Parliamentary search - Children and Young Persons Bill [HL]

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2007-08

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Department for Children, Schools and Families

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House of Lords Grand Committee

Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 8-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
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Lord Northbourne | 697 c568GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, associate myself most strongly with the amendments. I should have been happy to put my name ...

Lord Adonis | 697 c569-72GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham—as do other Members of the Committee—brings huge experience and expe...

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Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c561-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 67: 67: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause— ““Custody Assistance...

Lord Judd | 697 c572GC (Link to this contribution) Once again my noble friend has, as the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, said, illustrated his commitment...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c528-9GC (Link to this contribution) I do not know what the cost implications of this would be, but I know that the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Lord Adonis | 697 c525-7GC (Link to this contribution) I completely share the concern of the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, that young people who leave car...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c522GC (Link to this contribution) I have little to add to the excellent explanation of the amendment by the noble Lord, Lord Judd, and...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c520-2GC (Link to this contribution) I give general support to Amendments Nos. 38, 42 and 45, and I will speak in particular to Amendment...

Lord Adonis | 697 c535-6GC (Link to this contribution) Since the publication of the Framework for the Assessment of Children in Need and their Families in ...

Lord Judd | 697 c539-40GC (Link to this contribution) If we have any sense of social solidarity whatsoever, every Member of the Committee should ask thems...

Earl of Listowel | 697 c546GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister would be kind enough to help me with a couple of questions. First, with regard ...

Earl of Listowel | 697 c551GC (Link to this contribution) I hope the Minister can help me with a question about how human rights compliance would be ensured w...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 697 c565-7GC (Link to this contribution) Time is against us, but I rise to support Amendment No. 67 and to speak to my Amendment No. 79. I ha...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c567GC (Link to this contribution) Children in custody are particularly vulnerable and the criminal justice system contributes to an ad...

Baroness Thornton | 697 c567GC (Link to this contribution) My name is on Amendment No. 79 and I should like to say a few words in support of my noble friend La...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c567GC (Link to this contribution) I shall be extraordinarily brief, but it is crucial that enough of us are hugely in support of these...

Lord Hylton | 697 c567-8GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support these amendments as strongly as I can. I do so for one reason. I believe that if we ...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c558-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 63: 63: Clause 13, page 11, line 14, after ““must”” insert ““— (a)”” The nobl...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c558GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister very much indeed for his response, and I understand the comments that he made. ...

Lord Adonis | 697 c560-1GC (Link to this contribution) Regular visits by a social worker to looked-after children have rightly been identified as one of th...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c560GC (Link to this contribution) Again, in the interests of speeding things up, I will just say that we very much support the amendme...

Lord Judd | 697 c561GC (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness agree that not only is it not satisfactory but that it is positively disrupt...

Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c573-4GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for the care he has taken in answering and explaining what the Go...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 697 c574GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until 2 pm tomorrow afternoon.

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c555-6GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Sharp and I added our names to Amendments Nos. 62 and 66 tabled in the name of ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c518GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that the Minister may not be able to answer my question about trafficked children now, ...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c518GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, does so, may I ask the Minister a question? Will all the issue...

Lord Adonis | 697 c518GC (Link to this contribution) Yes.

Lord Judd | 697 c519-20GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 38: 38: Clause 9, page 7, line 2, leave out ““schools”” and insert ““education...

Lord Northbourne | 697 c514-5GC (Link to this contribution) I support the two points made by my noble friend Lord Hylton; namely, the stability and continuity o...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c513-4GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, support these amendments, whose provisions vary across several clauses and have been referre...

Earl of Listowel | 697 c509-10GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 28: 28: Clause 8, page 6, line 6, leave out subsection (2) The noble Earl sai...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 697 c511GC (Link to this contribution) I should inform the Committee that, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments Nos. 29...

Lord Judd | 697 c513GC (Link to this contribution) These amendments overlap and support one another, which re-emphasises the significance of the issue....

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c511-2GC (Link to this contribution) I should like to speak to Amendments Nos. 29 and 31 in my name. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Wal...

Lord Ramsbotham | 697 c529GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. For the past eight years, I have been trying to do something about speech, ...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c527-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 49: 49: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Provision of commu...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c529GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. Again, I am somewhat surprised that we have not heard more details of this ...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c524-5GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 48: 48: Clause 10, page 7, line 35, at end insert— ““(8C) Where a local author...

Lord Judd | 697 c523-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his characteristically sympathetic reply on my amendments. I found what he ...

Lord Judd | 697 c523GC (Link to this contribution) As far as my amendments are concerned—

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c534GC (Link to this contribution) I could not help but think back to before the Children and Young Persons Act 1969 when exactly that ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c535GC (Link to this contribution) We welcome this amendment. Although people are working hard to provide the best possible care for ch...

Lord Adonis | 697 c540-3GC (Link to this contribution) As Minister with responsibility for disabled children, I have no cause dearer to my heart than impro...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c537-8GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 54: 54: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Care prevention th...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c543GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his lengthy reply. I also thank other noble Lords who participated in this ...

Lord Rix | 697 c543GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his lengthy response regarding the legal position. Listening to it...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c544-5GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments, especially Amendment No. 58, in my name, and those of the noble Lord, Lord...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c545-6GC (Link to this contribution) I speak to Amendments Nos. 58 and 59, and give notice that I shall not be moving Amendment No. 60. ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c547-8GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response and all other Members of the Committee for taking part. On an ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c551GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the point that the Minister made. It would be utterly inappropriate to make it a rule t...

Baroness Verma | 697 c549GC (Link to this contribution) We strongly support the idea that local authority provision of care should be compliant with relevan...

Lord Adonis | 697 c551GC (Link to this contribution) I think I need to consider this further before I give a specific answer. I have highlighted that we ...

Lord Adonis | 697 c552GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 57: 57: Clause 11, page 9, line 6, at end insert— ““(1A) After section 25B of ...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c551-2GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply and the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, for his helpful interven...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 697 c567GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure the Minister will recall that I am a benevolent Member of the Committee and that I have be...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c568GC (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches support these amendments.

Lord Adonis | 697 c557-8GC (Link to this contribution) Now that I understand what the noble Baroness is saying, perhaps I could reflect on it further and c...

Lord Adonis | 697 c557GC (Link to this contribution) I am informed that the effect of the amendment would be to impose a duty on local authorities to vis...

Lord Judd | 697 c554-5GC (Link to this contribution) I enthusiastically support the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher. I have said bef...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c556GC (Link to this contribution) The transitional stage of care is often one of the most difficult stages. Indeed, this stage of life...

Lord Adonis | 697 c552GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61: 61: Clause 13, page 10, leave out lines 33 to 37 and insert— ““(b) a child...

Lord Adonis | 697 c515-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am mortified that the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, regretted only the growing chasm between hers...

Lord Adonis | 697 c518GC (Link to this contribution) I will certainly study the noble Baroness’s remarks with care. We published the UK Action Plan on Ta...

Lord Hylton | 697 c514GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 8 and this group of amendments enable us to discuss two important issues. I suggest that it w...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c512-3GC (Link to this contribution) I have some amendments in this group: Amendments Nos. 32, 33, 34 and 46. Despite physical appearance...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 697 c512GC (Link to this contribution) I believe that the figure given by the noble Baroness came from the Government. I am not sure that i...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c527GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his explanation of Amendment No. 48. Notwithstanding all the entitlements t...

Lord Adonis | 697 c523GC (Link to this contribution) It is true that the effectiveness of Clause 9 in improving educational stability depends on the inte...

Lord Adonis | 697 c522-3GC (Link to this contribution) I have just been informed that it is the birthday of the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, today. If I ma...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c532-4GC (Link to this contribution) There is undoubtedly an unanswerable case for the precept that is represented by the amendments and ...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c530GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply, but it occurs to me that, even though an IRO who has the necessa...

Lord Adonis | 697 c536GC (Link to this contribution) Writing includes electronic forms of writing.

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c536GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister and Members of the Committee who have taken part in the debate for their commen...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c539GC (Link to this contribution) The subject of the amendment is vital. Members of the Committee have spoken to it most eloquently, s...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c536GC (Link to this contribution) So we have moved on somewhat from the discussions that took place in 2004 and we are all modern and ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c543-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 55A: 55A: Clause 11, page 8, line 21, at end insert— ““( ) A local authority m...

Lord Adonis | 697 c546-7GC (Link to this contribution) In addition to the provisions of Clause 11, we will set out in regulations a description of the IRO ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c547GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister, although he seemed to reply to everyone but me. I wonder what he might say abo...

Lord Adonis | 697 c547GC (Link to this contribution) I can immediately say more than that. We mean those words at their face value. I will read the remar...

Lord Adonis | 697 c549-50GC (Link to this contribution) Respecting the human rights of looked-after children and young people is a fundamental aspect of goo...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c568GC (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that time’s winged chariot is bearing down on us and I shall speak only for a brief per...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c561GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. However, I must confess that I profoundly disagree with him t...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c560GC (Link to this contribution) In supporting the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, on these two amendments, I shall keep my remarks ver...

Lord Judd | 697 c564-5GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the amendment and to speak to Amendment No. 68. In supporting the amendment, I imm...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c561GC (Link to this contribution) It is disastrous for a child to have an endless sequence of people visiting him or her. I must not p...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c572GC (Link to this contribution) I tender a sincere and heartfelt apology to the Minister. When I heard the quotation from the corres...

Earl of Listowel | 697 c572GC (Link to this contribution) There have been no suicides in local authority secure units, whereas there have been in other parts ...

Lord Adonis | 697 c556-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that I do not immediately have to hand the statistics that the noble Baroness is seeking;...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c557GC (Link to this contribution) The problem that has been pointed out to me is not that the young person would not want a visit. The...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c557GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I ought to have made clear that I may not have got the wording of the amendment perfect. I p...

Baroness Meacher | 697 c552-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 62: 62: Clause 13, page 10, line 37, at end insert— ““(c) a young person aged ...

Earl of Listowel | 697 c518GC (Link to this contribution) I shall withdraw the amendment but before I do so—

Earl of Listowel | 697 c518-9GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I look forward to hearing further details of those young people ...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 697 c509GC (Link to this contribution) Before we start, I remind the Committee that if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitt...

Lord Adonis | 697 c529-30GC (Link to this contribution) There is an existing statutory duty on local authorities to ascertain the wishes and feelings of chi...

Lord Rix | 697 c528GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot understand why the Every Disabled Child Matters campaign has not been in touch with me abou...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 697 c525GC (Link to this contribution) First, I thank the Minister for wishing me a happy birthday. It was not published in the paper. Kate...

Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 697 c523GC (Link to this contribution) Are words to that effect likely to be placed in guidance to local authorities?

Lord Adonis | 697 c523GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that they will be, because we give guidance on everything. The answer is yes.

Lord Judd | 697 c523GC (Link to this contribution) Of course.

Lord Adonis | 697 c523GC (Link to this contribution) I hope that my noble friend will forgive me, but I completely forgot to reply to the noble Baroness,...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 697 c531-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 51: 51: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause— ““Recording the chil...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c532GC (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Sharp and I have added our names to the amendment, which was proposed to us by ...

Lord Judd | 697 c534-5GC (Link to this contribution) I warmly support the amendment. I am sure that all Members of the Committee agree that the intervent...

Lord Rix | 697 c538-9GC (Link to this contribution) I warmly welcome the joint announcement made by the Minister and the Minister for Care Services on M...

Lord Judd | 697 c544GC (Link to this contribution) I hope my noble friend will look at this amendment carefully because if what the noble Baroness has ...

Lord Hylton | 697 c546GC (Link to this contribution) I support the two amendments dealing with the independence of the reviewing officers. It seems to be...

Baroness Walmsley | 697 c548-9GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 56: 56: Clause 11, page 8, line 25, at end insert— ““(aa) monitor the complian...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c549GC (Link to this contribution) I support everything that has been said so lucidly and with such conviction by the noble Baroness, L...

Lord Adonis | 697 c551GC (Link to this contribution) I shall write to the noble Earl on that.

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 697 c551GC (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful.

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