Energy Saving (Daylight) Bill. Second Reading debate. Agreed to on division (32 votes to 20). As fewer than 100 Members had taken part in the Division, Mr. Deputy Speaker declared that the Question was not decided in the affirmative. Debate adjourned until 2 February.
Energy Saving (Daylight) Bill
Debate on bills on Friday, 26 January 2007,
in the House of Commons,
led by Tim Yeo.
The answering
member was Jim Fitzpatrick.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
455 c1674-744 
Session
2006-07
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Andrew MacKay | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
With so many offers of support, does my hon. Friend agree that it was slightly unfortunate that the ...
Andrew Pelling | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend take account of the fact that London is almost as sunny as Bournemouth, and that...
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Tim Yeo | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for this overwhelming tide of support from all parts of the country. It makes me feel ...
Peter Bottomley | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
As my hon. Friend probably knows, when I was considering the matter 20 years ago, I thought that in ...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point. I intend to refer to Scotland in a moment, but the point th...
Tobias Ellwood | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
May I place on the record the support of Bournemouth borough council for the Bill? Has my hon. Frien...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
I warmly welcome the support of Bournemouth borough council, and I will also warmly welcome the supp...
David Kidney | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend confirm that not only has the Bill received support across the House of Commons,...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
I do confirm that, and I will refer to the other place more than once later.
Tim Yeo | 455 c1674 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. I do so reeling from my defeat in the Divisi...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1684-5 (Link to this contribution)
Be that as it may.
The advantages in quality of life terms are not confined to young people. Let me...
Russell Brown | 455 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
Or 11 o’clock, as my hon. Friend suggests. Dark mornings can make one just as grumpy as dark evening...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
Or 11 o’clock.
Russell Brown | 455 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman used the term ““grumpy”” and we can all be grumpy on occasions, but getting up on...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right, and that is one reason why I have included in the Bill a requirement for th...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman may be surprised to learn that for some reason I did not think that that wa...
David Kidney | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
Historically, the next biggest objectors to the change, after Scottish interests, have been farmers....
Tim Yeo | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
I have had representations from several faith groups and I recognise that the Bill would raise issue...
Denis MacShane | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
One of the advantages of the Bill would be to align Britain permanently with most of the European Un...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1686-7 (Link to this contribution)
That is exactly what they do. I have represented South Suffolk for 24 years and many more people now...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1686 (Link to this contribution)
If harmonisation of working hours with the European Union was such a strong consideration for the Ci...
Russell Brown | 455 c1688 (Link to this contribution)
Does not my hon. Friend realise that the Bill would be divisive? Different times in Scotland, Englan...
David Kidney | 455 c1687-8 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo) on both his success in the ballot and the...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
I can indeed confirm that. I have the letter here and I shall quote from it shortly.
Tim Yeo | 455 c1685-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point. Indeed, many of my constituents work in the City and the ch...
Andrew Pelling | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
In terms of the time zone being the same as the rest of the near continent, another clear interest i...
David Kidney | 455 c1688-91 (Link to this contribution)
I recognise that argument. If the Bill were successful, and if a Scottish Parliament were considerin...
Russell Brown | 455 c1691 (Link to this contribution)
The emphasis on the whole issue of climate change and energy-saving opportunities is welcome. My hon...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1680 (Link to this contribution)
Of course it is workable, but there is a difference between the UK and somewhere such as the United ...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1680 (Link to this contribution)
My Bill is designed simply to allow different parts of the United Kingdom to make up their own minds...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1679-80 (Link to this contribution)
In the hon. Gentleman’s historical diversion of a few minutes ago he referred to the difficulties th...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1680-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his saying that he would have supported the Bill but for tha...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1680 (Link to this contribution)
Because of the opt-out that the hon. Gentleman has included in the Bill, I cannot support it, althou...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1680 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think so. Broadcasting, which is obviously a much bigger factor than it was 40 years ago, i...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1680 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman think that a difficulty would arise from having different time zones, in tha...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1681 (Link to this contribution)
I will let my hon. Friend decide for himself whether he wants to support the Bill. The answer is tha...
Russell Brown | 455 c1681 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Carlisle (Mr. Martlew), who, like me, lives close to the border, has r...
Lord Beith | 455 c1681 (Link to this contribution)
There is a more immediate and practical point arising form the hon. Gentleman’s multiple time zone c...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1681 (Link to this contribution)
I do not claim that having a separate time zone for Scotland would not create difficulties for peopl...
Russell Brown | 455 c1681-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. He mentions Northern Ireland because it is further ...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
I will take one more intervention and then I really must make some progress.
Tim Yeo | 455 c1682-3 (Link to this contribution)
Apart from that last remark, I am very grateful for that intervention, with which I entirely agree.
...
Evan Harris | 455 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the hon. Gentleman recognises that the opposition that he is getting to the Bill is just...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1683-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is true that there are surges, but I recommend that the hon. Lady talks to the National Grid Comp...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1683 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman mentioned the surge in electricity use, but is it not commonly known that the rea...
Andrew Pelling | 455 c1684 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend mentioned SAD, the depressive effect of the nights closing in, which is especially re...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes a powerful and important point. Although there is a tremendous breadth of...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1676 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I might make a little progress with my speech.
I wanted a Bill that would benefit families ...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1676 (Link to this contribution)
My Bill was not announced until the beginning of December, so I do not think that the LGA has done t...
Russell Brown | 455 c1676 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman referred to the Local Government Association and its support for the Bill. I have...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1676 (Link to this contribution)
Unlike the present Government, I believe that as much local decision making as possible should be gi...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1676 (Link to this contribution)
During that flight of fancy about people getting up in the morning and going to work whenever they l...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1676 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman makes a point that I was going to make myself. He is respected for his inde...
Denis MacShane | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
Many of us come to work in the dark because of the congestion charge. I was here when the hon. Membe...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1677 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is too kind. The entertaining and informative book by David Prerau, available i...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1677 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. I congratulate him on introducing this mea...
Denis MacShane | 455 c1679 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman should be trying to keep Members on side.
Tim Yeo | 455 c1679 (Link to this contribution)
I entirely agree, and I shall refer later to my proposal for monitoring the effects of the experimen...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1679 (Link to this contribution)
Some Members I exempt from any such charge.
Some colleagues will recall the debate that surrounded ...
Richard Ottaway | 455 c1678 (Link to this contribution)
In supporting my hon. Friend’s Bill, may I point out to him that the clock is in truth a man-made de...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1677-8 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has made a most helpful point. Those tactics did spectacularly fail, and I dare say tha...
Evan Harris | 455 c1678 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Government, who pride themselves with some deg...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1678 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point. There is plenty of evidence from other countries to support...
Lord Young of Cookham | 455 c1709 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that that contradicts my point that the centre of gravity of the delivery round is no...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1709-10 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for North-West Hampshire (Sir George Young) and to ...
Lord Young of Cookham | 455 c1708-9 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come to that point. I very much hope that we end up with one time for the United Kingdom. Th...
Lord Beith | 455 c1709 (Link to this contribution)
What is happening is that each postman is delivering to more areas. The right hon. Gentleman’s post ...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1708 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the dilemma for that Secretary of State would be made easier were the opt-out not in the Bill...
Lord Young of Cookham | 455 c1706-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the balanced and thoughtful speech of the hon. Member for Edinburgh, Nort...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1707-8 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill’s sponsors are doing their best to lose their support on the Labour Benches with several of...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1706 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman is saying that he would not try to reinsert the provision were such an amendme...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1706 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman votes for the Bill and it gets into Committee, he could table an amendment to ...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1703-4 (Link to this contribution)
The other week I returned to my constituency in Edinburgh on the overnight sleeper. When I left Edin...
Russell Brown | 455 c1704 (Link to this contribution)
On the subject of children staying up later in the evening and perhaps feeling more sleepy in the mo...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1704-5 (Link to this contribution)
That is one of the reasons why I would like to study in much more details the arguments on both side...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1702 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that the Bill’s promoter does not expect the measure to proceed,...
Lord Beith | 455 c1702-3 (Link to this contribution)
I prefer the less cynical explanation that the hon. Member for South Suffolk included it because, li...
Lord Beith | 455 c1703 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, but the choice changes if it is about a different time zone, as that would influence whether Sc...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1705-6 (Link to this contribution)
That is an important point, to which I shall return.
There is great merit in examining the Bill in ...
Lord Beith | 455 c1702 (Link to this contribution)
Personally, I am not persuaded on the issue of dark mornings, but if those provisions did not featur...
Lord Beith | 455 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has demonstrated the difficulty of thinking on one’s feet while explaining some o...
Robert Key | 455 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
At what time does the right hon. Gentleman expect his post to be delivered at his constituency home?...
Lord Beith | 455 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
It depends what the nature of the benefit is. As I tried to explain to the hon. Member for Stafford,...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
We will just have to take the right hon. Gentleman’s claim that there will be 80 darker mornings but...
Speaker | 455 c1701 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I remind the hon. Gentleman about the conventions of parliamentary language, as I doubt wheth...
Desmond Turner | 455 c1701 (Link to this contribution)
I beg your pardon, Madam Deputy Speaker. I put it to the right hon. Gentleman that the difference be...
Lord Beith | 455 c1700-1 (Link to this contribution)
Between 8 and 8.30 am. The further one lives from the centre of town, the later the delivery. We hav...
Desmond Turner | 455 c1701 (Link to this contribution)
There would be 80 lighter evenings, too. You made the point that the difference between 4 and 5 o’cl...
Lord Beith | 455 c1701-2 (Link to this contribution)
That is the other side of the coin, and we have to balance two different arguments. There is a tende...
Russell Brown | 455 c1702 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman and I face similar circumstances on opposite coasts. If those provisions ha...
Justine Greening | 455 c1697 (Link to this contribution)
I tried to intervene on my hon. Friend the Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo) to make a point about ...
David Kidney | 455 c1697 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that if many planes take off an hour later, it will probably benefit millions of people who ...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1697 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not the time at which flights leave other countries that determines when they arrive here? The...
David Kidney | 455 c1698 (Link to this contribution)
Clearly, that is not quite right, because we have rules about the number of night flights permitted,...
Lord Beith | 455 c1698 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Beith | 455 c1698 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has been very good at not over-claiming, but if he is claiming that the Bill will...
David Kidney | 455 c1698 (Link to this contribution)
That is an unfair characterisation of my arguments. I gave the example of my playing rugby, but peop...
Lord Beith | 455 c1698-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to follow the hon. Member for Stafford (Mr. Kidney), who, for almost the whole of his s...
Desmond Turner | 455 c1700 (Link to this contribution)
I am a little puzzled as to why Berwick would suffer from 80 more dark mornings but have only 30 mor...
David Kidney | 455 c1696-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am completely with my hon. Friend when it comes to the desirability of all-weather surfaces for sp...
John Robertson | 455 c1696 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for giving way. He is most generous with his time. Does he agree that rugby w...
David Kidney | 455 c1696 (Link to this contribution)
I take that point. I suppose that this is personal and anecdotal, but I used to be a keen rugby play...
David Kidney | 455 c1695-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has got me there: because Alton Towers is secluded, lots of people drive there. There...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1695 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend inform the House how most of the visitors to Alton Towers make their way there a...
David Kidney | 455 c1694-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful. I gather that in 2004, Nottinghamshire carried out a poll and there was strong suppor...
Greg Knight | 455 c1694 (Link to this contribution)
May I add to the list the Yorkshire tourist board? It fully supports the Bill, as do I.
David Kidney | 455 c1694 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I have been clear all the way through not to over-claim. The number of casualties on th...
Lord Beith | 455 c1694 (Link to this contribution)
Why is the hon. Gentleman so confident that young children walking to school, as they are now encour...
David Kidney | 455 c1693-4 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, the studies by TRL and ROSPA show that the group that would most benefit would be those aged be...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1693 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think any Member would challenge any successful attempt to reduce the number of people who ...
David Kidney | 455 c1692-3 (Link to this contribution)
Astonishingly, the answer to that is yes I can. I have the figures in the Chamber with me but, if th...
John Austin | 455 c1693 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that a high proportion of the 100 lives lost are those of young children?...
David Kidney | 455 c1693 (Link to this contribution)
I say two things in response to that. First, my hon. Friend says that he does not dispute the eviden...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1692 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend speculate on what the situation would be if we did not change the clocks? Would ...
David Kidney | 455 c1692 (Link to this contribution)
There is actually a spike, which is normally in November and December, just after we have put the cl...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1692 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for the figures that he has just provided, but can he also provide the fi...
David Kidney | 455 c1692 (Link to this contribution)
The ROSPA findings are, as far as they can be, for across the country. There would also be savings i...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1692 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman talks about a reduction in accidents and the savings of lives, but are there peak...
Nick Harvey | 455 c1714 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady said a moment ago that it is important to change driver attitudes and to tackle the pr...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1714 (Link to this contribution)
Residual alcohol in the bloodstream is but one of the problems. We must also consider the wider prob...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1713 (Link to this contribution)
Does the experiment in Portugal not show that the evidence on this issue is inconclusive? Although t...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1713 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. There is no conclusive evidence that the issue with which th...
Russell Brown | 455 c1713 (Link to this contribution)
Opposition Members are asking what alcohol has to do with this issue, but in the area where I live, ...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1713 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right—residual alcohol in the bloodstream is clearly a problem. We must...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
My point is that schools in different authorities might have very different starting times—they migh...
Mark Lazarowicz | 455 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
As I said in my speech, if the Bill progresses I will want to have further consultations before dete...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1712-3 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely right. At present, things are settled and working well, but this change could be ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
If this Bill were introduced, would there not be stronger pressure for change in some places than in...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. We live in an age in which there is much more flexibility than previously i...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1711-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. He is absolutely right. I remind hon. Members of the p...
Russell Brown | 455 c1712 (Link to this contribution)
Does the same happen in my hon. Friend’s locality as happens in mine? Despite the fact that they are...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1711 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, but I believe that if the Bill became law and the changes took place, even as part of an ...
John Robertson | 455 c1711 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that experiments have been tried before and, although they were tried, we ...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1711 (Link to this contribution)
Yes. That is inevitable. If the Bill is passed and is applied to England, the opt-in will not really...
Greg Knight | 455 c1711 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the hon. Lady rather running ahead of the argument that we are having today? The Bill seeks t...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1710 (Link to this contribution)
As the Bill is drafted, it would have no effect on my hon. Friend’s constituency. Does she mean that...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1710 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his useful intervention. It would certainly become an issue.
My cons...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1710 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Lady not think that if the Bill came into force she might then be lobbied by a great m...
Russell Brown | 455 c1717 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that and I say to the hon. Gentleman that some of us are not normally here but many mil...
Robert Key | 455 c1717 (Link to this contribution)
I would make two points. First, I have listened with almost disbelief as Labour Scottish Member afte...
Robert Key | 455 c1717-8 (Link to this contribution)
No, I certainly will not give way to the hon. Lady.
My second point in response to the hon. Member ...
Robert Key | 455 c1716 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly support my hon. Friend the Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo) in introducing the Bill. I ...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1716 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right. We could go on and on listing such anomalies, but those arguments have ...
Robert Key | 455 c1717 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, which is exactly why I made my last point.
I am grateful to the hon. Member for Edinburgh, ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1717 (Link to this contribution)
Would not the hon. Gentlemen’s suggestion mean that in some parts of the UK people would be awake fo...
Robert Key | 455 c1717 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to give way to another Scot.
Russell Brown | 455 c1717 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Speaker | 455 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I remind the hon. Lady of my earlier remarks. Will she please concentrate on the Bill?
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1715-6 (Link to this contribution)
Certainly, Madam Deputy Speaker.
Although the Bill would allow the devolved Parliaments to make the...
Speaker | 455 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
Order. We are now straying wide of the Bill. Will hon. Members please concentrate on the clauses of ...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
I do not oppose this Bill only because I represent a Scottish constituency. I oppose it because I be...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1716 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is correct to point out that the Bill contains a false choice. The main anchor for UK ...
John Robertson | 455 c1714 (Link to this contribution)
As we know, people in the south of Scotland behave very responsibly when it comes to drink-driving. ...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not that sort of arrogant attitude from the Conservatives that led to their having only one Me...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
I refute that categorically. I have told the House before that I spend a lot of time in England. I h...
Greg Knight | 455 c1715 (Link to this contribution)
In essence, the hon. Lady is saying that although she represents a Scottish seat, she wants to preve...
Rosemary McKenna | 455 c1714-5 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Families function in a completely different way nowadays. Many m...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1718 (Link to this contribution)
I remind the hon. Gentleman of the experience—the actual rather than the hypothetical experience—of ...
Nick Harvey | 455 c1718 (Link to this contribution)
On that particular point, will the hon. Gentleman note that Portugal is considerably to our west and...
Robert Key | 455 c1718 (Link to this contribution)
Of course the hon. Gentleman is right. It is also right that we have a peculiar view of the geograph...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1718 (Link to this contribution)
A few moments ago, the hon. Gentleman was arguing for carbon reduction, but now he is arguing for ca...
Robert Key | 455 c1718-9 (Link to this contribution)
Not at all. I am talking about the importance of tourism and I am not sure that that is an argument ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1719 (Link to this contribution)
To turn that argument on its head, why is there no pressure on the likes of Frankfurt for them to ch...
Robert Key | 455 c1719-20 (Link to this contribution)
Because those financial capitals are running their economies closely to natural times and time zones...
Desmond Turner | 455 c1720 (Link to this contribution)
Unlike some of my hon. Friends, I strongly support the Bill. I congratulate the hon. Member for Sout...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1720 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend familiar with the fact that the experiment was ended on a free vote of the House b...
Desmond Turner | 455 c1720-1 (Link to this contribution)
All right. I will concede that I was possibly being a little mischievous.
I shall be brief because ...
Charles Hendry | 455 c1721-2 (Link to this contribution)
I begin by congratulating my hon. Friend the Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo), both on securing th...
John Robertson | 455 c1723 (Link to this contribution)
I am rather confused. Does the hon. Gentleman want more daylight or less daylight? If we sleep durin...
Russell Brown | 455 c1721 (Link to this contribution)
Can my hon. Friend explain why the three clauses relating to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland ha...
Desmond Turner | 455 c1721 (Link to this contribution)
I did not draft the Bill. Those clauses could perfectly well be removed in Committee. If they are th...
Charles Hendry | 455 c1724 (Link to this contribution)
If we made the proposed change, there would be a 7 per cent. increase in the office hours available ...
Greg Knight | 455 c1724 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making an extremely interesting speech, which contains a great deal of argument an...
Charles Hendry | 455 c1723-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am making a different point. People have said that greater human happiness will result from an inc...
Robert Key | 455 c1724 (Link to this contribution)
Strengthened.
Charles Hendry | 455 c1724 (Link to this contribution)
We are showing that there is great scope for further debate before running an experiment. By definit...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1725 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his kind remarks at the beginning of his speech and the construc...
Charles Hendry | 455 c1725-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a tempting offer. We will not prevent the Bill from progressing to the next sta...
Russell Brown | 455 c1726 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo) on securing a high place in the ballot fo...
Greg Hands | 455 c1726 (Link to this contribution)
I am intrigued by the anti-devolutionist view that the hon. Gentleman appears to present. Why is it ...
Greg Hands | 455 c1724 (Link to this contribution)
I am intrigued by the argument about the financial markets. I have worked in the New York financial ...
Charles Hendry | 455 c1724-5 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes an important point, based on his own experience, but what we would gain in our ...
Russell Brown | 455 c1726 (Link to this contribution)
I am not anti-devolution. I supported the Scotland Act and I support the Scottish Parliament. Perhap...
John Robertson | 455 c1726 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not the case that local, predominantly Scottish matters were devolved to the Scottish Parliame...
Russell Brown | 455 c1726 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely correct. As I have said, I am disappointed about the muddying of the wa...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1726 (Link to this contribution)
Whether or not the issue is devolved—controlled independently at the Scottish Parliament—is not the ...
John Robertson | 455 c1727 (Link to this contribution)
I must take issue with my hon. Friend. Other Members have mentioned tourism and its importance to Sc...
Russell Brown | 455 c1728 (Link to this contribution)
I am not convinced that I should have allowed my hon. Friend to intervene and do a job of work for V...
Russell Brown | 455 c1727 (Link to this contribution)
I note the sedentary comment of my hon. Friend, who is my regional Whip. He is exactly right, and we...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1727 (Link to this contribution)
We should think of the people of Northern Ireland too, because in all probability the Republic of Ir...
Russell Brown | 455 c1727 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the hon. Gentleman that the Bill could give rise to such complexities. With the greates...
Russell Brown | 455 c1726-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is correct. There are some real disadvantages to the proposal. I do not want anyo...
John Robertson | 455 c1729 (Link to this contribution)
To add to my hon. Friend’s story, the other reason was that, if we had gone out to play rugby and di...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1728 (Link to this contribution)
Although the Solway divides my hon. Friend and me, very little else does. Constituents of mine work ...
Russell Brown | 455 c1728-9 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right, although I am not sure that the Ministry of Defence will be too happy about...
Greg Hands | 455 c1731-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman must concede that people have to cross various time zones throughout the world, s...
Russell Brown | 455 c1731 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. To be honest, I cannot answer his question; the issue ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1729 (Link to this contribution)
Are not the two failed Portuguese experiments and the failed experiment in the UK indicative of the ...
Russell Brown | 455 c1729 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that that would have been repeated in many households.
People probably participate in mor...
Greg Knight | 455 c1730 (Link to this contribution)
Is not that last point totally erroneous? Most people’s first journey of the morning is to a fixed a...
Russell Brown | 455 c1730 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention, and I accept that there is a great deal of lo...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1731 (Link to this contribution)
How would heavy goods vehicles, which use tachographs, be affected by the different time zones?
Russell Brown | 455 c1730-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Some of the arguments that are being made in this ...
Russell Brown | 455 c1732 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to have taken the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. Perhaps I am demonstrating my ignora...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1735-6 (Link to this contribution)
I would dearly love to, but I do not have the figures to hand.
The lighter evenings will make the p...
Greg Hands | 455 c1733-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way again.
Often, the SNP cites examples of other small Europ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1733 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely welcome further devolution of powers from Westminster to Holyrood; indeed, I hope that ...
Greg Hands | 455 c1733 (Link to this contribution)
I am amazed by such a speech from a Scottish National party MP. The Bill enshrines the right of Scot...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1732-3 (Link to this contribution)
I add my congratulations to the hon. Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo) on his success in the ballot...
David Kidney | 455 c1735 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman tell us about the incidence of casualties on the roads during that Portugues...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1734-5 (Link to this contribution)
If the broadcasting system were indeed to adapt, we might review the situation, but we are dealing w...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1734 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely right, and I welcome the hon. Gentleman’s appreciation of independence throughout...
Robert Key | 455 c1736 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman keeps referring to Portugal, but is he not aware that it is so far south of Engla...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1736 (Link to this contribution)
On the contrary, if what the hon. Gentleman says is correct, the Portuguese would not have changed t...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1738 (Link to this contribution)
rose in his place, and claimed to move, That the Question be now put.
Question put, That the Questi...
John Robertson | 455 c1737-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Mr. MacNeil), who has spoken ab...
John Robertson | 455 c1738-9 (Link to this contribution)
I was talking about climate change. Our energy usage in this country is changing. The Select Committ...
Speaker | 455 c1738 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Will the Serjeant at Arms please investigate the delay in the No Lobby?
The House having div...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1736 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely take on board what the hon. Gentleman says, but I would argue that those countries were...
Greg Hands | 455 c1736 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has been very selective with his examples. Does he not agree that the changes of ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1736-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman says walking, but people might drive before they start their walk. Again, that wo...
David Kidney | 455 c1736 (Link to this contribution)
I mentioned walking.
John Robertson | 455 c1739 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, but the answer is no. We do not know how much the incre...
Speaker | 455 c1739 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Even for a Friday, that is going an awfully long way down memory lane. There is little time l...
Russell Brown | 455 c1739 (Link to this contribution)
I intervened on a previous speaker about the energy that was estimated to have been saved in the pre...
John Robertson | 455 c1741 (Link to this contribution)
I agree, and I note that the Minister agrees with me about the speech of the hon. Member for Wealden...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1741 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend mentioned the constructive speech of the hon. Member for Wealden (Charles Hendry), wh...
John Robertson | 455 c1740-1 (Link to this contribution)
That is a good point. As I have said, climate change and energy use are both factors. That cannot be...
Russell Brown | 455 c1740 (Link to this contribution)
As its title shows, the Bill is about energy saving. While it would have some benefits, as the debat...
John Robertson | 455 c1740 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, but I do not agree with his point. With the Olympi...
Robert Goodwill | 455 c1740 (Link to this contribution)
Surely the point is that while many children are taken to school by car, many more make their way ho...
John Robertson | 455 c1739-40 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for saving me from myself. I have probably given away too much inform...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1744 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend, who represents Hendon, has a very strong reputation for representing the interests o...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1744 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to put to my hon. Friend the Minister the same point that I put to the promoter of the Bill o...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1744 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I shall say in response to that that I have allowed myself to...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1743-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman accurately points out that I have the honour of being the appointed Minister for ...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1743 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman believes his own propaganda.
Greg Hands | 455 c1743 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has carefully skirted over the fact that he is the Minister for London. Will he comment...
Jim Fitzpatrick | 455 c1742-3 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for South Suffolk (Mr. Yeo) on his success in the private Members' ba...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1743 (Link to this contribution)
The inevitability of Scottish independence is such that we do not need this measure.
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1742 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it might become not just the English Conservative party, but the ...
John Robertson | 455 c1742 (Link to this contribution)
That is a good point.
I have been looking at the times of daylight and when the cut-offs are. The h...
John Robertson | 455 c1742 (Link to this contribution)
You are absolutely right, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I apologise. When I said ““you””, I meant everyone in ...
Speaker | 455 c1741 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that the hon. Gentleman might know why I have intervened. He has imputed a lot of thi...
John Robertson | 455 c1741 (Link to this contribution)
I hate this—I agree with the hon. Gentleman again. I have a feeling that, if the Bill goes through i...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1741 (Link to this contribution)
May I make it clear that concern for the Union does not motivate every Member who opposes the Bill? ...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
Employees and employers are a great deal more flexible today than they were 40 years ago when a simi...
David Howarth | 455 c1734 (Link to this contribution)
I have great sympathy with the hon. Gentleman’s position as the representative of a very westerly an...
Andrew Dismore | 455 c1685 (Link to this contribution)
I have come to listen to the debate and I have not made my mind up on the issue. However, I have one...
David Kidney | 455 c1691-2 (Link to this contribution)
I would answer my hon. Friend like this: the need to tackle climate change is urgent and if we are t...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1680 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that it will not be seen in that way. The confusion I referred to arose where there were lots...
Eric Martlew | 455 c1705 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill as it stands, with the amendment of the Scotland Act, would have no effect on my hon. Frien...
David Kidney | 455 c1698 (Link to this contribution)
Well, I have finished now, but I will take a last intervention.
Robert Key | 455 c1718 (Link to this contribution)
I am absolutely fascinated to discover that the Scottish nationalists are more interested in what ha...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1682 (Link to this contribution)
Some of us often take ferries to other time zones, and in fact, most people in the United Kingdom cr...
Lord Beith | 455 c1675 (Link to this contribution)
Before the hon. Gentleman gets carried away by the point made by the hon. Member for Worthing, West ...
Russell Brown | 455 c1696 (Link to this contribution)
In terms of people being active and taking part in sport and outdoor activities, I wholeheartedly ap...
Russell Brown | 455 c1729-30 (Link to this contribution)
Yes. That is an important point. It is about culture as much as anything else. It is not just about ...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1744 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the Minister on taking on board opinion from the fringes of the United Kingdom, such ...
Lord Young of Cookham | 455 c1708 (Link to this contribution)
That is a helpful intervention, but I am not sure that it answers my question: what is the position ...
Tim Yeo | 455 c1703 (Link to this contribution)
They will make the right choice.
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 455 c1730 (Link to this contribution)
Some of the proponents of the change are trying to encourage such adventurous journeys: a Member sai...
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