Parliamentary search - European Union (Amendment) Bill

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701 c438-502

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2007-08

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European Union (Amendment) Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 40-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon | 701 c470-3 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to follow the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, because I agree with many of his sentiments and ...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c473-4 (Link to this contribution) It is always a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Ashdown, not least because it means tha...

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Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c466-8 (Link to this contribution) I support Amendments Nos. 13A, 15A and 165. The noble Lord, Lord Wallace, described these as ““wreck...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c458-61 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 13A: 13A: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 701 c461-3 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this group of amendments. The whole element of common foreign policy is an important part ...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c465 (Link to this contribution) Of course I voted for the Single European Act. I was one of the Ministers who were concerned with th...

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 701 c465-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes the argument most succinctly, but he voted for it. The biggest extension of qua...

Baroness Park of Monmouth | 701 c463-4 (Link to this contribution) I want to ask some worm’s-eye questions. If this is going to happen, we are told that the EU missio...

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 701 c465 (Link to this contribution) I think that I am about to die. It is said that before an individual dies, their whole life flashes ...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c449 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord suggesting that there is something improper, or not quite right, about Members of ...

Lord Dykes | 701 c448-9 (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches welcome the proposals in the Lisbon treaty for the new developments involving th...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c449 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the noble Lord and save him having to repeat these observations again and again. ...

Lord Dykes | 701 c449 (Link to this contribution) Unless I am mistaken, the noble Lord was not in his place on the previous occasions; that was all de...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c450 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord, Lord Dykes, help me on this question we have come to a number of times: the freq...

Lord Dykes | 701 c449-50 (Link to this contribution) It is up to Members of the Committee to make their own judgments about the fact that there is a simi...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c445-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand that the Conservative Party is not going to take part in this amendment, so we will be ...

Lord Bach | 701 c444-5 (Link to this contribution) No discussion on the European Commission can take place in this House without first acknowledging th...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c448 (Link to this contribution) I shall address Amendments Nos. 11 and 12 because they both reflect a shift—which one may or may not...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c446-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 11: 11: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article 1...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c457-8 (Link to this contribution) This has been a very interesting, though brief, debate. The noble Lord, Lord Willoughby de Broke, by...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c457 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to say anything which would lose the friendship of my noble friend Lord Willoughby de ...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c455-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 12A: 12A: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c454-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, who—having been involved centrally to interpret what was decided in...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c458 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for attempting to answer my concerns. I say to my noble friend L...

Lord Dykes | 701 c450 (Link to this contribution) That was precisely the point I was making last week, so I do not want to take too much of the Commit...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 701 c454 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord consider the possibility that the quotation that he advanced from Mr Peter Hain...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c454 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his perfectly reasonable defence of the situation as we now find i...

Lord Bach | 701 c451-3 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 11 excludes paragraph 5 of new Article 9D. As the Committee heard, that paragraph will...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c450-1 (Link to this contribution) I start with a brief comment on the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Howell. He put all the emphasi...

Lord Hurd of Westwell | 701 c439-40 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, because he has directed us away from detail—although this...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c438-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 10A: 10A: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 701 c442 (Link to this contribution) I speak as a former member of the European Commission. The speeches of the noble Lords, Lord Pearson...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 701 c440-2 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Pearson and I am grateful to the noble Lord,...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c438 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c444 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that there much representation is made. The European Union Select Committee of this ...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 701 c444 (Link to this contribution) Given that this legislation is in draft form, does not my noble friend agree that all sorts of repre...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c443 (Link to this contribution) That was exactly what I was saying. In fact, codecision means that the European Parliament is unable...

Baroness Ludford | 701 c443 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord accept that that is not the case? In the majority of legislation now and in prac...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c443 (Link to this contribution) Yes, there is codecision, but the view of some of us is that that amounts to an advisory and not a l...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c443 (Link to this contribution) Codecision.

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c442-3 (Link to this contribution) It is no good anybody shouting ““Minister””; my name is on the amendment. The noble Lord, Lord Clint...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c442 (Link to this contribution) I—

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c496 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has completely missed the point I was trying to make. It was that Governments have a ...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c495-6 (Link to this contribution) This is an important point. It is important that we are clear on it. As my noble friend was saying, ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c496 (Link to this contribution) The point that the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit, was making was important. If there is a change of Govern...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c495 (Link to this contribution) Is it yes or no?

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c495 (Link to this contribution) I cannot answer yes or no because I want to explain exactly what I mean. The noble Lord asks the que...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c495 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is making a point about treaties. I am making a point about the policy which is t...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c495 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I was using the treaty as an example. The noble Lord is not incorrect in saying that if you ...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c492-4 (Link to this contribution) I will reach that point as I go through the amendments. I will not forget the point about unanimity....

Lord Tebbit | 701 c494-5 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister be clear about this? Is she saying that there are no circumstances in which a Brit...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c495 (Link to this contribution) What I am saying to the noble Lord is that when one signs up to an international treaty, and the nob...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c500 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 15A: 15A: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, after ““excluding”” insert— ““(i) Article...

Lord Bach | 701 c502 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House be resumed. In moving the Motion, I suggest that the Committee stage be...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c498 (Link to this contribution) It would not be by separate primary legislation because under the provisions relating to the decisio...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 701 c498-500 (Link to this contribution) This debate has elicited contributions of staggering authority that I have felt privileged to listen...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c496-8 (Link to this contribution) If we get into the acquis communautaire, we could be here for a very long time. I was trying to make...

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 701 c498 (Link to this contribution) Would that be by primary legislation?

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c488 (Link to this contribution) I know that noble Lords want to move on but I feel that I should speak very briefly to Amendment No....

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 701 c486-7 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to spend too much time on this; we have had a long debate. I make one or two points be...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c488 (Link to this contribution) The best wine does not always go into the biggest bottles.

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c488 (Link to this contribution) I begin by congratulating the noble Lord, Lord Pearson of Rannoch, on his brevity.

Lord Tebbit | 701 c491 (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Baroness give us any examples of the European Court finding against deeper and further...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c488-91 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. To the noble Lord, Lord Owen, who is not in his place at the moment, I should say that I am...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c491 (Link to this contribution) It depends what the noble Lord means by ““deeper and further integration””? There is a lot of case l...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 701 c491 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord, Lord Slynn, was replying to what I had said. We thought that what he sai...

Baroness Ashton of Upholland | 701 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) The interesting thing is interpretation, which is what I was saying to the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit. ...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c492 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Owen, asked about unanimity on the External Action Service. The response was th...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c477-8 (Link to this contribution) I would like to add my support to the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Howell and to e...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 701 c478 (Link to this contribution) Surely the essence of that is that the UK agrees that its policy will be constrained when it so agre...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c478 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and so the question comes down to how much of our policy we choose and how much we allow to ...

Lord Tugendhat | 701 c474 (Link to this contribution) I, too, was in Brussels at that time and have recollections of the Council. I am sure my noble frien...

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 701 c475 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the noble Lord remembers a debate that he and I had on Sky television at the time o...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c475 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, had the provisions of Maastricht gone through in the sense of this country submitting itself...

Lord Owen | 701 c475-6 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to speak for obvious reasons. I will have a glass of water. I may have to stop, but I am ...

Lord Owen | 701 c476-7 (Link to this contribution) If it will be unanimous, then I am encouraged to hear that and my understanding of the treaty is wro...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 701 c482-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Symons, has dealt formidably with the question of how far the UK can retain...

Lord Tugendhat | 701 c484-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, because I agree with much of what she said, particula...

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 701 c482 (Link to this contribution) That is very interesting but I do not know how even the noble Lord can argue that the words ““change...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c482 (Link to this contribution) This sentence was, as the noble Baroness said, long fought over, and she fought very strongly for it...

Lord Tomlinson | 701 c482 (Link to this contribution) ““Clear”” is the word.

Lord Blackwell | 701 c482 (Link to this contribution) It is very clear why that was done because it allowed both sides to interpret the sentences as they ...

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean | 701 c481 (Link to this contribution) I am startled by the intervention of the noble Lord, Lord Blackwell. He was among that group of peop...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c482 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Baroness. The wording of these sentences, as she well knows, was ver...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 701 c478 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me that the noble Lord has failed to take the excellent advice from my noble friend Lord...

Lord Blackwell | 701 c478-80 (Link to this contribution) We are not talking about past policies of the European Union. We are talking about how the policies ...

Lord Tebbit | 701 c474 (Link to this contribution) I put it another way. They followed once we had acted. There would have been little chance of their ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 701 c468-70 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord’s argument had a certain contradiction. He talked about the danger of our being put i...

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