Parliamentary search - Coroners and Justice Bill

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711 c1463-77, 1490-1533, 1547-70

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2008-09

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Coroners and Justice Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 33-EN also published.
Wednesday, 25 March 2009
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1463 (Link to this contribution) Clause 16: Post-mortem examinations Amendment 41 41: Clause 16, page 9, line 42, after "may" inser...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1463-7 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments concerns the way that post-mortems are conducted, who conducts them and who...

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Lord Bach | 711 c1471-5 (Link to this contribution) I, too, stand amazed at the expertise that we have heard from so far in this debate. I am very grate...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1490 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 47 47: Before Clause 18, insert the following new Clause— "National Medical Adviser to th...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1490-2 (Link to this contribution) We have here a series of amendments tabled to address the proposals by Her Majesty’s Government for ...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 711 c1467-8 (Link to this contribution) A number of crucial principles arise here. In the investigation of an unforeseen or totally unexpect...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c1468-9 (Link to this contribution) I strongly support the sentiments that underlie the interventions of my noble friends Lady Finlay of...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1469-71 (Link to this contribution) I speak in support of the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay of Llandaff, in respect not only of Amendment ...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1471 (Link to this contribution) I rise with considerable trepidation to speak to my two amendments in this group, in view of the cha...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Our amendments, like those of the noble Lord, Lord Alton of Liverpool, seek to place responsibility ...

Lord Colwyn | 711 c1499 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords have stressed the importance of the medical examiners, who will ensure independent scrut...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c1498-9 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments, with the very helpful caveat of the noble Lord, Lord Neill of Bladen. Th...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 711 c1497-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, up to now, those who have spoken have all been experts in the field. It may be a relief to...

Baroness Paisley of St George's | 711 c1500 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. But I want to support the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, and the noble Lord, Lord Alton, o...

Baroness Paisley of St George's | 711 c1499-500 (Link to this contribution) Having neither legal nor medical practices, I hesitate to stand here at all and contribute to this d...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 711 c1496-7 (Link to this contribution) This is an extremely important matter, and it is crucial that we get it right. As my noble friends L...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c1494-6 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Finlay and the noble Lord, Lord Alderdice, have argued persuasively in favour o...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1492-4 (Link to this contribution) I have amendments in this group and I welcome all the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Alderdice; I ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c1506 (Link to this contribution) I support the principles behind the noble Baroness’s amendment. I shall speak also to Amendments 77Z...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1505-6 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his comments in his summing up on the previous group of amend...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1507-9 (Link to this contribution) We believe that Schedule 6 sets out a clear yet flexible structure for paying allowances to jurors, ...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1506-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments 102, 104, 106 and 107 in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Thomas...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1509 (Link to this contribution) It is with some trepidation that I respond on a judgment on a point of law from such a senior person...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c1509 (Link to this contribution) I hope the Minister will not think that I am unduly pernickety, but in reading paragraph 9 of Schedu...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 711 c1503 (Link to this contribution) The licence to practise is being introduced this year. All doctors will now be required, if they wis...

Lord Bach | 711 c1500-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, particularly the noble Lord, Lord Alderdice, for w...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1505 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 63B 63B: After Clause 19, insert the following new Clause— "Indemnity for medical examine...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1503-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister and indeed to other noble Lords for the responses and the arguments th...

Lord Bach | 711 c1532-3 (Link to this contribution) I take the noble Lord’s point, and it will no doubt form part of the discussion we will enjoy betwee...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c1548-9 (Link to this contribution) I support in particular the first of the two amendments, although I support both. It is important th...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1549 (Link to this contribution) I must thank my noble and learned friend Lady Butler-Sloss for the compliment that she paid to my pr...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1548 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 75 I will speak also to Amendments 76 and 77. Amendments 75 and 76 belong togeth...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1553 (Link to this contribution) This is another amendment that owes its inspiration to Dr Brian Iddon, who tabled it in a debate in ...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1553 (Link to this contribution) Clause 24: Provision of staff and accommodation Amendment 77A 77A: Clause 24, page 15, line 10, af...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1551-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response, and the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, and th...

Lord Bach | 711 c1549-51 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 3 provides for a clear structure for the appointment of senior area and assistant coroners....

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1553 (Link to this contribution) This amendment seeks to ensure that coroners’ officers and other staff are available outside normal ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1522 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the Minister’s response. However, I suggest that the Government consider that a duplica...

Lord Bach | 711 c1522-4 (Link to this contribution) Clause 21: Investigations concerning treasure Debate on whether Clause 21 should stand part of the ...

Lord Redesdale | 711 c1524-5 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment 74 standing in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Howarth of Newp...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c1525 (Link to this contribution) I will, first, gently disclaim the Minister conferring on me the honour of being Lord Brooke of Stok...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 711 c1526-7 (Link to this contribution) I hasten to say in reply that I regarded it totally as a compliment. My proposed new clause after C...

Lord Bach | 711 c1526 (Link to this contribution) I apologise profusely to the noble Lord. I have an excuse for saying Stoke Mandeville. I will not te...

Lord Renfrew of Kaimsthorn | 711 c1530-1 (Link to this contribution) First, I strongly support the government amendments, which are admirable. The Government have a very...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 711 c1527-30 (Link to this contribution) I, too, welcome the government amendments in this group that give effect to the Minister’s pledge at...

Lord Redesdale | 711 c1532 (Link to this contribution) This is an issue that was raised in the Dealing in Cultural Objects Act. As the Minister has very ki...

Lord Bach | 711 c1531-2 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the all-party group on its success thus far in persuading us, along with other partie...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c1562 (Link to this contribution) I was moved by the powerful plea of the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay of Llandaff, but I want to speak...

Lord Bach | 711 c1562-5 (Link to this contribution) We wholeheartedly endorse the laudable objectives of all noble Lords who have moved or spoken to ame...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1560-1 (Link to this contribution) This is an important group of amendments because there is very little point in having any report if ...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1561-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 92 and 95, like the other amendments in this group, concern the action that ought to be t...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1559 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 91 91: Schedule 4, page 127, leave out lines 27 and 28 and insert "the provisions of sub-...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1559-60 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 93, 94, 96 and 131, which are in this group in my name and those of...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1559 (Link to this contribution) I am certainly encouraged to hear that the Minister thinks it is likely that the Chief Coroner might...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1566 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister for that response.

Lord Bach | 711 c1566 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, makes a very powerful point—one that I have now had a chance to cons...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1565-6 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may return to paragraph 6(1) of Schedule 4, a matter to which the noble and learned Barone...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1554 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. In those circumstances I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 77A wit...

Lord Bach | 711 c1554-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 80 to 85 80: After Clause 24, insert the following new Clause— "CHAPTER Investigations c...

Lord Bach | 711 c1556-7 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 87 87: Before Schedule 4, insert the following new Schedule— "Coroner for Treasure and As...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1553-4 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for the noble Lord’s response. I have one further question for him. I asked three...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1558 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 90 90: Schedule 4, page 126, line 41, at end insert— "(7) The Secretary of State must iss...

Lord Bach | 711 c1557 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 4: Powers of senior coroners Amendments 88 and 89 88: Schedule 4, page 125, line 27, at e...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1558-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 90 would require the Secretary of State to issue a code of practice for senior coroners wh...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1558 (Link to this contribution) In paragraph 3 of Schedule 4, senior coroners would acquire new statutory powers to enter and search...

Lord Bach | 711 c1518 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 67 67: Clause 20, page 13, line 43, leave out from "consequence" to end and insert "of— (...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c1517 (Link to this contribution) This has been a very helpful and thorough debate about these provisions in the Bill. I know that my ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1516-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. I am satisfied with the bulk of his reply because it states the sit...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1522 (Link to this contribution) The amendment relates to the certificate signed by doctors to enable a body to be created. The syste...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1521-2 (Link to this contribution) I can be brief with the amendment because I have already received a lot of assurance from the Minist...

Lord Bach | 711 c1519-21 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for moving what I take to be a probing amendment concerned with the premature...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1521 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his expansion and response, and particularly for his pointing up t...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1518 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 70 70: After Clause 20, insert the following new Clause— "Cooperation between coroners an...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1518-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 70 and 71 relate to the relationship between coroners, medical examiners and statutory he...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1510 (Link to this contribution) I cannot go much further at this moment. My understanding is that the position is as the noble Lord ...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1509-10 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the degree of assurance that the Minister has given, but while there is some flexi...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c1510-2 (Link to this contribution) Clause 20 looks at the issue of medical certificates detailing the cause of death. Amendments 64 and...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1512-3 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Alton of Liverpool has explained the background to the first amendments in this...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1513-4 (Link to this contribution) Our amendment in this group is, I hope, straightforward. It would allow a fresh medical certificate ...

Lord Bach | 711 c1514-6 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 67 in this group is a technical government amendment designed to avoid any unnecessary req...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1510 (Link to this contribution) It is with some trepidation that I rise to sum up the amendments on indemnity. I fail to understand ...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1510 (Link to this contribution) We will certainly look at that point.

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1510 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister—all the more reason for withdrawing my amendment. I beg leave to withd...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c1510 (Link to this contribution) Clause 20: Medical certificate of cause of death Amendment 64 64: Clause 20, page 12, line 4, leav...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1569 (Link to this contribution) I rise simply to say that we support the amendments.

Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde | 711 c1569 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 128A, I will speak also to Amendments 132A and 206A. These are not technical ame...

Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde | 711 c1570 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the detail of that response. I did not hear every word of it, so I look for...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1569-70 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the sentiments behind the amendments; namely, that before the Lord Chancellor,...

Baroness Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde | 711 c1568 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 128A 128A: Clause 32, page 18, line 24, at end insert— "( ) When making an order under su...

Lord Bach | 711 c1568 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 122 to 124 122: Clause 31, page 17, line 17, after "coroner" insert "or the Coroner for ...

Lord Bach | 711 c1568 (Link to this contribution) Clause 32: Appeals to the Chief Coroner Amendments 125 to 128 125: Clause 32, page 18, line 11, le...

Lord Bach | 711 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 105 105: Schedule 6, page 130, line 29, at end insert "or the Coroner for Treasure" Amen...

Lord Bach | 711 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 103 103: Schedule 6, page 130, line 25, at end insert "or, where appropriate, the Coroner...

Lord Bach | 711 c1566-7 (Link to this contribution) Schedule 5: Offences Amendments 97 to 100 97: Schedule 5, page 128, line 25, after "coroner" inser...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c1566 (Link to this contribution) We must all be grateful to the Minister, and to other noble Lords who have contributed to the debate...

Lord Bach | 711 c1568 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 120 and 121 120: Clause 30, page 16, line 36, at end insert— "(aa) the Coroner for Treas...

Lord Bach | 711 c1568 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 116 116: Clause 29, page 16, line 22, after "32(1)," insert "(2A)," Amendment 116 agreed...

Lord Bach | 711 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Amendments 111 to 113 111: Schedule 7, page 132, line 33, after second "judge" insert ", the Corone...

Lord Bach | 711 c1567 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 108 108: Schedule 6, page 131, line 33, leave out or "by a judge" and insert "the Coroner...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c1548 (Link to this contribution) Clause 22 agreed. Schedule 2 agreed. Clause 23 agreed. Schedule 3: Appointment etc of senior coro...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1521 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 72 72: After Clause 20, insert the following new Clause— "Cremation (1) Where two doctors...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 711 c1500 (Link to this contribution) This comes much later.

Lord Tunnicliffe | 711 c1554 (Link to this contribution) That is my understanding.

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c1475-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his full reply. I must begin by saying that I am not totally reass...

Lord Bach | 711 c1556 (Link to this contribution) Clause 25: Powers of senior coroners Amendment 86 86: Clause 25, page 15, line 31, at end insert "...

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