Education and Inspections Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on division (458 to 115). Programme motion for proceedings in Committee, on Report and Third reading agreed to on division (300 to 290). Money resolution agreed to on question (formal). Ways and means resolution agreed to on question (formal).
Education and Inspections Bill
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 15 March 2006,
in the House of Commons,
led by Ruth Kelly.
The answering
member was Lord Willetts.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
443 c1462-572 
Session
2005-06
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Education and Inspections Bill. Explanatory notes Bill 134-EN also published.
Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Bills
House of Commons
Schools white paper: higher standards, better schools for all. Government response to the Education and Skills Select Committee first report session 2005-06 (HC 633).
Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Command papers
House of Commons
Tuesday, 28 February 2006
Command papers
House of Commons
Schools white paper: higher standards, better schools for all. Education and Skills Select Committee first report, in two volumes, with proceedings (HC 633 i-vii not printed separately), evidence and appendices.
Wednesday, 25 January 2006
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Wednesday, 25 January 2006
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 443 c1462 (Link to this contribution)
Before I call the Secretary of State, I must announce to the House that I have not selected the reas...
Speaker | 443 c1539 (Link to this contribution)
Order. As a significant number of Members are still seeking to catch my eye in this debate, in accor...
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Speaker | 443 c1462 (Link to this contribution)
Before I call the Secretary of State, I must announce to the House that I have not selected the reas...
Alan Whitehead | 443 c1470 (Link to this contribution)
We see in the Bill a requirement that local authorities must abide by the code of admission, but we ...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1470-1 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very important point. It is right that hon. Members should have the opportuni...
Simon Hughes | 443 c1469-70 (Link to this contribution)
My local council and all the MPs for the area will work with any Government to improve standards, wh...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1470 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has completely misunderstood the proposals before the House. There is no financia...
Ann Cryer | 443 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
With regard to catching up, I am really concerned about one of the schools in my constituency—I have...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend presents me with a challenge, but a welcome challenge. That is why the schools commis...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady mentions fair funding. Can she explain why, since 2000, the gap between the best...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the hon. Gentleman makes the point about Liberal Democrat authorities. The Government...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, whom I know will vote in favour of reducing academic selectio...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1468-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a point that is relevant to any community school that is working with a spe...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
I do, and that is an important point. Getting right the careers information, advice and guidance to ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1468 (Link to this contribution)
One of the things that concerns me and my colleagues is the issue of double standards when it comes ...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1468 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is quite right to say that we do not want inappropriate trusts to work with our s...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1468 (Link to this contribution)
I very much agree with the point that the Secretary of State makes about trusts encouraging co-opera...
Linda Gilroy | 443 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
On the question of schools collaborating to have a trust, I welcome the statement that my right hon....
Angela C Smith | 443 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome what my right hon. Friend has just said about collaborative trust working. Does she think ...
Margaret Moran | 443 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
Is my right hon. Friend aware that the majority of secondary and college heads in my constituency to...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
Clearly, the hon. Gentleman has not been seeking the views of his local government colleagues. He on...
Andrew Dismore | 443 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my right hon. Friend will continue to encourage trust schools. As a former sceptic about...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1465 (Link to this contribution)
I can give my hon. Friend the commitment that there will be no financial inducement for schools to b...
David Gauke | 443 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
A few weeks ago in the White Paper, the Government’s position was that there should be no new commun...
Speaker | 443 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
Order. One page was enough.
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1466 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend was making a very important contribution, because academies can be vital in raising s...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1465 (Link to this contribution)
I can tell the hon. Lady that I have spoken to dozens of schools that are interested in becoming tru...
Clive Betts | 443 c1465 (Link to this contribution)
On potential inducements to schools to become trusts, there is an element of suspicion about the Wal...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1465 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State said that she would not force community schools to become trust schools. Howe...
Lord Blunkett | 443 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
In relation to the establishment of wholly new schools, will my right hon. Friend confirm that it wi...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the very interesting proposition put forward by my right hon. Friend. The CPA criterion...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Wallasey (Angela Eagle), and then to the hon. Memb...
Angela Eagle | 443 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my right hon. Friend. Many colleagues on this side of the House have been worried about the ...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1463 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I know that she takes this issue especially seriously,...
Lord Beamish | 443 c1463 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend assure the House that her Department will not prevent community schools by...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1464 (Link to this contribution)
I can certainly give that assurance. Trust schools will be funded on exactly the same basis as any o...
Angela C Smith | 443 c1477 (Link to this contribution)
I listened carefully to what the hon. Gentleman had to say about reform. Does he agree that one of t...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1477-8 (Link to this contribution)
There is a serious problem with access to special needs. In Liverpool last week I spoke to parents o...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1477 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that phonics is an important part of the literacy teaching arrangements there.
There is a...
Michael Clapham | 443 c1477 (Link to this contribution)
On the point about evidence, has the hon. Gentleman looked at charter schools in America? Has he loo...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1476-7 (Link to this contribution)
This is the sort of false distinction that we hear. If I remember rightly, what we used to hear in 1...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the right hon. Member for Greenwich and Woolwich (Mr. Raynsford) and then I will ...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
It is indeed one of the significant problems, to which my hon. Friend rightly draws attention, that ...
Greg Clark | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
The number of people getting good GCSEs may have improved, but is my hon. Friend aware that the numb...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
I will do so after I have accepted an intervention from my hon. Friend.
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman explain to the young people in my constituency who have seen a massive impro...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
There has been some modest improvement. [Interruption.] Yes, I am not going to deny that. As I recal...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to the hon. Member for Tooting (Mr. Khan).
Lord Willetts | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
That is complete nonsense. We know, sadly, where the problems of failure are concentrated: in some o...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
I had better just check. There are many clauses to which I am not able to give an unambiguous welcom...
Sadiq Khan | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that he unambiguously welcomes clause 40?
Lord Willetts | 443 c1474-5 (Link to this contribution)
I will in a moment.
Our weaker schools are concentrated, as I hope the hon. Gentleman would agree, ...
Michael Connarty | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not significant that the areas with the deepest pits of failure are the areas that the Tories ...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman should contemplate the important question of why, despite the large increases in ...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
I see a neighbour from Portsmouth.
Adrian Bailey | 443 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Barker of Battle | 443 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State said that there would be no selection for foundation schools, but can she con...
Mary Creagh | 443 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome what my right hon. Friend has said about the improvement to school meals, minimum nutritio...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
I do not agree with my hon. Friend. The introduction of the duty on diversity was made to meet a ver...
Lord Bellingham | 443 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, and not only that. I can tell my hon. Friend that in future all looked-after children will also...
Joan Walley | 443 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
On that point, will it be the case that parents who want to name a trust school for their statemente...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1473-4 (Link to this contribution)
No, that will not be the case. Only schools that are specialist schools in those subjects will be ab...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
Raising standards in education is one of the most important tasks facing any Government, and any res...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
No, I must make progress.
The Bill will ensure that young people have a right to a high quality voc...
Desmond Turner | 443 c1471 (Link to this contribution)
I have a particularly serious allocation problem in my constituency. I am certainly given no confide...
Tony Baldry | 443 c1471 (Link to this contribution)
The admissions policy for most of the secondary schools in my patch is based on catchment area follo...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1472 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Eltham (Clive Efford) who, I know, has strong feeli...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1471-2 (Link to this contribution)
On the first point, if the policy changes, it will be tougher rather than the status quo. Issues suc...
Clive Efford | 443 c1472 (Link to this contribution)
Have I interpreted what my right hon. Friend has just said correctly? Does that mean that selective ...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1472-3 (Link to this contribution)
I have given commitments to Members that any local authority with a good track record that proposes ...
Paul Farrelly | 443 c1472 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I am a little behind my right hon. Friend’s words, because I am still trying to fat...
Jon Trickett | 443 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
On the very point about community schools and the Secretary of State’s veto, is it not a fact that c...
Louise Ellman | 443 c1463 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased to hear the Secretary of State make it clear that she will not force existing schools t...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1462-3 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
Today, I set out before the House a Bill wh...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1478-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. This is in danger of becoming a seminar on Finnish education, a...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
I hope to make some progress, but I must of course give way to the Chairman of the Education and Ski...
Barry Sheerman | 443 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
As Chairman of the Select Committee, I took the Committee to Finland to look at certain aspects of e...
Alan Simpson | 443 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I was beginning to get the feeling that had I been stark n...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to turn to the question of fragmentation and diversity in a moment. I hear a lot about ...
Alan Simpson | 443 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Willetts | 443 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
For some strange reason, the hon. Gentleman was unable to catch the Secretary of State’s eye, so I a...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
It is true that they had access to capital on a different basis, because they did not have access to...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
In a moment.
Socialism was once described as the longest route from capitalism to capitalism, and w...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to the hon. Member for Warrington, North (Helen Jones).
Helen Jones | 443 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
The main difference between the hon. Gentleman’s Government and this one is the investment that has ...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to the hon. Member for Waveney (Mr. Blizzard), who has a long-standing interest in educat...
Bob Blizzard | 443 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
Before entering Parliament, I taught in one of the Conservative Government’s independent state schoo...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
We have heard a great deal about grant-maintained schools, which have been caricatured. Two points h...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
What about capital?
Anne Snelgrove | 443 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Martin Salter | 443 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman, who leads for the Opposition on education, has indicated his support for the Bil...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State has duplicated the provisions in the School Standards and Framework Act 1998,...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
I shall try to make some progress, as hon. Members on both sides of the House wish to speak in the d...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1481 (Link to this contribution)
If that is the community’s position I would not oppose single-sex Muslim schools. If schools wish to...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1481 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to make some progress, and I hope that it will not be too uncomfortable for Government...
Gordon Prentice | 443 c1481 (Link to this contribution)
On the new duty to promote diversity, do we need many more single-sex Muslim schools?
Peter Kilfoyle | 443 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
Many Labour Members would object to any preferential funding for any school if we are to treat all c...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1480-1 (Link to this contribution)
I accept that structural changes are not the whole answer to the challenge of raising standards in s...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
There are excellent Conservative members of the Select Committee, and I thought that their minority ...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman support specialist schools? Does he agree that they should have distinctive ...
Tom Levitt | 443 c1485 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to respond. All the comprehensive schools in my constituency are specialist schools, and ...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1483 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed. The regulations are extraordinary. As I understand it, the purpose of such an interview is f...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1483 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to make progress, as I want to consider two crucial concerns about the Bill. The first...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
Let me make progress on this very important point, because it matters enormously to us on the Conser...
Tom Levitt | 443 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
I owe it to the hon. Gentleman to give him a chance to take a breath. Is there not a world of differ...
Lord Barker of Battle | 443 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
On my hon. Friend’s point about clarity and honesty, is it not bizarre that in clause 40, on the pro...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1482-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. For specialist schools, there is selection by aptitude for 10 per cent. of ...
Lord Bellingham | 443 c1483 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making a superb speech. Clause 40 states that schools may not interview potential ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 443 c1499-501 (Link to this contribution)
I am confidently expecting, at the end of this debate, to take part in Divisions that will give the ...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1496 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman underlines the point that I am trying to make. Wealthy areas often have young peo...
Sadiq Khan | 443 c1496 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady expressed concern about poorly performing schools and said that local authorities shou...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1496 (Link to this contribution)
I will come to that later.
I want to move on to the roles of central and local government. For all ...
Speaker | 443 c1496 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Private conversations are breaking out. The House must listen to the hon. Lady who is address...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1496-7 (Link to this contribution)
Hon. Members are still trying to decide how to vote.
How can anyone believe that the Government are...
Barry Sheerman | 443 c1497-8 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the hon. Member for Brent, East (Sarah Teather). It is her first time on the Front Be...
Lynne Jones | 443 c1499 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the problem that we have to judge the Bill without knowing what the code of practice will con...
Barry Sheerman | 443 c1499 (Link to this contribution)
When we took evidence on that, we were happy that the code of admissions would be tougher. It had al...
Meg Hillier | 443 c1505 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not agree that, compared with the factors that he is describing, there is a ...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 443 c1501-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. I am conscious of the fact that the Labour Front Bench, my Fr...
Lynne Jones | 443 c1502 (Link to this contribution)
: Will the right hon. and learned Gentleman give way?
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 443 c1501 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way in a moment.
The problem is obvious. Before we get to our resounding majority in t...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1501 (Link to this contribution)
: I was a head teacher when the right hon. and learned Gentleman was Secretary of State, and I know ...
Lord Maples | 443 c1504-5 (Link to this contribution)
I share the lukewarm support expressed by the right hon. Member for Greenwich and Woolwich (Mr. Rayn...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 443 c1502 (Link to this contribution)
I literally have no time.
We must tackle the question of selection. It is bizarre that, in order to...
Speaker | 443 c1502 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The right hon. and learned Gentleman’s time is up.
Linda Gilroy | 443 c1506 (Link to this contribution)
: Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Maples | 443 c1505-6 (Link to this contribution)
I wish that I thought that that was true; however, the hon. Lady is absolutely right to mention this...
James Clappison | 443 c1508-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Knowsley South (Mr. O’Hara). On balance, I think that m...
Phil Hope | 443 c1509 (Link to this contribution)
Of course they are.
James Clappison | 443 c1509-10 (Link to this contribution)
We can debate that in the context of the Bill’s provisions on curricula and entitlements. However, o...
Lord Maples | 443 c1506 (Link to this contribution)
No. I am not particularly arguing for the creation of new grammar schools, because there may be othe...
Linda Gilroy | 443 c1506 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Maples | 443 c1506 (Link to this contribution)
No, I am in the middle of making a point. That way, bright children from poor backgrounds who are cu...
Edward O'Hara | 443 c1506-8 (Link to this contribution)
Like other speakers, when I read the White Paper I was profoundly depressed. The expression that cam...
Lord Blunkett | 443 c1486-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that Members on both sides of the House will understand the nerves of a new Back Bencher. ...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1489 (Link to this contribution)
I shall give way when I have finished this section of my speech. Be patient, please.
The opportunit...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1488-9 (Link to this contribution)
The Bill is an eclectic mix of proposals, some of which we broadly welcome, such as the, albeit tent...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1489 (Link to this contribution)
We would like admissions to be controlled by the local authority; we do not think it appropriate for...
Steve McCabe | 443 c1489 (Link to this contribution)
According to a Liberal Democrat press release, schools would be required to take a certain number of...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1489 (Link to this contribution)
As I explained, although we welcome those proposals, there are so many other aspects of the Bill tha...
Mark Hendrick | 443 c1489 (Link to this contribution)
Given that the Bill does so much to improve discipline in classrooms, why do the hon. Lady and her p...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1490 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has not listened to what I said. That is not what I said. I said that we were opp...
Sadiq Khan | 443 c1490 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady has just explained why she is not in favour of giving schools autonomy on discipline. ...
Tom Levitt | 443 c1490 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is making points rather than arguments. The thrust of what she seems to be saying is t...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 443 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
Due to the hon. Lady’s rationing policy on interventions, I must refer back to her remarks on admiss...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1490-1 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady knows that the Conservatives who now run the Isle of Wight council were bequeathed a f...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1490 (Link to this contribution)
Because, as I was about to point out, some of the problems with the Bill will make it difficult to i...
Dari Taylor | 443 c1491-2 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady acknowledge that she has only read the Bill in part? I chair the all-party group ...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
As we have said, we want to implement the Tomlinson report, which means using building blocks in a m...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
The provision that the hon. Lady has mentioned will be introduced by regulation and is not part of t...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
I shall certainly look at that point. [Interruption.] I have been in this job for one week, and if I...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
I shall come to that point later in my speech. We do not oppose that approach—in fact, we welcome it...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 443 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady explain how it squares with Liberal philosophy to oppose giving more freedom to s...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
We all agree that the Bill is complicated, and one needs copies of about four Acts and five statutor...
Bob Spink | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way—she is being quite generous. Will she take this opport...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
I believe in decentralisation, but I do not believe in devolving power on admissions.
Meg Hillier | 443 c1492 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is confusing me, because one moment she talks about devolving power locally, while the...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps we should get back to dealing with the detail of the Bill.
Mary Creagh | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
Before the hon. Lady entered this House, she was briefly a councillor in a north London authority—la...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Adrian Bailey | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady has rightly identified bad discipline as a reason why some schools perform badly, and ...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1495 (Link to this contribution)
It will not change how many are turned down. The key problem is the criteria that are used for turni...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1494-5 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I will give way in a moment, but I said that I wanted to make some pr...
Speaker | 443 c1494 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think that the hon. Lady has indicated that she is not going to give way at the moment.
Sarah Teather | 443 c1494 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to give way now as I want to make some progress.
Let us look at the evidence on admi...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1493-4 (Link to this contribution)
I see that I am going to have to repeat myself several times. That was pretty much the first thing t...
Adrian Bailey | 443 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
In that case, why does the hon. Lady not vote for the Bill on Second Reading and table amendments in...
Andrew Gwynne | 443 c1495 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Lady aware that Stockport council, which is Liberal-controlled, constantly argues that m...
Sarah Teather | 443 c1495 (Link to this contribution)
One of the problems with the way in which the Government run education is that they do not give coun...
Angela C Smith | 443 c1495 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady’s comments about city academies are surprising given that when the Liberal Democrats w...
Paul Robert Holmes | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Edward Leigh | 443 c1519-20 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot give way again because of the time limit, as the hon. Gentleman well knows. He should look ...
Edward Leigh | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
It is not true. I speak from personal experience. The London Oratory, the Cardinal Vaughan—
John Denham | 443 c1525-6 (Link to this contribution)
We have ensured in the Bill that local authorities will have the leading role in objecting to the ki...
John Denham | 443 c1524-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Government have a great deal of which to be proud in their educational record. We should not all...
Michael Connarty | 443 c1525 (Link to this contribution)
May I take my right hon. Friend back to his first comment about the worry that the White Paper would...
Martin Linton | 443 c1522-3 (Link to this contribution)
That is right. There is no doubt that those schools are still controversial within the Social Democr...
Sammy Wilson | 443 c1523-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have found the debate a bit bewildering: the Secretary of State has taunted Conservative Members w...
Martin Linton | 443 c1520-2 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the changes that have been made between the White Paper and the Bill, particularly those t...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 443 c1522 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the interesting findings on our trip to Sweden was that politi...
Clive Efford | 443 c1526 (Link to this contribution)
: Will my right hon. Friend give way?
John Denham | 443 c1526 (Link to this contribution)
No, I must make some progress.
When building on the Bill, we need to go beyond the idea of having a...
Robert Key | 443 c1527 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my right hon. Friend the Member for Witney (Mr. Cameron), the Leader of the Oppositio...
Nia Griffith | 443 c1527 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 443 c1531 (Link to this contribution)
Like my hon. Friend the Member for Havant (Mr. Willetts), I think that the Bill is, on balance, a go...
Robert Key | 443 c1527-9 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly will not give way at this stage.
I also recognise, however, that in constituencies such...
Jamie Reed | 443 c1529 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Robert Key | 443 c1529 (Link to this contribution)
Forgive me, but I will not give way; I want to keep absolutely to the time limit.
I worry about the...
Michael Meacher | 443 c1529-31 (Link to this contribution)
I listened with interest to the speeches from the Government and Opposition Front Benchers, and note...
Peter Kilfoyle | 443 c1518 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman may not be aware of it, but there are middle class parents all over the country. ...
David Leslie Taylor | 443 c1516 (Link to this contribution)
A good LEA is the one in the county of Leicestershire, which has never been controlled by the Labour...
Martin Salter | 443 c1516-7 (Link to this contribution)
I have given way once, so I will not.
Sir Jeremy Beecham, leader of the Local Government Associatio...
Edward Leigh | 443 c1517 (Link to this contribution)
What an interesting speech. Remembering Michael Foot’s words about ratting and reratting, I believe ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 443 c1516 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1517 (Link to this contribution)
How did the hon. Gentleman get his children in on parental interview?
Edward Leigh | 443 c1517-8 (Link to this contribution)
We got on very well in parental interview.
John McIntosh, the headmaster, has asked me how one can ...
John Bercow | 443 c1517 (Link to this contribution)
Surely not all six of them?
Edward Leigh | 443 c1517 (Link to this contribution)
No, not all six—I mix and match like all the other middle-class parents.
Edward Leigh | 443 c1518 (Link to this contribution)
That may arise from the situation where both the Secretary of State and the Prime Minister send thei...
Jeremy Corbyn | 443 c1518-9 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman understand that those of us who represent inner London constituencies have s...
Edward Leigh | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
I understand where the hon. Gentleman is coming from. I know the philosophy that he agrees with. I a...
Paul Robert Holmes | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
What about Finland?
Edward Leigh | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
—apart from Finland, which is a small country of 5 million people with no large urban areas. From al...
Helen Jones | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Edward Leigh | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
No, I cannot give way again. I apologise.
I know that only a small number of schools interview, but...
Paul Robert Holmes | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
They are just trying to select.
Edward Leigh | 443 c1519 (Link to this contribution)
Maybe those schools want to protect their ethos. Up to a few years ago, they could interview on the ...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1514-5 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is absolutely right, and the Minister knows that she is right. The point applies where...
Martin Salter | 443 c1515-6 (Link to this contribution)
What a horrible image.
When Dr. Philip Cowley updates his next pamphlet on Back-Bench rebellions, h...
Lynne Jones | 443 c1514 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1513-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady makes my point exactly—the Bill is not needed to do all that is claimed—and I am grate...
Lynne Jones | 443 c1514 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, the Government will argue that no school would have to opt for trust status; it is purely...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1514 (Link to this contribution)
Not now, as I am in full flow.
Let us take the Education Act 2002. We again argued whether all scho...
Gordon Marsden | 443 c1510-2 (Link to this contribution)
Labour Members have argued long and passionately over the past few weeks about how to transform the ...
James Clappison | 443 c1510 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister says yes, but we shall find out in due course. We shall also debate the matter in Commi...
Angela C Smith | 443 c1513 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that schools in Sheffield, Brightside have enjoyed relationships with ex...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 443 c1512-3 (Link to this contribution)
May I say—[Hon. Members: ““Hear, hear.””] I thank hon. Members very much indeed, but they are taking...
Clive Efford | 443 c1557 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Nick Gibb | 443 c1557-9 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way.
Our view is that the Bill’s net effect, taking the good with the bad, will mak...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 443 c1559-60 (Link to this contribution)
I start by thanking all the Members who contributed to this very lively debate. I am not surprised. ...
John Bercow | 443 c1560-1 (Link to this contribution)
Given that children in young offender institutions receive, on average, only eight hours of educatio...
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 443 c1561-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will have looked in detail at the Green Paper that we have already...
David TC Davies | 443 c1563 (Link to this contribution)
We support the Government.
Baroness Smith of Malvern | 443 c1563 (Link to this contribution)
I have already welcomed the Opposition’s support. While I am glad that they are trying to put their ...
Douglas Carswell | 443 c1549-50 (Link to this contribution)
I broadly welcome the Bill. It is perhaps one of the most heartening Bills on which I have spoken si...
Peter Kilfoyle | 443 c1548-9 (Link to this contribution)
When one reflects on the number of days that were rightly given to consideration of Welsh devolution...
John Bercow | 443 c1546-7 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the Bill, which will improve the quality of education, and I want briefly to focus on thre...
Mark Todd | 443 c1545-6 (Link to this contribution)
I want to explore two issues—the value of independence in dealing with poor performance and choice. ...
Brian Binley | 443 c1547-8 (Link to this contribution)
I wrote to head teachers, talked to parents and parent groups and met local education authority offi...
Linda Gilroy | 443 c1547 (Link to this contribution)
In Plymouth, there is real enthusiasm for collaborative work, but the current performance measuremen...
Mark Hoban | 443 c1543-4 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the Bill. It is symbolic of the change in this Government’s attitude to education. By free...
Rob Wilson | 443 c1544-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Front-Bench colleagues believe that the Bill is timid—it certainly would be for a Conservative Go...
Colin Burgon | 443 c1544 (Link to this contribution)
The Government have a good story to tell about their education programme; about investment, which ha...
Tom Levitt | 443 c1556 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman tell the House whether Conservative members of the Local Government Associat...
Nick Gibb | 443 c1556 (Link to this contribution)
I accept the hon. Lady’s point, but no one is blaming the children. Too many schools in this country...
Nia Griffith | 443 c1556 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that GCSEs were set up as an amalgamation of O-levels—available to onl...
Nick Gibb | 443 c1555-6 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a fascinating and enjoyable debate, with pro-Bill speeches from Labour and Conservativ...
Clive Efford | 443 c1555 (Link to this contribution)
I resent some of the comments that have been made to me in this debate about the White Paper and the...
Austin Mitchell | 443 c1554 (Link to this contribution)
There are some good things in the Bill and it is a great improvement on the White Paper, but we woul...
Dari Taylor | 443 c1553-4 (Link to this contribution)
I will support the Government tonight in the Lobby. The reforms that have been introduced, in terms ...
David Gauke | 443 c1552-3 (Link to this contribution)
A generation ago, there was a great debate in this country on how we should run the economy. On one ...
Michael Clapham | 443 c1552 (Link to this contribution)
I am concerned about the direction in which we are travelling. The reforms that we have introduced s...
Nadine Dorries | 443 c1551-2 (Link to this contribution)
My girls are being educated at a state comprehensive, but I cannot allow the comments of the hon. Me...
Nick Gibb | 443 c1556-7 (Link to this contribution)
We have a diverse set of opinions in the Conservative party, but we all believe in more good schools...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 443 c1533-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is absolutely right; there are problems and difficulties with any system of education....
Baroness Keeley | 443 c1532 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way, and he will know that I was responsible for education in ...
David Chaytor | 443 c1534-5 (Link to this contribution)
We have moved on a long way from the rhetoric of the White Paper six months ago. Some of the White P...
David Chaytor | 443 c1535-6 (Link to this contribution)
That was the hon. Gentleman’s contribution to the Select Committee report, and it was an important o...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 443 c1531-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that my hon. Friend on the Front Bench confirms that we will try to do so.
The other...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 443 c1532 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, I did not catch that.
Jamie Reed | 443 c1532 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman confirm that he is opposed to selection by ability?
Jamie Reed | 443 c1532 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman tell the House what his position is on selection by ability?
Liz Blackman | 443 c1542-3 (Link to this contribution)
I would probably have joined all my colleagues at the last election in proudly campaigning at every ...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1541-2 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Warrington, North (Helen Jones), with whom I shared m...
Helen Jones | 443 c1539-41 (Link to this contribution)
There is much in this Bill that is sensible and well thought out and builds on the Government’s exce...
David Chaytor | 443 c1536-7 (Link to this contribution)
I have given way once and I do not accrue another minute if I give way again. I must carry on.
We n...
Michael Connarty | 443 c1536 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend give way?
Tim Farron | 443 c1538-9 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention and I acknowledge that there have been changes to the adm...
Tim Farron | 443 c1537-8 (Link to this contribution)
Throughout the Select Committee’s work, it was clear that the education professionals who appeared b...
Speaker | 443 c1537 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman has had his time.
Sarah Teather | 443 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman cannot expect me to know the detail of what has happened in his local area, but i...
Tim Farron | 443 c1535 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman share my disappointment that the Government have not yet given way to the su...
Lord Brady of Altrincham | 443 c1532 (Link to this contribution)
I propose to do that at the length that I am allowed by the time limit on speeches. The hon. Gentlem...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1469 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Lady give way?
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1466-7 (Link to this contribution)
I agree. Trust schools will be another route that schools might want to consider if they think there...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that collaboration is important. In effect, I see adopting a trust as a way of forging deepe...
Nick Raynsford | 443 c1476 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman thinks about these subjects, so I would like him to answer the following question...
Adrian Bailey | 443 c1475 (Link to this contribution)
I was interested to hear the hon. Gentleman’s appreciation of the importance of education and good s...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very important point about school food. It is about time that we brought back...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1471 (Link to this contribution)
No, I have to say that I completely disagree with my hon. Friend on this point. I think that the sys...
John Pugh | 443 c1481 (Link to this contribution)
As 200 schools close every year because of falling rolls, roughly how many new schools and new provi...
Speaker | 443 c1486 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Before I call the next Member, may I just remind the House that an eight-minute limit has bee...
Andrew Dismore | 443 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
Is it Liberal Democrat policy to abolish A-levels?
Martin Salter | 443 c1516 (Link to this contribution)
I seem to recall that in the alternative White Paper, which I think that Ministers truly understand ...
Meg Hillier | 443 c1538 (Link to this contribution)
: The hon. Gentleman talks about the admissions code as though there have been no changes since the ...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1464-5 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a very important point. I can tell the House that there will be very strong saf...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1479-80 (Link to this contribution)
Of course the extra money has gone in—I am not denying that—but surely Labour Members must realise t...
Nick Raynsford | 443 c1502-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is always a pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Rushcliffe (Mr. Clarke), alt...
Andrew Turner | 443 c1495 (Link to this contribution)
If 100 pupils are admitted to a school and 365 are turned down under one admissions policy, and the ...
Tom Levitt | 443 c1550-1 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to speak as the proud product of comprehensive education, as both a pupil and a teacher. I wa...
Ruth Kelly | 443 c1472 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I can tell him something else that he may not have noticed. Unde...
Lord Willetts | 443 c1485-6 (Link to this contribution)
The world is moving on.
I have talked about the concern of Labour Members over the possible threat ...
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