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Heathrow (Third Runway)

Opposition day on Wednesday, 28 January 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Theresa Villiers. The answering member was Geoffrey Hoon.
Heathrow (third runway). Second opposition day debate. Main question negatived on division (297 to 278). Amendment agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
487 c299-412 
Session
2008-09
Department
Department for Transport
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 487 c382 (Link to this contribution) I call Clive Efford. I announce to the House that after his speech, the time limit on Back Benchers'...
Speaker | 487 c317 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must be careful with interventions. There is a 10-minute limit on speeches because Back Be...

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Karen Buck | 487 c405 (Link to this contribution) How seriously can my right hon. Friend take the Opposition's position on carbon emissions and climat...
John McDonnell | 487 c405 (Link to this contribution) Further to the reply that the Secretary of State gave to my hon. Friend the Member for Morley and Ro...
Ed Miliband | 487 c405 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. The best mate of the leader of the Conservative party wants a whole new est...
Greg Clark | 487 c406 (Link to this contribution) Given that the Secretary of State has ignored the advice of the Environment Agency, why should we th...
Ed Miliband | 487 c406 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to change our position on the national policy statement. The position is as it was in...
Baroness Kramer | 487 c406 (Link to this contribution) Does the Secretary of State recognise that, at 480,000, the current cap on flights at Heathrow is en...
Ed Miliband | 487 c406 (Link to this contribution) We are not ignoring the advice of the Environment Agency. We are very clear about this. We are going...
Ed Miliband | 487 c406 (Link to this contribution) No, we are very clear about this. We will have to live within the air quality limits that have been ...
Ed Miliband | 487 c406 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Windsor (Adam Afriyie) is speaking from a sedentary position, but in this debate...
Lord Deben | 487 c349-50 (Link to this contribution) A commitment to investigate by a Government who have had more taskforce investigations, commissions ...
Lord Deben | 487 c348 (Link to this contribution) The difficulty is that the Government would not allow the vote in Government time that we should hav...
Tom Harris | 487 c348 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Deben | 487 c349 (Link to this contribution) I will, and I will answer him in a much less party political way than he ever answered any of my que...
Lord Tyrie | 487 c345 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman appears to support the view that we must do nothing to impede the expansion...
Nick Raynsford | 487 c345-6 (Link to this contribution) I give the hon. Gentleman an undertaking that I will respond to his comment at the end of my speech....
Lord Deben | 487 c346-8 (Link to this contribution) I speak as someone who has changed his mind on Heathrow. I have done so because, although I understa...
Rob Marris | 487 c348 (Link to this contribution) Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that the official Opposition's motion partly contradicts the posit...
Nick Raynsford | 487 c345 (Link to this contribution) I will await the full results of Doug Oakervee's study before reaching a fully informed view, but my...
Speaker | 487 c353 (Link to this contribution) Order. That is a very lengthy intervention.
Martin Salter | 487 c353 (Link to this contribution) I think I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. At the end of the day, we cannot look the par...
Martin Salter | 487 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) You can have too much of a Liberal Democrat. I am sorry; that was uncalled for. What is causing the...
David Leslie Taylor | 487 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is referring to early-day motion 2344, which was tabled in the last Session. There is...
Martin Salter | 487 c351 (Link to this contribution) What that means, effectively, is that if a Government have good reason and need time to establish me...
Baroness Kramer | 487 c351 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman, but it was precisely that point that I wanted to underscore.
Lord Deben | 487 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) Could the hon. Gentleman tell me of a single occasion on which a solemn promise made by BAA has actu...
Stephen Pound | 487 c345 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the whole House will join me in congratulating my right hon. Friend on his birthday, ...
Justine Greening | 487 c340-1 (Link to this contribution) The House will be aware that I have set out my constituents' concerns about the expansion of Heathro...
Adam Afriyie | 487 c341 (Link to this contribution) There also appeared to be a commitment to cap the number of night flights, but it appears that that ...
Ruth Kelly | 487 c340 (Link to this contribution) I have only one minute left, so I beg the hon. Gentleman to wait. In the end, I believe that the ma...
Justine Greening | 487 c341-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I will not give way because of the time. The Secretary of State talked about conces...
Nick Raynsford | 487 c343-4 (Link to this contribution) The debate has been curious. I do not support the expansion of Heathrow, but I was disappointed in t...
Justine Greening | 487 c341 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. Perhaps it is a good time to remind the House of the night flights consulta...
Adam Afriyie | 487 c375-6 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that, but on issues such as Cranford and mixed mode, different views have been held in ...
Tom Harris | 487 c377-8 (Link to this contribution) May I begin on what might be interpreted as something of a sour note? I am glad to see that the hon....
John Leech | 487 c375 (Link to this contribution) On a point of clarification, I do not think any Liberal Democrat Member has ever been in favour of a...
Rob Marris | 487 c379 (Link to this contribution) They have probably flown back to Scotland.
Tom Harris | 487 c378 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that intervention. A number of colleagues on both sides of the House have raised ...
Norman Baker | 487 c378 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to agree with that. I was casting no aspersions at all on the hon. Gentleman or on many o...
Tom Harris | 487 c378-9 (Link to this contribution) If I had time I would go into another definition—that of a Conservative Opposition day motion, which...
Julian Brazier | 487 c378 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the typically courteous hon. Gentleman for giving way. May I remind him what t...
Clive Efford | 487 c383 (Link to this contribution) I will come to that. We heard from the hon. Member for Chipping Barnet (Mrs. Villiers) a refusal to...
Adam Afriyie | 487 c383 (Link to this contribution) I recognise some of the hon. Gentleman's concerns about whether party politics are involved, but doe...
Clive Efford | 487 c382-3 (Link to this contribution) Almost all the people who contacted me about today's debate believed that it was about climate chang...
Speaker | 487 c382 (Link to this contribution) I call Clive Efford. I announce to the House that after his speech, the time limit on Back Benchers'...
John Howell | 487 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) I wanted to speak in today's debate because I want the Government to understand that, even 50 miles ...
Tom Harris | 487 c379-81 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend says that they may have flown back to Scotland, but I believe that the Scottish Natio...
Clive Efford | 487 c384 (Link to this contribution) No, I am sorry; I have given way twice. In the absence of any policy of their own, the Conservative...
Julian Brazier | 487 c384 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Clive Efford | 487 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that people are listening, but they will go back and check Hansard. The hon. Lady, who ope...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 487 c353-5 (Link to this contribution) I start by congratulating the hon. Member for Reading, West (Martin Salter) on his contribution. It ...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 487 c355 (Link to this contribution) I know he is here; I see him in a place in which I would not expect to see him—on the Back Benches. ...
Michael Meacher | 487 c356 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree. The second promise was to limit capacity, under the so-called green slot princip...
Martin Salter | 487 c356 (Link to this contribution) I applaud the contribution made by the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change in mitigatin...
Michael Meacher | 487 c356-8 (Link to this contribution) I agree. It is easy to make commitments for five years' time, but those for 50 years' time are not v...
Lord Deben | 487 c356 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it is difficult to take seriously promises made for 2050, w...
Baroness Kramer | 487 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) I want to speak in two capacities today. As a local MP whose constituency is under the flight path, ...
Nick Hurd | 487 c364-7 (Link to this contribution) It is a privilege to follow two speeches by my senior and southern Hillingdon neighbours. They made ...
John McDonnell | 487 c361-4 (Link to this contribution) I was not completely sure how to attract your attention, Madam Deputy Speaker. [Laughter.] For some...
Baroness Kramer | 487 c359-61 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman gives a very wise warning, and I am glad that that observation is coming from hon...
Chris Mullin | 487 c359 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is quite right to draw attention to that possibility, and she can be absolutely sure t...
Chris Mullin | 487 c367-9 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend is right and that the relevant vested interests will be back for more....
Chris Mullin | 487 c367 (Link to this contribution) I believe that I am right in saying that so far this afternoon, no Member of any party, apart from t...
Hugh Bayley | 487 c372-4 (Link to this contribution) I want to start by declaring an interest. My older sister lives in a mediaeval house in Harmondswort...
Ed Miliband | 487 c405 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend knows that the procedure is that when the national policy statement is set out in 201...
Ed Miliband | 487 c405 (Link to this contribution) The rest of industry would have to bear a bigger burden. That is true, but I have explained to the h...
Colin Challen | 487 c405 (Link to this contribution) The debate has been about aviation expansion per se, not just about one runway. Regional runways and...
Ed Miliband | 487 c404 (Link to this contribution) I have great respect for the right hon. Gentleman, but I disagree with him on this point. I do not b...
Norman Baker | 487 c404 (Link to this contribution) This is an important matter. The Government's target is to keep aviation emissions in 2050 at the sa...
Ed Miliband | 487 c404 (Link to this contribution) I will in a moment. The question then is, what burden should aviation bear? At times it has been har...
Lord Deben | 487 c404 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman not agree that it is not opportunism to suggest that as a result of th...
Ed Miliband | 487 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) I, too, pay tribute to right hon. and hon. Members who spoke in the debate, and I want to pick out t...
Norman Baker | 487 c404 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Emily Thornberry | 487 c388-9 (Link to this contribution) No, I shall be very quick. If the right hon. Member for Witney (Mr. Cameron) would like to draft su...
Emily Thornberry | 487 c387-8 (Link to this contribution) I am profoundly against the building of a third runway at Heathrow, because of the impact of aviatio...
Clive Efford | 487 c384-5 (Link to this contribution) I have already given way twice and there are others who wish to speak. I am sorry if I have rattled ...
Sammy Wilson | 487 c385 (Link to this contribution) There have been some powerful speeches in this debate, especially from Members whose constituencies ...
Stephen Hammond | 487 c384 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Sammy Wilson | 487 c386-7 (Link to this contribution) I would love to give way, but I am restricted to eight minutes and therefore want to make my point. ...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 487 c385-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will understand that I have Northern Ireland's international airport in my constituen...
Sammy Wilson | 487 c386 (Link to this contribution) It is. I hope that at the end of the debate the Government will be able to make commitments about th...
Greg Clark | 487 c399-402 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman intervened earlier with a similar question, and I shall make our position very cl...
Martin Salter | 487 c402 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that some of us find it slightly bizarre that some Labour Members will...
Alan Simpson | 487 c389-91 (Link to this contribution) I shall vote for the motion, which was originally tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Selby (Mr....
Andy Slaughter | 487 c391-3 (Link to this contribution) I grew up with Heathrow, living for about 30 years under the flight path in Fulham before I moved to...
John Grogan | 487 c393-5 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the thoughtful speech by my hon. Friend the Member for Ealing, Acto...
Speaker | 487 c395 (Link to this contribution) Order. It seemed almost cruel to stop the hon. Member who tabled the motion.
Rob Marris | 487 c395-7 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest, in that I am a member of the Transport and General Workers Union, which is no...
Lynne Jones | 487 c397-9 (Link to this contribution) I agree with every word said by my hon. Friend the Member for Selby (Mr. Grogan), and I will support...
Greg Clark | 487 c399 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to respond to a debate that has been serious, heartfelt and broadly positive across...
Colin Challen | 487 c399 (Link to this contribution) For the record, will the hon. Gentleman confirm that his party is in favour of aviation expansion?
Greg Clark | 487 c403 (Link to this contribution) I noticed the contribution, and I hope that the Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change is ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c315 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I gave way to the hon. Lady, because she clearly did not listen to the question. The...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c312-3 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Lady is not worried about jobs and the economy—[Interruption.] Well, the position of the...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c315 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a fair point. Of course, the process will be governed by the Planning Act 2008,...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c315 (Link to this contribution) In tabling the motion, we were simply responding to the passionate demands from both sides of the Ho...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c314 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way in a moment. First, does the hon. Lady recognise that our constituents and British...
John McDonnell | 487 c314 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend mentioned the decision-making process. My constituents are not particularly int...
Bob Spink | 487 c314 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to ask the right hon. Gentleman to come to meet my constituents, but will he give the...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c314 (Link to this contribution) I will be dealing with that in due course, but the hon. Gentleman can take it that we will not be re...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 487 c313 (Link to this contribution) If the Secretary of State is so convinced on the rightness of his argument, why is it that when we i...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c313-4 (Link to this contribution) I would have been delighted to make such visits, but unfortunately, and unusually for me, I found my...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c316 (Link to this contribution) We have provided a viable way to make Heathrow a much better airport, by providing a viable high-spe...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c315-6 (Link to this contribution) I have given way to my hon. Friend. I shall give way in a second. As the Opposition have accepted t...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c316 (Link to this contribution) I have already given way to my hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell). I s...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c316 (Link to this contribution) Unless the hon. Lady is able to provide the criteria by which that decision has been taken, she cann...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c316 (Link to this contribution) I made it clear in my statement to the House that any further expansion beyond that which was permit...
Joan Walley | 487 c316 (Link to this contribution) May I take my right hon. Friend back to what he just said about the process by which the decision wi...
Colin Challen | 487 c317 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my right hon. Friend that the Opposition's opportunism is to be deprecated. However, wr...
John McDonnell | 487 c315 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c315 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a little progress. What is important is that we should—
Graham Stringer | 487 c319 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the essence of my right hon. Friend's arguments that there is simply no economic altern...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c318-9 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right to say that Mr. Oakervee is employed by the Department, and in that ca...
Nick Raynsford | 487 c318 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend recognise that the proposal for a Thames estuary airport is currently bein...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c318 (Link to this contribution) I have visited Manston airport, and I can see the argument for its expansion and I recognise that it...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c320-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an excellent point and one that was completely ignored by the hon. Lady. At any...
Tom Levitt | 487 c320 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that perhaps the most polluting and wasteful practice by Heathrow is...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c319-20 (Link to this contribution) That is simply not the case. Unfortunately, The Times seems to have confused the projections for car...
Roger Gale | 487 c318 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has made much of the White Paper. When I raised the issue of Manston airport ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c317 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make some progress, in the light of Mr. Speaker's observation. One suggestion set out...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c317 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept the way in which my hon. Friend has made his point, not least because I took great p...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c322-3 (Link to this contribution) The guarantee that I can give is that that can never happen without expansion and more capacity at H...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 487 c322 (Link to this contribution) I have been listening to what the Secretary of State has been saying about jobs, opportunities, Schi...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c321 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says, ““Of course not.”” I invite him to go back and look at the careful statemen...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c322 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman shakes his head, but I hope that he will give me some credit for setting out thos...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c321 (Link to this contribution) The Liberal Democrat party may be the last party on the planet to notice that we are in the middle o...
Norman Baker | 487 c321 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is very keen about not exporting jobs to Schiphol, but is he aware that in th...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c321 (Link to this contribution) I am not entirely clear how the issue that the hon. Gentleman raises is relevant to the third runway...
Robert Key | 487 c321 (Link to this contribution) May we come down to earth for a minute? So far, the Secretary of State has completely failed to talk...
Norman Baker | 487 c324-5 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with that. The right hon. Gentleman has a long record on this issue. Let me make it...
Lord Deben | 487 c324 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the debate would be more instructive if the Secretary of State ha...
Norman Baker | 487 c324 (Link to this contribution) I regret very much the tone that the Secretary of State for Transport adopted in his responses this ...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c324 (Link to this contribution) I set out very clearly the basis of the decision in relation to night flights in the decision that I...
Chris Mullin | 487 c323-4 (Link to this contribution) On night flights, does not the decisions that my right hon. Friend is making on terminal 6 and a thi...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c323 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a very strong case on behalf of our regional airports. It is a matter of gr...
Sammy Wilson | 487 c323 (Link to this contribution) The third runway at Heathrow is an important issue for people in Northern Ireland because, as the Se...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c323 (Link to this contribution) As I set out to the House, there will be no change in the basis on which night flight arrangements o...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 487 c323 (Link to this contribution) One of the issues relevant to increased capacity and the impact of a third runway on local residents...
Norman Baker | 487 c325 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to try to respond to that point. We have made a firm commitment that high-speed rail...
Graham Stringer | 487 c326 (Link to this contribution) As ever, I listen carefully to the case that the hon. Gentleman puts, which seems to be based on the...
Norman Baker | 487 c326 (Link to this contribution) I agree, but we have an effective hub airport at Heathrow already. More people are already using Lon...
Tom Harris | 487 c326 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman suggesting that because of opinion polls, the Government should change their p...
Norman Baker | 487 c326 (Link to this contribution) I have not made the case that stopping the third runway would end up with fewer flights. I have made...
Sammy Wilson | 487 c326 (Link to this contribution) Of course, there is real concern about the impact that any decision on Heathrow may have on regional...
Norman Baker | 487 c327 (Link to this contribution) That is an important point, and my understanding is that my hon. Friend is correct on that matter. W...
Lord Randall of Uxbridge | 487 c327 (Link to this contribution) I am sure the hon. Gentleman will agree with me on this point. We are using a sort of shorthand when...
Norman Baker | 487 c326 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that the Government are muddle-headed and have the wrong policy. The opinion polls shoul...
Baroness Kramer | 487 c327 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for giving way, as he has come to a pause. The Secretary of State for Transpo...
Norman Baker | 487 c327-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is quite right. While we are talking about Gatwick, let me make it absolutely cle...
Rob Marris | 487 c328 (Link to this contribution) I know that it is the hon. Gentleman's policy to be against all expansion of aviation capacity in th...
Norman Baker | 487 c328 (Link to this contribution) Not be allowed to fly? I do not know where on earth the hon. Gentleman got that from. If he is sayin...
Simon Hughes | 487 c328 (Link to this contribution) May I make the absolutely obvious point that most constituents in constituencies such as mine may us...
Norman Baker | 487 c328-9 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is perfectly true, and analysis of travel patterns shows that disproportionate numbers of ...
Norman Baker | 487 c329-30 (Link to this contribution) That is perfectly true. The issue is not simply about getting to other cities in the UK—this may par...
Nick Hurd | 487 c330 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern at the lecture that the Opposition received from the Secret...
Norman Baker | 487 c330 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I do. There was a lot wrong with the consultation period and with the whole Government process ...
Justine Greening | 487 c330 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman aware that during the public consultation exhibitions there was a board statin...
Alan Keen | 487 c333 (Link to this contribution) I was going to make a joke about new jobs for archaeologists, but that would not have gone down very...
Norman Baker | 487 c331-2 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is right. He may have seen a recent study that came out in the past few day...
Speaker | 487 c333 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before I call the next hon. Member to speak, I should remind the House that Mr. Speaker has p...
Norman Baker | 487 c331 (Link to this contribution) Yes. Part of the objective of dealing with the present difficult economic conditions is to move forw...
Lord Deben | 487 c331 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman also noticed that major companies and small companies alike have used the opp...
Norman Baker | 487 c331 (Link to this contribution) That is absolutely right, and it shows that there was a dodgy consultation to back up a dodgy runway...
Simon Hughes | 487 c331 (Link to this contribution) I remind my hon. Friend and the House that there is, at last, progress on Crossrail, which will prod...
Alan Keen | 487 c333-4 (Link to this contribution) I was sitting in the second row here in the Chamber when the Secretary of State announced the barrin...
Justine Greening | 487 c334 (Link to this contribution) The reason why there were not many smiles on this side is that we get the same old story. No promise...
Alan Keen | 487 c334-5 (Link to this contribution) Just a few moments ago, an Opposition Member mentioned the bar on increases in night flights until 2...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 487 c337-8 (Link to this contribution) I am following the right hon. Lady's remarks closely. Is not the logical position of her own Governm...
Ruth Kelly | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree with that for one second. In fact, regional economic growth would be hampered massive...
Lord Tyrie | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Ruth Kelly | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) No: I have only a very short space of time to make my case, and I would like to proceed. People who...
Adam Afriyie | 487 c335 (Link to this contribution) The Opposition motion that we are debating today is based on an early-day motion. Will the hon. Gent...
Alan Keen | 487 c335 (Link to this contribution) I did sign the EDM. The Opposition told us today that they wanted to give us the chance to debate an...
Roger Gale | 487 c335-6 (Link to this contribution) I recognise the need for the United Kingdom to remain competitive in aviation terms. Throughout the ...
Ruth Kelly | 487 c337 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure for me to be able to take part in this debate on an issue that I have dealt w...
Norman Baker | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Norman Baker | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Lady, with whom I had many dealings when she was in office. Does she...
Ruth Kelly | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Gentleman, who I know has made this environmental case in the past.
Greg Hands | 487 c339 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Ruth Kelly | 487 c338-9 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The transfer business is often derided by the Opposition and by sceptics in the pre...
Lord Tyrie | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Ruth Kelly | 487 c338 (Link to this contribution) I agree that the cost of flying should reflect its full environmental and social costs, and I shall ...
Lord Tyrie | 487 c340 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Ruth Kelly | 487 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) There is also tax, and there are all sorts of other issues for those businesses to consider. However...
Ruth Kelly | 487 c339 (Link to this contribution) I will not. Of course, access to a hub airport is not the only consideration that such businesses w...
Adam Afriyie | 487 c406-7 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is clearly on a sticky wicket. The question is about why the decision has to ...
Ed Miliband | 487 c407 (Link to this contribution) If ever we saw a sign that the Conservative party is not ready for government, it is in the motion t...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 487 c407 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Secretary of State will answer the question that I put to the right hon. Member for Bolt...
Ed Miliband | 487 c407 (Link to this contribution) The Conservative party has adopted a number of different positions today. The hon. Gentleman accuses...
Lord McLoughlin | 487 c407 (Link to this contribution) claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36). Question put forthwith, That the Question be n...
Paddy Tipping | 487 c407 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. It has been drawn to my attention that the Carriage Gates have bee...
Speaker | 487 c407 (Link to this contribution) Order. The first piece of information that I got regarding the Carriage Gates was that only the exit...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c312 (Link to this contribution) If there is no credibility in opposing a third runway—if there is no basis or justification for oppo...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c312 (Link to this contribution) Those comments would have some credibility if the hon. Lady could set out the basis on which those a...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c310-1 (Link to this contribution) Sorry, but no. Furthermore, the Conservative party believes that as a nation we can no longer put o...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c311-2 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move an amendment, to leave out from ““House”” to the end of the Question and add:"““notes ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c310 (Link to this contribution) Today's debate is about Heathrow. It is about the Government's reckless decision to proceed with a t...
Mike Weir | 487 c310 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady mentioned the high-speed rail links, which we in Scotland would be very keen to see, b...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c310 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has conceded that under a Conservative Government there could be some expansion in the...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c310 (Link to this contribution) I recognise the advantages of taking a line all the way to Scotland, but we have to be realistic abo...
Greg Hands | 487 c308 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my belief that the fact that this Government have failed to do anything on...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c308 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and I was very concerned that when just a year or so ago the Government published their 30-year...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c309 (Link to this contribution) Possibly later. Both the OEF study and the Government's entire approach are fundamentally flawed by...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c309 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. Much of the travel misery that so many people experience at Heathrow has more to...
Hugh Bayley | 487 c309 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way. Like her, I have a strong interest in railways. She s...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c309 (Link to this contribution) We have set out detailed plans for the costings of our high-speed rail line. In our proposal for a ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c308 (Link to this contribution) Of course I recognise the importance of Heathrow and that business wants Heathrow to be better, but ...
Louise Ellman | 487 c308 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way. Does she recognise the importance of Heathrow as our only inte...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c307 (Link to this contribution) No. I have given away to the Secretary of State already. He will have his chance later. Leaving asi...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c308 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. Also worth noting is the success of initiatives such as Project Icarus, which as...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c307 (Link to this contribution) No. I have been very generous in giving way, and I want to make some progress now. Whereas the envi...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c308 (Link to this contribution) No. I have been very generous in giving way. In a recent poll of small businesses conducted by Cont...
Lynne Jones | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) Was it not Keynes who said ““When the evidence changes, I change my mind””? I congratulate the hon. ...
Ed Miliband | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) This has been a most illuminating exchange, I must say. The whole country will now realise that the ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) No. I am happy to acknowledge that I did, at one stage—[Interruption.]
Theresa Villiers | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) I make no secret of the fact—indeed, I said this on the ““Today”” programme—that I once thought that...
Speaker | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am trying to hear the hon. Lady. It is unfair for Members to do all this shouting.
Theresa Villiers | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) That last statement does not represent my view. I am happy to acknowledge that my thinking on the ec...
Ed Miliband | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) On the subject of carbon, the hon. Lady said something very interesting. She said that she did not r...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. The consultation document acknowledged that the full uplift to 702,000 flights could n...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. We do not rule out the possibility of airport expansion in the south-east; ...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) I strongly agree with my hon. Friend about the role that regional airports can play. I think she is ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) Why should we believe that the Government will take any notice of the Committee on Climate Change, g...
Ed Miliband | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) It is up to the Committee on Climate Change.
Theresa Villiers | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) I have answered the question. While the Secretary of State may have placated his Cabinet colleagues...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c304-5 (Link to this contribution) Not just at the moment. Even more controversially, as I have said, the documents obtained under the...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) I shall say something about regional airports shortly, but I think the hon. Lady is wrong to dismiss...
Speaker | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that this is a point of order, but I ask the right hon. Gentleman to give it to me. ....
Theresa Villiers | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State is in no position to make assertions or claims about, or to ask questions abo...
David Evennett | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a very powerful case against Heathrow expansion and in favour of high-speed...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) We all recognise that noise plays a part in these decisions; that is why, necessarily, they are diff...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady kindly give way on the question of noise?
Theresa Villiers | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) Not just at the moment. The simple fact remains that a new runway with a massive uplift in flights a...
Lord Deben | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker. ... Is it not true that the right hon. Gentleman is going to make ...
Andrew Dismore | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady give way on that point?
Theresa Villiers | 487 c303 (Link to this contribution) One of the reasons why mixed mode is not there is that the Government have apparently promised us th...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) Again, may I give the hon. Lady the opportunity to set out on behalf of her party to the House and t...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) I have answered that question already. Actually, we have set out plans to build a new Heathrow rail ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c301-2 (Link to this contribution) No, I have already answered. That precondition could yet provide a legal bar to building runway 3. O...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. According to the local authorities in question, 114 schools are already seriousl...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) No. In debates in the Chamber, hon. Members representing areas as far apart as Maidenhead and Winds...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) No. BAA has yet to meet the Government's 40 per cent. target for public transport use, which it was...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c300 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. It is regrettable that the Government have refused to give us the vote that we need on t...
Mark Hendrick | 487 c300 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady think that it makes environmental sense for aircraft to spend half an hour flying...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c301 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. I shall start with air pollution. A massive increase in flights at Heathrow woul...
Geoffrey Hoon | 487 c301 (Link to this contribution) For the benefit of the House and the country, will the hon. Lady set out the criteria by which she w...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c301 (Link to this contribution) I am calling on the Government not to try to wriggle out of the obligations that they have undertake...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c300 (Link to this contribution) That is one of the reasons why we are providing a viable alternative to a third runway—namely, a top...
Speaker | 487 c299 (Link to this contribution) I inform the House that I have selected the amendment in the name of the Prime Minister.
Theresa Villiers | 487 c299 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That this House urges the Government to rethink its plans for a third runway at Heath...
Clive Efford | 487 c300 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will appreciate that many people are concerned about the impact on climate change of t...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c300 (Link to this contribution) The difference between Heathrow and so many other airports is that its flight paths cover an incredi...
Colin Challen | 487 c299 (Link to this contribution) I regret that the hon. Lady's party has chosen to make a political football out of a cross-party ear...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c299-300 (Link to this contribution) We are not making a political football out of Heathrow. We are giving the House the opportunity to v...
Speaker | 487 c317 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must be careful with interventions. There is a 10-minute limit on speeches because Back Be...
Tom Harris | 487 c349 (Link to this contribution) To come to the defence of my right hon. Friend the Member for Bolton, West (Ruth Kelly), who is no l...
Julian Brazier | 487 c383 (Link to this contribution) May I lay this one to rest? On several previous occasions in the House and at press conferences, my ...
Michael Meacher | 487 c355-6 (Link to this contribution) I support the motion, because it is identical to early-day motion 3244, tabled in the last Session b...
John Barrett | 487 c329 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that if there is any question about airspace capacity safety, the issue co...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c333 (Link to this contribution) I reiterate that we strongly opposed mixed mode, and that we welcome the Government's retreat on mix...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c312 (Link to this contribution) I shall tell the right hon. Gentleman the basis of our decision—it was what I set out in my speech: ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c307 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady for the point that she has made. Let me return again to the 125,000 ...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c304 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree with my hon. Friend, and I will respond to that point in more detail later. The ...
Andrew Dismore | 487 c302 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Lady, who is also my parliamentary neighbour. Her motion does not refer at...
Adam Afriyie | 487 c376-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right, and I am not suggesting that the Government second-guess that decision....
Adam Afriyie | 487 c374-5 (Link to this contribution) I think that overall, the decision to build the third runway is a bad decision; it is the wrong deci...
Mike Weir | 487 c325 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman, but from a Scottish point of view, we want transport link...
Emily Thornberry | 487 c305 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Lady assist the House by telling us what carbon dioxide emissions would result from the...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c300-1 (Link to this contribution) I have taken a lot of interventions, and I shall take more later in my speech, but I want to make so...
Martin Salter | 487 c351 (Link to this contribution) I do not think I need detain the House in racking my brains for an instance when BAA may have kept a...
Martin Salter | 487 c350 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Suffolk, Coastal (Mr. Gummer), as I did in the ...
Rob Marris | 487 c376 (Link to this contribution) Unless I am misunderstanding the hon. Gentleman, as is possible, he seems to be under the delusion t...
Greg Hands | 487 c369-72 (Link to this contribution) As I said in our last debate on Heathrow in November, I have always considered myself a pragmatist o...
John McDonnell | 487 c367 (Link to this contribution) We should try to get clarity about mixed mode on the record. Mixed mode is not going ahead because o...
Theresa Villiers | 487 c306 (Link to this contribution) I believe very strongly that the economic arguments in favour of Heathrow expansion are not convinci...
Lord Deben | 487 c300 (Link to this contribution) Does not my hon. Friend think it amazing that the Government have not given us an opportunity to vot...
Subjects
Aviation
Air pollution
Climate change
Heathrow Airport
Railways
Noise
Transport
Regional airports
Carbon emissions
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