Parliamentary search - Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Baroness Neuberger | 694 c673-4 (Link to this contribution) The Minister made a valiant attempt to tell us that all will be well. She told us how all the local ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c671-3 (Link to this contribution) I too have a massive speaking note, which I shall discard and try to address as quickly as possible ...

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Baroness Neuberger | 694 c670-1 (Link to this contribution) I, too, had prepared a quite lengthy speech for these clause stand part debates but, like the noble ...

Earl Howe | 694 c669-70 (Link to this contribution) I had prepared a great deal to say about these clauses, but I am going to spare the Committee the pl...

Lord Rea | 694 c669 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may speak briefly to Amendment No. 252A, which the noble Baroness did mention early on in ...

Baroness Meacher | 694 c666-9 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to the clause stand part Motions in relation to Clauses 229, 230 and 231. In so doin...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c666 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 240 to 242: 240: Clause 227, page 160, line 3, leave out ““, or issue guidan...

Earl Howe | 694 c666 (Link to this contribution) It is a little unusual to have a reply to an opposition amendment before the amendment has even been...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c665-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 239: 239: Clause 227, page 158, line 42, after ““State”” insert ““that may be ...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c678-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 242E is consequential on Amendments Nos. 242C and 242D. The noble Earl, Lord Howe, has...

Earl Howe | 694 c677-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 242C: 242C: Clause 232, page 162, line 37, leave out ““significant”” The nobl...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c679 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I, too, can enter these discussions in the right spirit. I stress that we take these iss...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c679 (Link to this contribution) I reinforce that point, because it is significant. The admirable way in which it has been illustrate...

Earl Howe | 694 c674-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 242ZA: 242ZA: Clause 232, page 162, line 35, after ““services”” insert ““and m...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c674 (Link to this contribution) They were not piloted, I think, because we thought that the lessons about new ways of working were b...

Earl Howe | 694 c677 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her reply and for her offer to write to me, which I look for...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c676-7 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure I can give the noble Earl the comfort that he seeks. I shall do my best, but I fear th...

Baroness Meacher | 694 c674 (Link to this contribution) The Minister did not respond to the point about the need for pilots. She just said that delaying wou...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c674 (Link to this contribution) We listened in particular to the patient forums saying that they wanted closure and an end to uncert...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.

Earl Howe | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, as I was, incidentally, for her remarks on Amendments Nos....

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) It would be useful for the record to clarify the position on strategic health authorities. The advic...

Earl Howe | 694 c682 (Link to this contribution) I shall reflect very carefully on what the Minister said about strategic health authorities. I apolo...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c680-2 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 242G seeks to make it explicit that the duty on PCTs to report on consultation should ...

Earl Howe | 694 c680 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 242G: 242G: Clause 233, page 163, line 36, after ““the”” insert ““public”” Th...

Earl Howe | 694 c679-80 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for saying that she will do that. That is most helpful. As the noble B...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c650 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can reassure the noble Earl. I quite agree with him; I cannot conceive of an organisation ...

Earl Howe | 694 c650 (Link to this contribution) That was a slightly disappointing reply although it was not wholly unexpected. The principal point I...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c648-50 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is quite wrong because sometimes I do not know what I am going to say. I am departin...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c648 (Link to this contribution) I follow on with a brief word on Amendment No. 238S. Following what the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and t...

Lord Rea | 694 c647-8 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak briefly to Amendment No. 238Q. It is self-explanatory. Its purpose is to provide ind...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c645-6 (Link to this contribution) I very much want to read what the noble Baroness said but I still have a lingering doubt at the back...

Earl Howe | 694 c646 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Howe, makes an important point. We will wish to study carefully what the Mi...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c645 (Link to this contribution) I take the point about protocols, and I commit to writing to the noble Earl to see whether, in the t...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 694 c656 (Link to this contribution) If noble Lords watched the ““Panorama”” programme on care homes earlier this year, they would have s...

Earl Howe | 694 c654-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238VD: 238VD: Clause 225, page 156, line 22, leave out ““view”” and insert ““i...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c652 (Link to this contribution) I hope the noble Earl, Lord Howe, will be proved wrong, and that the Minister will be able to reassu...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c652 (Link to this contribution) This is an interesting and sympathetic proposal. We have always made it clear that LINks can work to...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c652-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her response. I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for pointing out ...

Earl Howe | 694 c653 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238T: 238T: Clause 224, page 155, line 42, leave out ““dealing with”” and inse...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c650-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238R: 238R: Clause 223, page 155, line 36, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in the...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c662 (Link to this contribution) That is part of the evolutionary nature of the boards of governors. The relationship between boards ...

Baroness Meacher | 694 c662 (Link to this contribution) Our own PPI chairman has decided that PPI is not the place to be. She has become a member of a board...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c661-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that contribution, not least because the noble Baroness is so experienced; I pay t...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c657 (Link to this contribution) The amendment goes to the heart of this legislation. We are all deeply concerned that LINks will not...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c657-9 (Link to this contribution) These are indeed important amendments and I want to reassure noble Lords in different ways. I am gra...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c656 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments strikes at the core of our concern. Frankly, one is given the impression th...

Earl Howe | 694 c659 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that we all understand that conditions have to be attached to these visits; there is no ar...

Baroness Meacher | 694 c659-61 (Link to this contribution) I will introduce a very different note. I should first declare an interest. I am the chairman of a m...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 694 c659 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may intervene before the noble Earl winds up. I cannot see that visitors will endlessly po...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c659 (Link to this contribution) One thing that I did not make clear was that LINks will be able to enter and view only communal area...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) A LINk report that covered the entire spectrum of health and social care, with every significant and...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c662-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238AB: 238AB: Clause 227, page 158, line 41, leave out ““person preparing it””...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 694 c663 (Link to this contribution) Who is going to receive the report?

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 694 c663 (Link to this contribution) What about Members of Parliament?

Baroness Andrews | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) Why not Members of Parliament, and Peers?

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Baroness admitted that the drafting of Clause 227 was somewhat complex, she provided ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) That is an interesting question. The nature of the contract that the local authority would hold with...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask one more brief question on this. The Minister said that lots of people would be ve...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c643 (Link to this contribution) I support everything that the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has said. I shall add a few words on Amendment ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c643 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to the two amendments in my name, which are also probing amendments. In Amendment No. ...

Earl Howe | 694 c642-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238M: 238M: Clause 223, page 155, line 24, at end insert ““nor a provider of l...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c643-5 (Link to this contribution) These amendments raise some important issues and I am pleased to have the chance to discuss them. We...

Earl Howe | 694 c645 (Link to this contribution) That was a helpful reply from the Minister, for which I am most grateful. Its only disappointing asp...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c653-4 (Link to this contribution) At one level, Amendments Nos. 238T and 238U address a detailed semantic issue, the like of which we ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c663 (Link to this contribution) That is a devastating question; I will think about it while I am answering the first question. I am ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 694 c671 (Link to this contribution) I shall add my words extremely briefly. I have listened to the debate with considerable interest bec...

Earl Howe | 694 c650 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly be glad to follow that up. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by l...

Earl Howe | 694 c651-2 (Link to this contribution) I believe and hope that the Minister will reassure the Committee that there is nothing to prevent LI...

Baroness Neuberger | 694 c664 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for everything that she said. She rightly says that she has not wholly...

Earl Howe | 694 c646-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 238P: 238P: Clause 223, page 155, line 34, at end insert— ““(5A) The Secretary...

Earl Howe | 694 c654 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ““deal with”” with the Minister’s helpful reply by thanking her for it. I am in part r...

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