Parliamentary search - Climate Change Bill [HL]

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697 c851-92

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2007-08

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Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

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Committee stage

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Climate Change Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 9-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 November 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Redesdale | 697 c890 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for a late Christmas present. We on these Benches rarely receive such a respons...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c890-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 119: 119: Clause 25, page 13, line 20, leave out paragraph (b) The noble Lord...

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c889-90 (Link to this contribution) These Benches also identify with this amendment. I hope that the Minister, in keeping with his respo...

Lord Rooker | 697 c890 (Link to this contribution) I need not take long. I recognise the arguments and, in fact, agree with them. I am in no position t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c891-2 (Link to this contribution) I note what the Minister has said on this. When he talks of the committee not having an executive ro...

Lord Rooker | 697 c891 (Link to this contribution) On this related matter I have come armed with an incredibly long speech, much of which was covered b...

Lord Oxburgh | 697 c891 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can comment on that. It seems to me quite important, when considering the role of the comm...

Lord Redesdale | 697 c889 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 117: 117: Clause 25, page 13, line 13, leave out ““negative”” and insert ““aff...

Lord Teverson | 697 c888-9 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I am misunderstanding the noble Lord, but we already have all sorts of targets in other area...

Lord Soley | 697 c888 (Link to this contribution) With respect, that is a little too woolly. If you do the counting and find a way of doing it, you tr...

Lord Rooker | 697 c886 (Link to this contribution) This runs across more than one department. As I say, the Government are already involved in internat...

Baroness Byford | 697 c886-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the fullness of his response. I have two questions. At the end of his speec...

Lord Rooker | 697 c887 (Link to this contribution) Not really, because on the first point we ought to leave it to the committee anyway. Let us not assu...

Lord Greenway | 697 c887 (Link to this contribution) I have not intervened in the Committee before, but I have been listening to the Minister and I reinf...

Lord Rooker | 697 c887 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Greenway, for bringing in a practical voice, so it i...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c887-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. If the amendments have served no other purpose, they have at ...

Lord Teverson | 697 c888 (Link to this contribution) This has been an excellent, and long, debate. The best comment was that of the noble Lord, Lord Cric...

Lord Rooker | 697 c883-6 (Link to this contribution) We have had an excellent debate in just over an hour on what is a crucial issue. Some of the speeche...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c892 (Link to this contribution) With that assurance from the Minister, I am happy to withdraw the amendment. I thank him very much f...

Lord Rooker | 697 c892 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 697 c854 (Link to this contribution) I have one supplementary question to ask, following on from my noble friend Lord Cathcart. The Oxfor...

Earl Cathcart | 697 c855 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 105: 105: Clause 20, page 10, line 33, leave out subsection (2) The noble Ear...

Lord Rooker | 697 c856 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl raised the issue of Bali and talked about the onset of a new US Administration and wh...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 697 c855 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend rises to respond, I have to say that I am mildly surprised by the Minister’s ...

Earl Cathcart | 697 c855 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Brooke for the three useful definitions which emphasise my point. I als...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c858 (Link to this contribution) Which units are used in carbon trading? It is so obvious that it must be the same all the way around...

Lord Rooker | 697 c858 (Link to this contribution) I say at the outset that I am more than happy to take the amendment away to consider it, so that get...

Duke of Montrose | 697 c857 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 107: 107: Clause 21, page 11, line 9, at end insert— ““( ) Regulations specify...

Earl Cathcart | 697 c856-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his full explanation and for looking again at redrafting this provision. I ...

Lord Rooker | 697 c858 (Link to this contribution) There are four types of carbon unit under the Kyoto Protocol and there is the EU allowance under the...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c858 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to go on, but I do not think that I am probably the only person who totally fails to unde...

Lord Rooker | 697 c858 (Link to this contribution) That is difficult because I can explain some but not all the units. While I am reading out these des...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c859 (Link to this contribution) I almost could go around the Chamber and say, ““Hands up anybody who understood a single word of wha...

Lord Rooker | 697 c859 (Link to this contribution) There was a hand up at the back. To put it crudely in black and white, under that list of units, som...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 697 c859 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may join this little party. I am sorry to ask my noble friend if he remembers that at Seco...

Lord Rooker | 697 c859 (Link to this contribution) I am getting into deep water here. I do not have the answer to that. I simply say to my noble friend...

Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c860 (Link to this contribution) Before we finally leave this subject, I feel that we are in danger of reopening a debate that we hav...

Lord Teverson | 697 c859-60 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the master class in this difficult area, one that I certainly do not unders...

Lord Rooker | 697 c860 (Link to this contribution) I have nothing further to add, but that was the central theme of our earlier debates on buying allow...

Lord Rooker | 697 c851 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c852-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 101: 101: Clause 19, page 10, line 21, at end insert— ““( ) That power may onl...

Earl Cathcart | 697 c854 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 103: 103: Clause 19, page 10, line 23, leave out ““or expedient”” The noble E...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c853 (Link to this contribution) Presumably the targeted gases will have to be internationally scientifically agreed, will they not? ...

Lord Teverson | 697 c853 (Link to this contribution) From these Benches, I certainly support this approach in principle in this instance. Our own view, a...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c854 (Link to this contribution) I am tempted to move on quickly. I await with bated breath the Minister’s further contributions. I b...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 697 c871-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Crickhowell for his contribution. I always like his blend of cautious i...

Lord Crickhowell | 697 c870-1 (Link to this contribution) Exactly, but a noble Lord on the Cross Benches with great experience of foreign affairs commented in...

Lord Soley | 697 c874 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend, with his knowledge, has managed to sum up rather more rapidly than I some of the th...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 697 c874 (Link to this contribution) Does my noble friend agree that UK or European legislation cannot address this issue by itself? Is i...

Lord Soley | 697 c872-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. I intervene briefly, and say, first, that as I have not spoken on t...

Lord Dixon-Smith | 697 c877-8 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to join this discussion after so many contributions because virtually everything has been...

Lord Hunt of Chesterton | 697 c876-7 (Link to this contribution) I was concerned by the remarks of the noble Earl, Lord Onslow, in which he implied that curbing avia...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 697 c875-6 (Link to this contribution) It is an illusion to believe that accepting these amendments will solve the problem. It will not. Pr...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c875 (Link to this contribution) There is an important issue on this. I do not like phrases such as ““giving a lead””, ““showing an e...

Lord Oxburgh | 697 c878 (Link to this contribution) I have a great deal of sympathy with the arguments which have been made by the supporters of this am...

Lord Crickhowell | 697 c879-80 (Link to this contribution) The point that the noble Lord has just made about the busiest shipping lanes in the world brings out...

Lord Redesdale | 697 c879 (Link to this contribution) I rise because my name is added to the amendment. The issue is that, as many noble Lords have pointe...

Lord Crickhowell | 697 c880 (Link to this contribution) Only in the sense that the Europeans have produced a scheme which deals with one particular aspect, ...

Lord Teverson | 697 c881 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Woolmer, has repeated that charge two or three times but it is not the case. I ...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c880-1 (Link to this contribution) What has characterised the discussion so far is that everyone in this Chamber seems to agree that av...

Lord Redesdale | 697 c882 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is talking about taxation and trading. This section of the Bill refers to measurement...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c881-2 (Link to this contribution) I had in mind the noble Lord, Lord Taylor. A careful reading of Hansard tomorrow will certainly show...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 697 c882-3 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 115 states, ““leave out ‘do not’””. I was drawing an analogy with other goods and serv...

Lord Teverson | 697 c864 (Link to this contribution) Clause 22 is crucial, because it relates back to Clause 1, around which the Bill revolves, and defin...

Duke of Montrose | 697 c863-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 110: 110: Clause 22, page 11, line 36, after ““gases”” insert ““expressed in c...

Earl Cathcart | 697 c863 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his explanations on Amendments Nos. 108 and 109. I was slightly disappointe...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c863 (Link to this contribution) Instead of using the words ““or otherwise ‘keeping track of‘’””, would it not be easier to use ““tra...

Lord Rooker | 697 c862-3 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, as the noble Earl says, the amendments in the group concern the scope of the regulations ...

Earl Cathcart | 697 c861-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 108: 108: Clause 21, page 11, line 11, leave out ““or otherwise keeping track ...

Duke of Montrose | 697 c860 (Link to this contribution) This debate has been a useful way of opening up the area. However, I wonder whether we would be bett...

Lord Teverson | 697 c865 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for his excellent explanation of my question. I am now fully satisfied that i...

Lord Rooker | 697 c865-6 (Link to this contribution) I was going to be much more mundane in answering the noble Lord’s question by saying that he needs t...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c866 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is being as helpful as he possibly can, but I noticed when he was explaining that even ...

Duke of Montrose | 697 c868 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. [Ame...

Lord Rooker | 697 c867-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall take that away and look at it but I believe that I said yesterday that some 85 per cent of o...

Lord Crickhowell | 697 c869-70 (Link to this contribution) I agree with a great deal of what the noble Lord has just said in moving his amendment. He said that...

Lord Teverson | 697 c868-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 115: 115: Clause 25, page 13, line 9, leave out ““do not”” The noble Lord sai...

Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 697 c866 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister answers that question, may I add a supplementary? My noble friend has just said ...

Duke of Montrose | 697 c867 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for defining the basis on which we are looking at the matter when he spoke abou...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c867 (Link to this contribution) What we are all trying to do is to bring the letterbox issue as near to the statute as possible beca...

Lord Clinton-Davis | 697 c870 (Link to this contribution) In the first place, is it not incumbent upon the Government to try to get an agreement through ICAO ...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c886 (Link to this contribution) Can I draw from that that, deep in the bowels of the ministry of transport, somebody is devilling aw...

Lord Rooker | 697 c853 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the noble Earl back to our debates. If he looks at Clause 64, he will see listed the six K...

Lord Rooker | 697 c892 (Link to this contribution) I know the precise point I made on the previous debate, on the point to which the noble Lord has jus...

Earl of Selborne | 697 c874-5 (Link to this contribution) Whether we can agree with the noble Lord, Lord Soley, that it would be unrealistic to pass these ame...

Earl of Onslow | 697 c880 (Link to this contribution) Has anyone made an effort to produce a scheme, or the skeleton of a scheme, which could be worked on...

Earl of Selborne | 697 c864 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister responds to that, perhaps I may add my pennyworth. Clause 12(2)(a) states, "““st...

Lord Rooker | 697 c866-7 (Link to this contribution) I know that we are legislating for and on behalf of the public, but the idea that a copy of the Bill...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 697 c854-5 (Link to this contribution) I have yet to be compared to Humpty Dumpty in this House, but there is a first time for everything. ...

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Climate Change Bill (HL) 2007-08

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