Parliamentary search - Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill

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Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 42-EN also published.
Wednesday, 6 May 2009
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Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c275-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, our names are not attached to these amendments or to the clause stand part, but we have a ...

Baroness Hayman | 713 c275 (Link to this contribution) Because this is a clause stand part debate, we have no Motion to move and it is for any noble Lord t...

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Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c279 (Link to this contribution) I have two further questions. The Minister mentioned just now that the SFA was going to be overseen ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c276-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, many questions have been raised in today’s debate. I have been struck by how much common g...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c274-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is one in a series of probing amendments designed to elicit from the Minister the rea...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c274 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 169 169: Clause 75, page 51, line 3, at end insert— "( ) But Academy functions do not inc...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c279-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my apologies for speaking not to the noble Baroness’s amendment but to the clause stand pa...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c280 (Link to this contribution) It was about the letter that the noble Lord, Lord Mandelson, sent to Jim Brathwaite at SEEDA, which ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c280 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for reminding me. We anticipate that the RDAs will lead in identifying de...

Lord Elton | 713 c273 (Link to this contribution) I put the question in quite a different light. It concerns not different classes of provision, but d...

Lord Lucas | 713 c273 (Link to this contribution) Clause 73: Directions by Secretary of State Debate on whether Clause 73 should stand part of the Bi...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c272 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for being prepared to take away this first batch of amendments. It is ...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c272 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to be helpful. I shall speak about directions several times in subsequent amendments. Di...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c271-2 (Link to this contribution) Apart from the worrying change of gender that I achieved during that contribution, I never felt a th...

Lord Lucas | 713 c274 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at least we are closer to a starting point. The Minister says that classes of college can ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c273-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the clause gives the Secretary of State powers to direct the YPLA. He may give the YPLA di...

Lord Elton | 713 c274 (Link to this contribution) What the noble Lord has said agrees exactly with what is in the Explanatory Notes, but it does not s...

Lord Lucas | 713 c273 (Link to this contribution) But, my Lords, I think that paragraph 59 of the notes covers the corporate as well as the individual...

Lord Elton | 713 c273 (Link to this contribution) It could do.

Lord Lucas | 713 c267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when Hansard comes out tomorrow, I shall cut out the speech made by the noble Baroness, La...

Lord Elton | 713 c267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we get into the general debate, it was not just Gosplan that had a system like that...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 713 c267-8 (Link to this contribution) It is rather difficult to follow those four speeches. It has been an interesting journey through the...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I will come back to Amendments 156, 157 and 158. I strongly support what the nobl...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 713 c268 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I particularly support Amendment 160, although the other amendments reinforce the consider...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c268-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have enjoyed the journey through history. The YPLA was gaining in powers as the de...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c270 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply, but, if I may say so, in both cases he misses the poin...

Lord Elton | 713 c270 (Link to this contribution) If the Government are minded to have a right of appeal, why do they object to putting it in the Bill...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c271 (Link to this contribution) I regret that the noble Baroness felt that my answer was totally inadequate, but I believe that it a...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 713 c271 (Link to this contribution) I am finding it very difficult to understand the Minister’s argument. Amendment 156 merely rewrites ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c259-63 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am delighted to respond to an extremely important debate. With the Committee’s forgivene...

Lord Elton | 713 c259 (Link to this contribution) Just to put shiny new schools in perspective, it is important to remember that what actually deliver...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c258-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we are concentrating in these amendments on the technical arrangements—indeed, this p...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c263 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that the noble Baroness said that it was on the face of the Bill in the form of an...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c263 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am trying to be extremely helpful and accommodating. I am sure that the work that we wil...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c263 (Link to this contribution) May I ask just one question? How can it be right to say that the YPLA will be the chosen agency for ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c263 (Link to this contribution) I think it is in the Bill. The concern that noble Lords are voicing is that academies and academy sp...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c264-7 (Link to this contribution) I move Amendment 156 and speak to Amendments 157, 158, 159 and 160. There are, so to speak, two sepa...

Baroness Verma | 713 c263-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. The noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, obviously suppor...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c264 (Link to this contribution) Clause 65: Intervention for purpose of securing provision of education and training Amendment 156 ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c311-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, taken together, Amendments 190, 191 and 192 would mean that all training costs for adult a...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c312 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. There is an anomaly in that at the moment we have a large numbe...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c311 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 5: Learning aims for persons aged 19 or over Amendment 190 190: Schedule 5, page 175, lin...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c311 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I laid this amendment on behalf of the roofing contractors and the Alliance of Sector Skil...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c309-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this Government have made a record level of investment in education and training, but publ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c310 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his reply. I have to admit that, in laying Amendments 186 and 187,...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c307-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a probing amendment in this group on Clause 87 that may go some way to adding to th...

Lord Lucas | 713 c308-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thoroughly agree with my noble friend’s last speech. It seems to me that the noble Lords...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c313 (Link to this contribution) Clause 86: Learning aims for persons aged 19 or over: payment of tuition fees Amendment 196 196: C...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c300 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 175A 175A: Clause 81, page 54, line 30, at end insert— "( ) The Chief Executive must have...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c300-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be as brief as I can on Amendment 175A, as its intention is pretty clear. The Bill ...

Lord Rix | 713 c301 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 189 stands in my name. However, after the productive discussions that my colleag...

Lord Low of Dalston | 713 c301-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord De Mauley, for his praise of my "ceaseless efforts" even befo...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 713 c302 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. The figures that were read out about the number of those with disabiliti...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c303-4 (Link to this contribution) First, I thank all those who engaged in a dialogue during the Recess to help us to resolve many of t...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c304 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Low, for his contribution. His point about putting informatio...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c305 (Link to this contribution) Clause 84: Education and training for persons aged 19 or over and others subject to adult detention ...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c306-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, to be brief I will address only our Amendment 188A, which has been tabled in response to a...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c305-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this amendment, I shall speak also to Amendment 187. We now move on to education...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c281 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is another probing amendment which will raise questions for clarification. It is, as ...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c281 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Eccles for his characteristically detailed scrutiny of the Bi...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c280 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 170 170: Schedule 4, page 175, line 3, leave out "and other management of and administrat...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c282-3 (Link to this contribution) I will not prolong this short debate except to say that two big clauses, Clauses 116 and 117, deal w...

Lord Elton | 713 c283 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may—

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c281-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 170 would have the effect of reducing the scope of paragraph 10 of Schedule 4, s...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c282 (Link to this contribution) As a former senior civil servant myself, I find this clause to be very unusual. I cannot imagine any...

Lord Elton | 713 c283 (Link to this contribution) In that case, I just want to put into the Minister’s mind a disturbing thought. My noble friend said...

Baroness Hayman | 713 c283 (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee that I have not yet put the question on withdrawing the amendment, so it...

Viscount Eccles | 713 c283 (Link to this contribution) I have withdrawn the amendment.

Baroness Walmsley | 713 c256-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been extremely helpful to hear what a Conservative Government would do with the aca...

Baroness Verma | 713 c253-6 (Link to this contribution) We now move on to discuss the position of academies within this legislation. As the Bill stands, Cla...

Baroness Verma | 713 c253 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 155B 155B: Clause 64, page 46, line 11, at end insert— "( ) The YPLA may arbitrate and de...

Lord Lucas | 713 c253 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a helpful answer to my questions on subsections (1) and (5) but not to subsection ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c252-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall do my best to respond to the question from the noble Lord, Lord Lucas. This comes ...

Lord Lucas | 713 c252 (Link to this contribution) Clause 63: Prohibition on charging Debate on whether Clause 63 should stand part of the Bill. My ...

Lord Low of Dalston | 713 c251-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords for their support for the amendments in this short debate. I also thank the ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c251 (Link to this contribution) We will reply to the noble Lord in writing.

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c251 (Link to this contribution) That reinforces the point of Amendment 155: that it is important, when the student is in the transit...

Lord Elton | 713 c251 (Link to this contribution) We were told just before the Summer Recess that 7,000 teachers were going to be trained specifically...

Lord Elton | 713 c250 (Link to this contribution) Before he does so, can the Minister tell us a couple of things about what is going on at the moment?...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c249-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Low, and the agencies with whom we have dealt for all ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c250-1 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that those without a learning difficulty assessment are not at a disadvantage. How...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c250 (Link to this contribution) I think I made it clear that they qualify for the additional learner support funding. I do not have...

Lord Low of Dalston | 713 c246-7 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 155 would require the YPLA to establish a quality control framework which includes learner...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 713 c247-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Low, and the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp of G...

Lord Ramsbotham | 713 c247 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, here again is a classic example of where co-operation is needed between ministries. In ear...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c251 (Link to this contribution) I have been told that the report on the annual learner survey will form part of the framework for ex...

Lord Low of Dalston | 713 c246 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 155 155: Clause 61, page 45, line 19, at end insert— "( ) The YPLA must establish a quali...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c242-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I can offer the reassurance that the noble Lords opposite are looking for. As ...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c241-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, earlier I indicated to the Opposition that we were not too happy with this amendment, but ...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 713 c241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have tabled these amendments to draw attention to yet more problems which we see as bei...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 713 c241 (Link to this contribution) Clause 61: Performance assessments Amendment 154 154: Clause 61, page 45, line 19, at end insert— ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 713 c244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, what has been said illustrates the real concerns that everybody has with this Bill. Will t...

Lord Lucas | 713 c244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, would it not be better to have just one body that is responsible for designing these asses...

Lord Elton | 713 c244 (Link to this contribution) I add a grace note to what my noble friend has said with such trenchancy. The children and young adu...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 713 c243-4 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend speaks, I applaud him for moving the amendment. It touches on the grave weakn...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 713 c245-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I think the Minister will be aware, I detect a general view on all sides of the Committ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c244-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with much of what has been said about the detail and complexity of many Bills, not...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c314 (Link to this contribution) While I sympathise with Amendment 196—that is always the prelude to disappointment, is it not?—I bel...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c314-5 (Link to this contribution) What the Minister has just said is very worrying, if it is the case that this Bill for the first tim...

Lord Elton | 713 c314 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a bit more ambitious. The illiterate are debarred from almost every form of progress....

Lord De Mauley | 713 c314 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, while I agreed with the Minister when he said on the previous group that resources are fin...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 713 c313 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the amendment. It is a step in the right direction. I would rather that the...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c313 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Clause 86 refers back to the provisions in Schedule 5. I want to move the debate on from t...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c315 (Link to this contribution) I am advised that there is no age restriction on literacy and numeracy skills. The 19 to 25 age rest...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 713 c315 (Link to this contribution) Unless my officials have misadvised me, I am being told that there is no restriction or age barrier ...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c315 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister could be kind enough to explain the disparity. The schedule refers to, ""a spec...

Lord Elton | 713 c316 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend rightly asked about the difficulty of providing to national standards. The...

Lord Elton | 713 c316 (Link to this contribution) It was not a question: it was a request that at the next stage the Government would consider adding ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c316 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have in my hand a piece of paper which appears to be an explanation about Clause 87, but...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 713 c316 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the noble Lord’s point. When I read the clause it seemed to mean several different thin...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 713 c313 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, from these Benches we support this amendment. The whole purpose of the education is to pro...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 713 c307 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much support these amendments, particularly Amendment 186, which has been well expl...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 713 c247 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is attached to this amendment, along with that of the noble Lord, Lord Low, and I ...

Lord De Mauley | 713 c280 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, for her expression of sympathy for our ce...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 713 c315 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister and to noble Lords, including my own Front Bench, and to the...

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