Parliamentary search - Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

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694 c89-124

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2006-07

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Department for Communities and Local Government
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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c104 (Link to this contribution) In speaking to Amendment No. 212 in this group, I am also concerned that many local partners which p...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c103 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209CC: 209CC: Clause 108, page 69, line 34, leave out sub- paragraph (ii) The...

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Lord Greaves | 694 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for looking at this matter quite so seriously, as it is important...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c102 (Link to this contribution) I hope to give the noble Lord reassurance on both sets of amendments. As regards Amendments Nos. 209...

Lord Greaves | 694 c100-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209CB: 209CB: Clause 108, page 69, line 33, after ““being”” insert— ““( ) the ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c98-100 (Link to this contribution) This debate on the notion of partnership, especially as it concerns the voluntary sector, very much ...

Lord Tyler | 694 c97-8 (Link to this contribution) I support the points that my noble friend Lord Greaves has just made but from the perspective of a d...

Lord Greaves | 694 c97 (Link to this contribution) I have one amendment in this group, which is Amendment No. 209CAC. This group is about the bodies th...

Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment No. 210 in this group. I am grateful for the comments of my noble friend earlier on...

Lord Greaves | 694 c123-4 (Link to this contribution) That was a more disappointing answer than the last one that I got on diversity, but I will read Hans...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c124 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c120 (Link to this contribution) It would wake some people up if I did not do so. I realise that the current climate change Bill will...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c119-20 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 212RB: 212RB: Clause 116, page 73, line 29, at end insert— ““(4) In determinin...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) As noble Lords will know by now, we are trying to drive coherence across an area, and that coherence...

Lord Greaves | 694 c122 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 214ZA: 214ZA: Clause 118, page 75, line 10, at end insert— ““( ) If a responsi...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c121-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 214: 214: Clause 117, page 75, line 7, at end insert— ““( ) After section 9 in...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) The targets will reflect priorities. Of course nobody will be for worklessness; the issue is how you...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) I reiterate that these arrangements give added purpose and focus to local politics because the local...

Lord Greaves | 694 c118-9 (Link to this contribution) It does not feel very much like that in local government at the moment. It is right to say that thin...

Lord Greaves | 694 c115 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 212ZA: 212ZA: Clause 110, page 70, line 20, at end insert ““but, where such a ...

Lord Greaves | 694 c116 (Link to this contribution) I am always happy to be optimistic but it does not always work out like that. If the Minister thinks...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) It is unlikely that there would be a conflict. It is rather counterproductive to have a conflict in ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to join the noble Lord in his gesture of defiance; I am passionately in favour of lo...

Lord Greaves | 694 c117 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 212ZB: 212ZB: Clause 110, page 70, line 20, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in th...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) As for the social targets that will be negotiated, it is hard to think of a political party that wou...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Baroness say what would be the position of the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, or someone ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) We are talking about two processes. When the targets are negotiated with the local authority by the ...

Lord Greaves | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for that response. It explained how discussion and negotiation will work between ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) That is my understanding. It is the person or organisation charged with delivery.

Baroness Andrews | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the noble Lord has or that I quite understand the point. The idea of a negotiated...

Lord Greaves | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for that. The Minister seems to think that national indicators will be set to giv...

Lord Greaves | 694 c114 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 211B: 211B: Clause 109, page 70, line 14, at end insert— ““(4) A decision by t...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her usual—I was going to say ““urbane””, but I mean ““competent””—reply to ...

Lord Greaves | 694 c115 (Link to this contribution) I shall give the Minister six and a half out of 10 for that, which is probably a pass. Guidance is b...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has raised an important point. For the new statutory LAAs to work, there is no doubt ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the opportunity to write.

Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. The provision does refer to, "““such representatives of local government (in...

Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 211: 211: Clause 109, page 70, line 6, at beginning insert ““where, in additio...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can reassure the noble Baroness, because I think that she has possibly misread Clause ...

Lord Greaves | 694 c112 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Baroness has answered a question that I was going to ask later—so I will not ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c109-12 (Link to this contribution) This is an important group of amendments because it focuses on the role of the Secretary of State an...

Lord Greaves | 694 c109 (Link to this contribution) I have two amendments in the group. Amendment No. 212CA is on a different issue altogether and I sha...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c109 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 212BA, which is tabled in my name, is a little gem among this large group of amendment...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 211A: 211A: Clause 109, page 70, line 6, at end insert ““only in respect of na...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness and the noble Lord for raising these issues. On Amendment No. 20...

Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) The difficulty may be that there will be confusion and differences between the local targets that th...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) I think that that can be achieved through Clause 115, which states that the responsible local author...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) The Minister tells us that we will get a great deal from the guidance. I reiterate the plea made ear...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) It was a common-sense plea that we need to see a draft if we are to make sense of some of the points...

Lord Greaves | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) A common-sense plea.

Baroness Andrews | 694 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) My admiration for Essex knows no bounds. It is at the leading edge of practically every new initiati...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209D: 209D: Clause 108, page 69, line 34, at end insert ““; and ( ) the compre...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c107 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 210B: 210B: Clause 108, page 69, line 40, leave out ““(including representativ...

Lord Hanningfield | 694 c107 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. My understanding is that the Audit Commission could be ready...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 209CAA would do exactly what the noble Baroness has just outlined. It also gives th...

Lord Geddes | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) I could have saved myself the breath. [Amendment No. 209BA not moved.]

Baroness Hanham | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209C: 209C: Clause 108, page 69, line 25, after ““authority;”” insert— ““( ) o...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c95-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. We need the figure 35 somewhere in writing. If the Minister say...

Lord Geddes | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) If Amendment No. 209ZBA is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 209BA due to pre-emption. [Amendm...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209A: 209A: Clause 107, page 69, line 2, at end insert— ““(1A) In this Chapter...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) One has to be common-sensical about this. The voluntary sector will contract with the local authorit...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that we will return to this because that raises again the question of the Secretary of Sta...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that. No doubt there would be implications because the voluntary sector is funded ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) That is obviously the right way to go about the work. My concern is the implications of this Bill. A...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) We cannot put a duty on the voluntary sector. The aim is simply to get it to sign up, to commit and ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c91 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209ZB: 209ZB: Clause 107, page 69, line 1, leave out paragraph (c) The noble ...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly try to help the noble Baroness. Clause 107(1)(c) is drafted very broadly because i...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c92-3 (Link to this contribution) The third sector could be involved in formulating a target as a contributor—I am thinking on my feet...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209ZA: 209ZA: Clause 106, page 68, line 35, after ““it”” insert ““and in doing...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c90 (Link to this contribution) The direction of the noble Baroness’s amendment has taken me slightly by surprise. The Government si...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I raised the amendment precisely to make the point about incorp...

Baroness Hanham | 694 c100 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Earlier we discussed the impact on residents of registered soci...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c120 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is absolutely right to say that this is an important matter, and it is rather nic...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) The amendment raises an important question. I shall demonstrate the distinction between designated t...

Baroness Andrews | 694 c120-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 213: 213: Clause 117, page 74, line 14, after ““England””;”” insert— ““( ) in ...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c122 (Link to this contribution) The other amendment in this group stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Scott. It would...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I have a question after listening to that exchange. I would like to understand some of the terminolo...

Baroness Hamwee | 694 c92 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I will do that. We will come to some of this later, but I question whether the third sector, as...

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