Police and Justice Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Clauses 15-27 agreed to, clause 22 as amended. Schedules 6-8 agreed to. New clauses considered. (Part 2 of 2)
Police and Justice Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Thursday, 6 July 2006,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
684 c404-68 
Session
2005-06
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Police and Justice Bill . Brought from Commons . Explanatory Notes HL Bill 104-EN also published
Thursday, 11 May 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Thursday, 11 May 2006
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Ramsbotham | 684 c444-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 139:
Page 24, leave out line 28 and insert ““and Community Safety””
The noble...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c448-9 (Link to this contribution)
I speak on behalf of my noble friend Lord Dholakia. First, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Ramsb...
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Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c443-4 (Link to this contribution)
I shall take the noble Lord’s drafting point first. It is right to say that the phraseology in this ...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c444 (Link to this contribution)
I say to the Minister that perish the thought that I would want to take a course that was not both h...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c441 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 138:
Page 22, line 26, after ““person”” insert ““aged 18 years or over””
The ...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c441 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the Minister’s reply and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by lea...
Lord Hylton | 684 c443 (Link to this contribution)
I am against unnecessary custody. While I am on my feet, I shall try to identify one small drafting ...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c442 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 138A:
Page 23, line 39, at end insert ““on bail””
The noble Baroness said: In...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c442 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that that faith is not misplaced. I am grateful to the Minister for that explanation. I be...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c441-2 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the noble Viscount’s concern, but I hope that I shall be able to assure him that it is ...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c436-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that response. I actually failed to make my remarks on whether Clause 23 sh...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c437-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 129B:
Page 19, line 27, at end insert-
““(8) A person is eligible to be the re...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c438-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 130A:
Page 20, line 22, at end insert-
““(9) A person is eligible to be the re...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c439-40 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 137A:
Page 22, line 19, at end insert-
““28B TREATMENT OF ORGANISATIONS PERFOR...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c440-1 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 23 provides for the making of an order by the Secretary of State to enable local authorities ...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c433-4 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister indeed gives me a good deal of comfort and I know that, in many ways, not so much divid...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c434 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. We totally agree on the need for prevention and continuity of s...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c434 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. If we go right back to the beginning, everything that we are doing with children, in the nu...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c435-6 (Link to this contribution)
If we were to agree with the noble Baroness’s amendment, it would drive a significant hole through o...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c434-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 127:
Page 17, line 18, leave out from beginning to end of line 31 on page 18.
...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c432 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for pointing that out. It was not my intention to put parenting orders...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c432-3 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that to be the case. I reiterate that we think it is beneficial to intervene early befo...
Lord Hylton | 684 c430 (Link to this contribution)
I support a number of amendments in this group, particularly Amendments Nos. 126A, 126B, 128, 129A a...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c430-2 (Link to this contribution)
I hoped that the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, would be pleased by these clauses for the reasons h...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c427-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 126A:
Page 16, line 33, leave out ““, or is likely to engage,””
The noble Bar...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c428-30 (Link to this contribution)
I will speak to Amendments Nos. 128 and 129 in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Anelay, and ...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c426-7 (Link to this contribution)
I was going to say that the noble Lord simply said that he had heard my speech before, and that I of...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken so eloquently on behalf of my amendment. I say...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I shall respond to the points made by the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, and the noble Lord, Lord Judd, ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c424 (Link to this contribution)
I was trying to make the point that I do not have those statistics in front of me, and I do not have...
Earl of Listowel | 684 c424 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response to these concerns. Given the widespread anxieties expressed in...
Lord Judd | 684 c424 (Link to this contribution)
I was very grateful to my noble friend for responding to my point about solidarity. Does he agree th...
Lord Hylton | 684 c424 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister withdraw his remark about pontificating?
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c424 (Link to this contribution)
Sorry, I was being slightly florid in my language—““debating and considering””.
Baroness Stern | 684 c424 (Link to this contribution)
I want to come back to the question of the Cross-Benchers’ ability to work out statistics. The Minis...
Earl of Listowel | 684 c419-21 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to express my strong support for the amendment and give noble Lords some figures from ...
Lord Hylton | 684 c423 (Link to this contribution)
I notice that there has not been a single supporter of the status quo in the debate. Will the Govern...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c468 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c467 (Link to this contribution)
This is the end of a very long day on the Police and Justice Bill. It is always very nice when the G...
Lord Ramsbotham | 684 c462 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for responding with her customary courtesy and fluency, and for covering a larg...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c463-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 139A:
After Clause 27, insert the following new clause-
““RACE EQUALITY DUTY
T...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c461-2 (Link to this contribution)
The way in which it will work is that the inspectorate will be able to identify the inspectors who s...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c458-60 (Link to this contribution)
I have rarely been showered with such compliments. ““Extreme folly””, ““stupid””, ““silly””, ““witho...
Baroness Billingham | 684 c461 (Link to this contribution)
I want to clarify the points that my noble friend is making. The department seems to be saying that ...
Lord Hylton | 684 c456 (Link to this contribution)
I guarantee to be brief. Over the years I have visited individual prisoners in all the prisons of No...
Earl of Sandwich | 684 c455-6 (Link to this contribution)
I have a feeling that the Minister will say that we are mourning a death prematurely, but I do not k...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 684 c456-8 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to speak in strong support of the amendments proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, to ...
Lord Acton | 684 c454 (Link to this contribution)
Like my noble friends Lady Gibson of Market Rasen, Lord Dubs and Lord Borrie, who expressed his grea...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 684 c454-5 (Link to this contribution)
I regret the lack of scrutiny in the other place of the matters to which the amendments refer. No do...
Earl of Listowel | 684 c455 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham. I look forward to t...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 684 c449-50 (Link to this contribution)
Briefly, I support Amendments Nos. 148 and 149 in particular, and what has been said by the noble Lo...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 684 c450-1 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that this group of amendments will either persuade the Government to adopt them, or that they...
Lord Dubs | 684 c451-2 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, the arguments that he used and, in...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c407-11 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate for the thoughtful way in which the...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c412-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 115:
After Clause 20, insert the following new clause-
““COLLECTION OF DATA
Th...
Baroness Henig | 684 c411-2 (Link to this contribution)
As ever, my noble friend has gone some way to reassure me. I have listened very carefully to everyth...
Baroness Darcy de Knayth | 684 c413 (Link to this contribution)
Very briefly, having also been enthused by the briefing to the Guide Dogs for the Blind Association,...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 684 c413 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment, to which I have added my name. I am also grateful to the Guide Dogs for the...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c415 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for the partial reassurance that he gives. I look forward to any ...
Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 684 c415-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 116:
After Clause 20, insert the following new clause-
““Children subject to A...
Baroness Stern | 684 c418-9 (Link to this contribution)
My name is also to the amendment. I rise to support the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, and the nobl...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 684 c405 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Henig; in particular, Amendment No. 111. I shal...
Baroness Henig | 684 c404-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 104:
Page 13, line 24, at end insert ““, provided the councillor has first con...
Lord Hylton | 684 c407 (Link to this contribution)
All the amendments in this group have their merits. The drafting of the whole clause could be greatl...
Viscount Bridgeman | 684 c405-7 (Link to this contribution)
I speak to the amendments in this group in the name of my noble friend Lady Anelay and myself. They ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c423-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is for the courts to decide. We, here, pontificating and arguing the case in the House of Lords o...
Baroness Stern | 684 c452-4 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment. I begin by making it clear that although the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, m...
Lord Judd | 684 c417-8 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness in her amendment and hope very much that my noble friend on the Front B...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I was not seeking to be disparaging in any way. I want to make one point. The noble Baroness falls i...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c413-5 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that what I am about to say will be viewed as very positive. It is certainly intended to be. ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 684 c421-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, for moving the amendment and giving us the bene...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 684 c465-6 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may say how much I welcome the speech of the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, because she ably...
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