scope to widen the training and opportunities available to t...
Robert Halfon | 515 c405-7 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Chesterfield (Toby Perkins) on what was, as always, a sometimes p...
Toby Perkins | 515 c383 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is presenting an interesting theory, which I do not think I have heard before. Wh...
Mike Crockart | 515 c383 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to speak on a subject that is so close to my heart, as I served fo...
Hazel Blears | 515 c385-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to contribute to this debate addressing issues that affect every one of our communi...
Mike Crockart | 515 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) It was a policy with which I did not necessarily always agree. I have argued long and hard—Members w...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 515 c379-80 (Link to this contribution) There is not a scrap of empirical or academic evidence to support the hon. Gentleman's views at the ...
David Lammy | 515 c382 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. I ask the Minister for Policing and Criminal Justice to think very carefully over t...
Guy Opperman | 515 c382 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Karl Turner | 515 c379 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Gentleman kindly accept that between 1997 and 2010, crime fell by 43%? The coalition ...
Lord Evans of Rainow | 515 c394-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend's contribution. If we keep on arresting and dealing with the same ...
Neil Carmichael | 515 c394 (Link to this contribution) Of course we must keep our eye on the public sector deficit, but I hope that my hon. Friend will joi...
Lord Evans of Rainow | 515 c393-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that interruption. They went on to talk about backroom staff and how ...
Toby Perkins | 515 c393 (Link to this contribution) I am fascinated by the hon. Gentleman's conversation, because I am sure that many Members have met t...
Lord Evans of Rainow | 515 c393 (Link to this contribution) I have spent a lot of time in my constituency since being elected three or four months ago, and duri...
Chris Evans | 515 c392-3 (Link to this contribution) On the question of accountability, the point that I am driving at is that we will be electing a poli...
Robert Halfon | 515 c392 (Link to this contribution) What the hon. Gentleman says is somewhat surprising to me. Surely, by his logic, any election could ...
Chris Evans | 515 c391-2 (Link to this contribution) If local people in Islwyn and others throughout the country were to draw up a wish list, I am sure t...
Brandon Lewis | 515 c388-91 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the opportunity to speak in this debate because before the general election earlier thi...
Tom Blenkinsop | 515 c412 (Link to this contribution) If that point is juxtaposed with the other part of the Government's plan to have democratically elec...
Robert Buckland | 515 c412 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, there will be a distinction between police commissioners getting involved in day-to-day o...
Tom Blenkinsop | 515 c412 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Robert Buckland | 515 c412-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way at this point, because I need to develop this point. I am delighted that in pla...
Robert Buckland | 515 c411-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to address the House. I hope that I shall not use my full allocati...
Guy Opperman | 515 c415-6 (Link to this contribution) I disagree totally, because we are tackling the deficit earlier and will not have the problems that ...
Robert Buckland | 515 c413-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way at this point, because I have only four minutes left, and the couple of points ...
Heidi Alexander | 515 c414-5 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to participate in this debate, but I was struck by the absence of discussion of a pa...
Guy Opperman | 515 c415 (Link to this contribution) At the heart of this debate is a single issue: what would we all cut? How would we all approach the ...
Toby Perkins | 515 c415 (Link to this contribution) Seeing as the hon. Gentleman has set up his contribution based on the economy, he might choose to re...
Chi Onwurah | 515 c416-7 (Link to this contribution) The ability—indeed, the right—of people to live in security is the most fundamental achievement of s...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 515 c418-21 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate, and the level of interest in crime and policing provision has bee...
Mark Reckless | 515 c417-8 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest in that I spent this morning, as a member of the Kent police authority, workin...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 515 c423 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady has not understood the new world, has she? We want to move beyond targets. We do...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 515 c423 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The shadow Home Secretary said that we should not cut, that we should not make any ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c421 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the shadow Minister for giving me this opportunity to make it absolutely clear that...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 515 c421-2 (Link to this contribution) We must look forward to the fact that two pilot schemes are being held back when they could have bee...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 515 c422-3 (Link to this contribution) Let us start with what is agreed on both sides of the House. We agree about the importance of tackli...
Hazel Blears | 515 c423 (Link to this contribution) The HMIC figure of 11% of officers being available on patrol has been much discussed today. What is ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 515 c423 (Link to this contribution) No. How, then, can we take seriously the shadow Home Secretary's contention that he would have cut ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 515 c423 (Link to this contribution) No. Just a few weeks ago, we know that Labour Members voted against a reduction in police spending,...
Speaker | 515 c426 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
Alan Johnson | 515 c424 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. It will give him a chance to get his breath back. I have said ...
Lord Herbert of South Downs | 515 c424-6 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman says that he would have protected police spending. So which budget would he...
Christopher Pincher | 515 c348 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman cites statistics. Forensic Pathways, an organisation in my constituency, ha...
Alan Johnson | 515 c350 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I agree. As I mentioned, ASBOs are the most serious of the range of measures to combat antisoci...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 515 c361 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed in the line that the right hon. Lady has taken. She made an important and valid po...
David Lammy | 515 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) I want to concentrate on those constituencies that have suffered from high crime rates over differen...
Anna Soubry | 515 c387 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady will know that I said that I want fewer CCTV cameras. That should be the aim of ...
Hazel Blears | 515 c387-8 (Link to this contribution) Well, I wish the hon. Lady the best of British luck when she goes to her constituents and says, ““We...
Notes
Daily part printing error - correction to division list on 9/9/2010 at 515 c576.
Subjects
Databases
CCTV
Crime prevention
Criminal investigation
Crime
Cost effectiveness
Bureaucracy
Finance
Genetics
Home Office
Police
Police community support officers
Anti-social behaviour orders
Cuts
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