Debate on a motion to consider the matter of public engagement in fighting crime.
Fighting Crime (Public Engagement)
Debate on Thursday, 6 November 2008,
in the House of Commons,
led by Lord Coaker.
The answering
member was James Brokenshire.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
482 c398-460 
Session
2007-08
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Andrew Rosindell | 482 c455-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friends the Members for Rugby and Kenilworth (Jeremy Wright), for Monmouth (David T.C. Davie...
Alan Campbell | 482 c456-7 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a largely thoughtful and measured debate, and I shall begin by referring to the commen...
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Keith Vaz | 482 c457 (Link to this contribution)
May I take this opportunity to congratulate the Minister personally on his promotion? I should also ...
Andrew Rosindell | 482 c452-4 (Link to this contribution)
We have heard some eloquent and informative speeches from Members in all parts of the House on the i...
Lord Coaker | 482 c454 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman reflect on his comment that there has been a breakdown in the relationships ...
Andrew Rosindell | 482 c454-5 (Link to this contribution)
What there has been is a failure of confidence; there has been a breakdown in confidence in certain ...
Keith Vaz | 482 c455 (Link to this contribution)
The reason that more Labour Members have not spoken is that we all agree so fundamentally with what ...
Mike Penning | 482 c448-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for those comments; I know that his Committee is looking further in...
Simon Hughes | 482 c449-52 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to raise a few points about Greater London policing, particularly about the ability to engage...
Alan Campbell | 482 c457-60 (Link to this contribution)
I admire the hon. Gentleman's ability to get that point into the debate, but I draw the House's atte...
Alan Campbell | 482 c457 (Link to this contribution)
We are, and I hope that in my comments later I will be able to give my right hon. Friend the assuran...
James Brokenshire | 482 c457 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister acknowledge that public confidence in crime prevention means that people need to b...
John Baron | 482 c402 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister understand that if we are to encourage greater public engagement in helping to fig...
Lord Coaker | 482 c400-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my right hon. Friend for his warm welcome, for which I am particularly grateful as he is Cha...
Keith Vaz | 482 c400 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the Minister to his new position at the Home Office. On the policing pledge, there is conc...
Lord Coaker | 482 c400 (Link to this contribution)
If I could find the figures in my folder quickly enough, I would be able to demonstrate to the hon. ...
Jeremy Wright | 482 c404 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the Minister that one of the best ways of dealing with crime is to intervene early, bef...
Lord Coaker | 482 c403-4 (Link to this contribution)
We want chief constables to be operationally independent. Just over a year ago, we removed the ring-...
Angela Watkinson | 482 c403 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is describing the crime profile in various areas, but there are enormous variations. Do...
Lord Coaker | 482 c402-3 (Link to this contribution)
We are trying to build confidence in the criminal justice system. People will often debate, often wi...
Lord Coaker | 482 c399 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is perfectly right to draw attention to the excellent work that neighbourhood wat...
Paul Robert Holmes | 482 c399-400 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is generous in giving way three times in rapid succession. I, too, went out with the sp...
Tom Brake | 482 c399 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Minister agree that another way of supporting the police locally is through effective neigh...
Lord Coaker | 482 c398 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That this House has considered the matter of public engagement in fighting crime."
I...
Lord Coaker | 482 c399 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come on to that subject later in my remarks, but I should say that I went out with the speci...
Philip Hollobone | 482 c398-9 (Link to this contribution)
One of the best ways in which police forces can become more visible is by recruiting and attracting ...
Lord Coaker | 482 c405-6 (Link to this contribution)
As I said earlier, I could give some excellent examples from my constituency, as could all hon. Memb...
Chris Huhne | 482 c406 (Link to this contribution)
I am slightly worried about advertising because evidence from the United States is mixed. For exampl...
Lord Coaker | 482 c406 (Link to this contribution)
The evidence of young people, who tell us that the campaign will work. Some of the early feedback fr...
James Brokenshire | 482 c404-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister rightly identified the need to have greater co-ordination and communication with young ...
Lord Coaker | 482 c405 (Link to this contribution)
Of course we need a tough enforcement approach—I made that point earlier. Whatever else we do, we ne...
Graham Stuart | 482 c405 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister join me in congratulating Inspector Andy Woodhead, who polices the Withernsea area...
Jeremy Wright | 482 c410 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, does my hon. Friend agree that the issue is clear in the sense that reasonable force ...
Graham Stuart | 482 c410-1 (Link to this contribution)
I could not help hearing the Minister say, from a sedentary position, that the jury would throw it o...
James Brokenshire | 482 c410 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has summarised the position extremely clearly and made the right points. I think that...
Chris Huhne | 482 c413 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that there is now agreement among Members of all parties that we need the benefits de...
James Brokenshire | 482 c411-3 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree. How appalling it would be if we said ““Let us leave it to the members of the jury....
Angela Watkinson | 482 c414 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that an essential part of public engagement is the accessibility of the po...
James Brokenshire | 482 c413-4 (Link to this contribution)
I think that can be achieved through the police commissioner working with crime and disorder reducti...
Keith Vaz | 482 c414-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Hornchurch (James Brokenshire). I served with ...
James Brokenshire | 482 c414 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right, and whatever pledges may be made, written on a card or written d...
Graham Stuart | 482 c417 (Link to this contribution)
What is the right hon. Gentleman's analysis of our analysis of the problem, which is that there is a...
Graham Stuart | 482 c418 (Link to this contribution)
For the elimination of doubt, the position of the Conservative party is that we need directly electe...
Keith Vaz | 482 c417-8 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the hon. Gentleman that we need better accountability, but I do not criticise the Home ...
James Brokenshire | 482 c419 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman described me as a Rottweiler, but I hope that he will take on board the fac...
Keith Vaz | 482 c418-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has got it absolutely right. People need to get a reply, and proper information. ...
Simon Hughes | 482 c418 (Link to this contribution)
I want to descend to the mundane and respond to the right hon. Gentleman's valid point about poor co...
Keith Vaz | 482 c418 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Perhaps he should join his colleagues on the Front...
Chris Huhne | 482 c420-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to follow, as I often do, the right hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz), but ...
Keith Vaz | 482 c419-20 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that prompt. We must value good neighbours. The good neighbour is one of th...
Keith Vaz | 482 c419 (Link to this contribution)
I was only teasing the hon. Gentleman a little, and trying to do his career some good by saying how ...
David TC Davies | 482 c421 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
David TC Davies | 482 c421 (Link to this contribution)
I am inclined to agree with the hon. Gentleman, but for very different reasons. I do not think that ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c421 (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Simon Hughes | 482 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend probably thinks that Southwark is one of those areas of need, but it has a fantastic ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c422 (Link to this contribution)
I very much agree; my constituency also has a street pastors scheme and the pastors do extremely goo...
Chris Huhne | 482 c422-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to hear that. The provision is slightly patchy; in south Hampshire, there are active ...
Jeremy Wright | 482 c422 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the hon. Gentleman's latter point. Far be it from me to defend the Government, but is n...
Chris Huhne | 482 c421-2 (Link to this contribution)
I disagree with the hon. Gentleman, certainly about the advisability of publicly humiliating people....
Paul Burstow | 482 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has talked about the need for robust citizens, as has my hon. Friend the Member for N...
Chris Huhne | 482 c422 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right; that was exactly Louise Casey's point. However, I am afraid that there ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c424 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman asked me that, because I was coming to that point. All three...
Keith Vaz | 482 c424 (Link to this contribution)
What is the Liberal Democrats' position on the election of commissioners? Do they favour that, or no...
Chris Huhne | 482 c423-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising my next point: how we provide the public with greate...
James Brokenshire | 482 c423 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman refers to mapping detection rates, but several police officers have told me that ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to anyone who is not a middle-aged, middle-class man in a suit. Are there any?
Graham Stuart | 482 c424-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am persuaded that in order to get the accountability we need one figure as police commissioner—I a...
Chris Huhne | 482 c426 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman may not realise that I favour a change in the electoral system for the House—and ...
Jeremy Wright | 482 c430-5 (Link to this contribution)
It has been clear throughout the debate that the proposition we are discussing is not only about pub...
David TC Davies | 482 c435-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to take on the role of nice cop this afternoon, as it is a Thursday and the political...
Angela Watkinson | 482 c438-40 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to concentrate on one particular aspect of public engagement in fighting crime, namely ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c425 (Link to this contribution)
Yes! I give way to the hon. Lady.
Angela Watkinson | 482 c425 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that the whole point of equality is that everybody is treated the ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to reassure the hon. Lady that I have no intention of dividing anybody into a sub-gro...
Jeremy Wright | 482 c425-6 (Link to this contribution)
The point that my hon. Friend the Member for Beverley and Holderness (Mr. Stuart) made was not about...
Tony Baldry | 482 c445-7 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. Police officers and PCSOs visibly out and about together is reassuring and good news. Ho...
Mike Penning | 482 c447-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure for me to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry). I have not ta...
Tony Baldry | 482 c444-5 (Link to this contribution)
There seems to be a collective insanity, and no one knows where it started, its purpose or what it i...
Keith Vaz | 482 c445 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to have missed the beginning of the hon. Gentleman's remarks and he may have covered the ...
Lord Coaker | 482 c441 (Link to this contribution)
All of us listening to the individual cases that the hon. Lady has outlined will feel that that situ...
Angela Watkinson | 482 c441 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his kind offer, but it might—just might—not be necessary, because ...
Jeremy Wright | 482 c444 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether my hon. Friend would agree, based on his experience of criminal practice—and I ask ...
Angela Watkinson | 482 c441 (Link to this contribution)
As, indeed, do I. I am waiting to hear the outcome from my main correspondent, and I hope that justi...
Keith Vaz | 482 c448 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is making not a trivial point, but a very important one. The Home Affairs Select ...
James Brokenshire | 482 c410 (Link to this contribution)
There are two sides to the issue. Advice and guidance could be given to provide greater clarity, as ...
Simon Hughes | 482 c410 (Link to this contribution)
I am very supportive of the idea of encouraging people—I mean robust citizens, of course, not frail ...
James Brokenshire | 482 c406-10 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome this debate and the acknowledgement contained within it that, despite all the Government's...
Tony Baldry | 482 c441-4 (Link to this contribution)
Let us hope that the case discussed by my hon. Friend the Member for Upminster (Angela Watkinson) is...
Lord Coaker | 482 c404 (Link to this contribution)
We are trying to ensure that all of our systems are effective and simple. We keep the matter of the ...
Nia Griffith | 482 c426-9 (Link to this contribution)
Public engagement in fighting crime is crucial. We all know that we cannot have a civilised society ...
Chris Huhne | 482 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I am astonished that the hon. Gentleman, who is a very intelligent Member, feels that this is a repr...
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