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Terrorism Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 26 October 2005, in the House of Commons, led by Charles Clarke. The answering member was David Davis.
Terrorism Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on division (472 to 94). Programme motion on Committee stage, Report stage, Third reading and any other proceedings agreed to on division (303 to 245). Queens recommendation signified. Money resolution agreed to on question (formal).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
438 c322-423 
Session
2005-06
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Second reading
Procedure
Programme motions
Money resolutions
Queen's recommendation
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Related items
Terrorism Bill. Explanatory notes Bill 55-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 October 2005
Bills
House of Commons
Draft Terrorism Bill 2005. Minutes of evidence 11 October 2005.
Tuesday, 11 October 2005
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 438 c354 (Link to this contribution) I remind all right hon. and hon. Members that Mr. Speaker has imposed a 10-minute limit on Back-Benc...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c326-7 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with what the Home Secretary is saying about al-Qaeda, but he must realise that th...

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Charles Clarke | 438 c327 (Link to this contribution) Wanting to change the regime in Zimbabwe or Burma is the legitimate right of every citizen of this c...
Charles Clarke | 438 c326 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way at the moment. Al-Qaeda’s methods, too, are different. It recognises no common...
Charles Clarke | 438 c326 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. Al-Qaeda finds democracy in Israel abhorrent and seeks to destroy it. It finds d...
Charles Clarke | 438 c327-8 (Link to this contribution) I have accepted it, Madam Deputy Speaker. Perhaps I should formally have accepted it earlier than I ...
Desmond Swayne | 438 c328 (Link to this contribution) I share the Secretary of State’s objectives entirely. I agree that there now has to be a meeting eng...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c327 (Link to this contribution) What about action against Mugabe’s security forces? What about action against his police? Or action ...
Speaker | 438 c327 (Link to this contribution) Order. Has the Secretary of State accepted the right hon. and learned Gentleman’s intervention?
Alan Simpson | 438 c329 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Charles Clarke | 438 c329-30 (Link to this contribution) Not at the moment. I will give way to my hon. Friend in a while. Before I finish outlining the gene...
Robert N Wareing | 438 c330 (Link to this contribution) I take it from what my right hon. Friend says that any person in any country of the world who advoca...
Charles Clarke | 438 c330 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to comment on individual cases—
Elfyn Llwyd | 438 c328-9 (Link to this contribution) In regard to the concerns raised by the right hon. Member for Berwick-upon-Tweed (Mr. Beith) about s...
Charles Clarke | 438 c329 (Link to this contribution) I think that I have said this about three times now, but I will say it again: we take seriously the ...
Alan Simpson | 438 c330 (Link to this contribution) The misgivings of many Members of the House relate to the final part of what the Home Secretary said...
Charles Clarke | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) That precise risk, which the right hon. and learned Gentleman rightly identifies, will be taken into...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c342 (Link to this contribution) Many of us who practise in the criminal courts are aware of the danger of confessions made after ext...
Charles Clarke | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) I have given that matter consideration and I am prepared to consider it further in Committee.
Dominic Grieve | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) If the Home Secretary is going to continue with the line of having 90 days’ detention, are we not go...
Charles Clarke | 438 c342 (Link to this contribution) I have already said that I will give way at an appropriate point in my speech, and I repeat that. I ...
Chris Mullin | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) I cannot for the life of me imagine why we have uncritically accepted the 90-day period and I am sur...
Charles Clarke | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) In general, I respect my hon. Friend’s contribution to the debate, including the article that he rec...
David Heath | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) Are not the circumstances requiring the additional time, which many of us find difficult to accept, ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c343 (Link to this contribution) There are two points there. First, in the circumstances that I described in my earlier remarks, it i...
Charles Clarke | 438 c344 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way a couple more times, then conclude my remarks.
Charles Clarke | 438 c344 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that the judiciary has a strong role in this process, but so does Parliament. It is imp...
Adrian Bailey | 438 c344 (Link to this contribution) Andy Hayman makes a pretty strong argument in his submission, but I accept that the extension of det...
Charles Clarke | 438 c344 (Link to this contribution) I do not concede that, but I will concede that the points raised by my hon. Friend and Lord Carlile—...
Sadiq Khan | 438 c344 (Link to this contribution) : My right hon. Friend has said that Lord Carlile supports the extension proposal. However, Lord Car...
Charles Clarke | 438 c344 (Link to this contribution) That is a possibility, which is why extensions of the detention period will be subject to judicial r...
David Davis | 438 c343-4 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, massive issues of natural justice are involved in the 90-day proposal, but there are also s...
Tony Lloyd | 438 c345 (Link to this contribution) Earlier, my right hon. Friend spoke about the need to comply with the European convention, and I end...
John Baron | 438 c344-5 (Link to this contribution) I want to return to a point that I tried to make earlier. The Government are fast establishing a tra...
Charles Clarke | 438 c345 (Link to this contribution) I reject the hon. Gentleman’s charge completely. Perhaps I should have done so earlier, in response ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c338 (Link to this contribution) I know that a lot of Members want to get in, but I shall give way twice more and then make some more...
Charles Clarke | 438 c339;438 c338-9 (Link to this contribution) On the contrary; I believe that we are doing a great deal to win those people over through our actio...
Clive Betts | 438 c338 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Home Secretary for giving way. I know that he genuinely wants to win over the Muslim com...
Charles Clarke | 438 c339 (Link to this contribution) I will give way once more, to my hon. Friend the Member for Birmingham, Northfield (Richard Burden),...
Richard Burden | 438 c339 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. Is it not true that the Bill’s definition of terrorism goes r...
Charles Clarke | 438 c339 (Link to this contribution) First, it would be to the benefit of that organisation, and secondly, it would not be criminal. In f...
Charles Clarke | 438 c339 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some more progress. I have already spoken for almost an hour.
Peter Kilfoyle | 438 c339 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way once more?
Charles Clarke | 438 c339 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to my very charming, non-demagogic hon. Friend.
Peter Kilfoyle | 438 c339-40;438 c339 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. Like every other Member, I get regular missives in the names ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c340 (Link to this contribution) I am not giving way. I now move on to deal with pre-charge detention—another key area of controvers...
Charles Clarke | 438 c340;438 c339-40 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend the Member for Bolsover (Mr. Skinner) points out from a sedentary position, that i...
Charles Clarke | 438 c342 (Link to this contribution) I have already said that I am going to give way at an appropriate point later. Forensic requirement...
Charles Clarke | 438 c340-1 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend when I have made further progress. Lord Carlile of Berriew, a Lib...
Simon Hughes | 438 c335 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Charles Clarke | 438 c336 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve).
Charles Clarke | 438 c336 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether my hon. and learned Friend was quoting Jenny Tonge or Cherie Blair. Those are ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c336-7 (Link to this contribution) As I have said on a number of occasions, I simply do not accept that. Quite apart from points of pri...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c336 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way. I take him back to the definition of terrorism—a...
Simon Hughes | 438 c335 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Home Secretary—though not for the accolade. Does the right hon. Gentleman not ...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 438 c336 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Home Secretary. A little while ago, a perfectly respectable public figure expr...
Rob Marris | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my right hon. Friend—he is being very generous. Of course we face a terrible t...
Charles Clarke | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) Actually, such a specifically violent act could kill. Such people say that they do not want to kill,...
Charles Clarke | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris).
Speaker | 438 c338 (Link to this contribution) Order. I ask the right hon. Gentleman to face the microphone in addressing the House. Otherwise, it ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c338;438 c337-8 (Link to this contribution) As my right hon. Friend knows, it is not our intention to do anybody’s dirty work; rather, we intend...
John Denham | 438 c338;438 c337 (Link to this contribution) : I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, who makes a powerful case for legislation to deal with the ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for Southampton, Itchen.
Charles Clarke | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) That case would be considered by the court at the time, but I should point out that the individual c...
Michael Gove | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) : I am very grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way. He is doubtless familiar with the Muslim ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c337 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Surrey Heath (Michael Gove).
Charles Clarke | 438 c332 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend’s assessment is correct. That will be one of the issues that we discuss later in the ...
Mark Oaten | 438 c331 (Link to this contribution) It is our judgment that real, principled opposition is about making a stand on the key issue of hold...
Charles Clarke | 438 c330-1 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that. I am coming to proscription in a moment, and I will deal with my hon. Friend’s...
Emily Thornberry | 438 c331-2 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend recognise that a number of Labour Members have grave reservations about th...
Charles Clarke | 438 c331 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the hon. Gentleman does have a sincere intention in that respect, and is seeking agre...
David Winnick | 438 c332 (Link to this contribution) I, too, will be voting for the Second Reading of the Bill. I am about the last person in the House t...
Charles Clarke | 438 c332 (Link to this contribution) I certainly recognise that. I have discussed those reservations with a number of colleagues, and if ...
Steve McCabe | 438 c332 (Link to this contribution) Allowing for people’s anxieties, is not our track record that detention beyond seven days has been u...
Charles Clarke | 438 c332 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention, and I agree that it is right to be flexible. I...
Charles Clarke | 438 c333 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely correct to put the gathering of intelligence at the centre of what we do....
Charles Clarke | 438 c334-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way in a moment, but I shall choose my own time to do so, if I may. The Bill extends t...
Charles Clarke | 438 c333-4 (Link to this contribution) As one who was keen to promote the right hon. and learned Gentleman’s candidacy for the leadership o...
Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 438 c333 (Link to this contribution) Before the Home Secretary does that, may I ask him a question? He has referred to the House’s possib...
Charles Clarke | 438 c333 (Link to this contribution) I shall be happy to give way, but I am about to deal with the 90-day point.
Michael Gove | 438 c334 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Charles Clarke | 438 c334 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress before giving way again. I have given way a fair amount, and I will con...
Simon Hughes | 438 c334 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Chris Mullin | 438 c382-3 (Link to this contribution) Forgive me, I have only three minutes left. In many respects, the Americans have thrown away the ru...
Graham Stuart | 438 c382 (Link to this contribution) (Beverley and Holderness) rose—
Chris Mullin | 438 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. That brings me to the point made by the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c381 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will note that the Bill justifies extending the period solely to facilitate furth...
Chris Mullin | 438 c381 (Link to this contribution) With all due respect to my hon. Friend, that point rather rebounds on him. If it has not been necess...
Mark Hendrick | 438 c381 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend admitted that suspects were not kept for longer than 14 days in most instances. If th...
Chris Mullin | 438 c380 (Link to this contribution) Let the record show that the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) was the first hon. Member on either si...
William Cash | 438 c378-80 (Link to this contribution) I fear that some of the discussion that we have heard this afternoon has perhaps gravitated rather m...
Robert N Wareing | 438 c387 (Link to this contribution) I realise that that case has been made, but the vote this evening is on this Bill, and clause 23 is ...
Elfyn Llwyd | 438 c385 (Link to this contribution) That is right. And how can one challenge whether the process is happening within a reasonable time s...
Graham Stuart | 438 c385 (Link to this contribution) Regardless of the seniority of the judge who conducts the review, he or she is being asked to look a...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c387 (Link to this contribution) I accept that it is a difficult decision. Speaking personally, however, I have to say that there is ...
Robert N Wareing | 438 c386-7 (Link to this contribution) No Member of this House would in any way deplore measures to prevent terrorism occurring in our coun...
Elfyn Llwyd | 438 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman is spot on, and I know he gains support from throughout the House for what ...
Lord Deben | 438 c383 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman find it difficult to explain what the law would mean in this case, because n...
Elfyn Llwyd | 438 c384-5 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes that point extremely well, but what is insidious is that even support for t...
John Bercow | 438 c384 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the mistake that the Government are making is that they fail to r...
Elfyn Llwyd | 438 c383 (Link to this contribution) Many of us are nervous about the Bill because we have seen how the 2000 Act has been operating out i...
Baroness Featherstone | 438 c400 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend also agree that while the power is disproportionate, it could also be used in er...
Greg Mulholland | 438 c400-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point. I am pleased to be participating in a debate of such quality. Th...
Shahid Malik | 438 c398-9 (Link to this contribution) I agree that there is such concern not just in Muslim communities but throughout the country. I hav...
Greg Mulholland | 438 c399-400 (Link to this contribution) Everyone in the House will remember 7 July for a long time, but I will never forget 12 July for as l...
Shahid Malik | 438 c398 (Link to this contribution) I fully accept that the police and security services need to do much more to give to those communiti...
Greg Mulholland | 438 c398 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for the way that we were able to work together as two of the hon. Members...
Shahid Malik | 438 c396-8 (Link to this contribution) Earlier today, my hon. Friend the Member for Tooting (Mr. Khan) was addressed by Madam Deputy Speake...
Sadiq Khan | 438 c398 (Link to this contribution) I accept my hon. Friend’s point that it is not the intention of the legislation to discriminate agai...
Richard Burden | 438 c401-2 (Link to this contribution) I join my right hon. and hon. Friends and, indeed, Opposition Members in complimenting the Home Secr...
Mark Hendrick | 438 c404-5 (Link to this contribution) The 20th century was a century where this country had to deal with the challenges faced by the ““ism...
Mark Hendrick | 438 c405-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend did hear me correctly, and if he will allow me to continue he will find out why. Som...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c406-7 (Link to this contribution) The debate has been fascinating, especially because of the range of views that have been expressed a...
Richard Burden | 438 c402 (Link to this contribution) Because of time constraints, I will give way only once, to my hon. Friend the Member for Ilford, Sou...
Mike Gapes | 438 c402 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful for clarification. Is my hon. Friend saying that people who advocate the blowing...
Richard Burden | 438 c402-3 (Link to this contribution) No. I said exactly what I meant. I condemn anyone who advocates the blowing-up of buses or any attac...
Tobias Ellwood | 438 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) I was looking forward to hearing the Government’s plans for dealing with international terrorism. I ...
Anne Main | 438 c407 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to hear my hon. Friend echoing the fact that many of us do not support the Government. ...
Peter Robinson | 438 c387-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Sunderland, South (Mr. Mullin) was a little unkind to the hon. Member for Stone ...
Mark Hendrick | 438 c388 (Link to this contribution) : The hon. Gentleman’s point, which is a strong one, is that if someone refuses to provide a key to ...
Peter Robinson | 438 c389-90 (Link to this contribution) That danger is certainly there, although I do not believe that the police act in that way. I believe...
Martin Horwood | 438 c390 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can deal with the hon. Gentleman’s confusion. A vote on Second Reading is a vote on the pr...
Peter Robinson | 438 c388-9 (Link to this contribution) I imagine that the shadow Home Secretary’s argument is that that would be the holding charge in the ...
Graham Stuart | 438 c389 (Link to this contribution) : If there is another atrocity, the red-top papers will call for blood, and the police will want to ...
William Cash | 438 c391 (Link to this contribution) As the newly appointed Chairman of this important Committee, does the hon. Gentleman rule out—as I t...
Peter Robinson | 438 c390 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman probably was not here for yesterday’s debate, but the Liberal Democrat argument w...
Andrew Dismore | 438 c390-1 (Link to this contribution) When I was appointed chair of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, some may have thought that I was ...
Andrew Dismore | 438 c392 (Link to this contribution) I will not, because my time will be eaten up. If the extension period proved inadequate, the police...
Diane Abbott | 438 c392 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend give way on that?
Andrew Dismore | 438 c392 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not, as I have only limited time.—[Interruption.] Mr. Clarke made it clear that he envisa...
Andrew Dismore | 438 c392 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The reasons given by—[Interruption.]
Speaker | 438 c392 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is for the hon. Member to decide whether or not to give way. I feel that I should protect ...
Andrew Dismore | 438 c392-4 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. If I had my normal Friday length of time to speak, I would happily gi...
Speaker | 438 c394 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind the House that only about 50 minutes remain before the winding-up speeches are due t...
James Clappison | 438 c394-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Liverpool, West Derby (Mr. Wareing) suggested that the Home Secretary was trying...
Diane Abbott | 438 c408 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the Muslim community is united against terrorism, but expressing ...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c407-8 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes up for the lack of opportunity to make a speech with a characteristically power...
Alan Simpson | 438 c409 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will recall the debate in the House two weeks ago about the extension of the list...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c408 (Link to this contribution) I do not disagree with the hon. Lady. What worries me particularly is that the 90-day period appears...
Hazel Blears | 438 c410-1 (Link to this contribution) We have engaged in a good and serious debate, and we have heard a range of different views expressed...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c409-10 (Link to this contribution) As drafted, the clause presents precisely those difficulties. While I have some sympathy with the Go...
Hazel Blears | 438 c411-2 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely believe that we have learnt the lessons. Of course we must have safeguards in our legis...
Clare Short | 438 c411 (Link to this contribution) : Does my right hon. Friend agree that before 7 July the worst mass-murder terrorist attack on civil...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c407 (Link to this contribution) I assure my hon. Friend that that is our intention. I shall revert to that shortly. Powerful contri...
John Bercow | 438 c407 (Link to this contribution) As one who did not make a powerful speech, or, indeed, have the opportunity to make a speech at all,...
Hazel Blears | 438 c412-5 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and my hon. Friend puts the point extremely well. This Bill is about saying that terrorism, whe...
Hazel Blears | 438 c412 (Link to this contribution) What we have is a definition of terrorism, and if somebody is guilty of terrorism, they are guilty o...
Louise Ellman | 438 c412 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister agree that the carnage that happened in London is part of a global activity, and d...
John Bercow | 438 c412 (Link to this contribution) The argument is not about the distinction between a good terrorist and a bad terrorist; it is about ...
William Cash | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way? He is running away from debate.
Speaker | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is entirely up to the Home Secretary to decide when he will accept interventions, and from...
William Cash | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman said that he would give way to me.
Charles Clarke | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) I am terribly sorry, but I am not going to give way. Part 3 of the Bill contains the normal miscella...
Charles Clarke | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is deeply wounding to be accused of running away from ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c345 (Link to this contribution) This aspect of the Bill is compatible with the convention because the whole Bill is compatible, but ...
William Cash | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
John Denham | 438 c345-6 (Link to this contribution) : My right hon. Friend has been very generous in giving way, and I have a simple question about the ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) I can answer my right hon. Friend directly: yes, there are specialist prosecutors in the areas that ...
David Davis | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) I shall explain that in detail during my speech.
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman knows that, contrary to what the Home Secretary has maintained, any public ...
Speaker | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind the hon. and learned Gentleman that interventions must be brief.
David Davis | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) I missed the end of what the hon. and learned Gentleman said, but if he is asking whether intention ...
Speaker | 438 c346 (Link to this contribution) I confirm to the House that neither of the amendments proposed has been selected for debate by Mr. S...
David Davis | 438 c347 (Link to this contribution) This debate is part of a process that began before 7 July, but which took on a new urgency after tha...
Tony Baldry | 438 c347-8 (Link to this contribution) I understand why we want to put up a united front with the Government today against terrorism. Howev...
David Davis | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend very intelligently pre-empts the next part of my speech. Let me say, because of the i...
Chris Bryant | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way because I am sure that many people in the H...
Speaker | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) Order. Interventions are getting far too long.
David Davis | 438 c350-1 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend makes his point brilliantly, as always, and it is the question of i...
David Davis | 438 c350 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not propose such amendments. That decision has to be made by the Executive. However, in t...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c350 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend remind the House that this part of the Bill is said to reflect the intenti...
David Davis | 438 c349-50 (Link to this contribution) Yes, Cameron; I think they are relatives.—[Interruption.] I cannot believe that the Home Secretary i...
David Davis | 438 c349 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely right. Indeed, he picks up the point made by the shadow Attorney-General ...
Brian Binley | 438 c349 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend mentioned that the Front Bench would question the 90-day rule very seriously, a...
Brian Binley | 438 c348 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. You mentioned that you would pay particul...
William Cash | 438 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) I had complete confidence that my right hon. Friend would not run away from taking my intervention. ...
David Davis | 438 c353-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend—[Interruption]—except that I do not agree with him about supporting this...
Sadiq Khan | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give us his view on those cases in which it would not be possible to l...
David Davis | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) I am not especially fond of control orders, as the hon. Gentleman knows from previous debates, but t...
William Cash | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
David Davis | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend.
Chris Mullin | 438 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Gentleman says, when the police were last asked, they said that they wanted the pe...
David Davis | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) That is a good point. One issue that needs to be resolved is that of resources. We have heard about ...
David Burrowes | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) Would it not be more appropriate to deal with police concerns about the time taken to gather evidenc...
David Davis | 438 c352 (Link to this contribution) That is one of many measures that would make the 90-day proposal unnecessary, and I shall return to ...
Mark Oaten | 438 c356-7 (Link to this contribution) Like other Members, I start by referring to the events that took place in London during the summer a...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 438 c354-6 (Link to this contribution) It has been a fascinating hour and a half. Obviously, the thrust of the debate in Committee will be ...
Mark Oaten | 438 c357 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for that intervention. The decision was diffic...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c357 (Link to this contribution) May I support the hon. Gentleman in what he has just said? If one cannot support the core measures o...
Mark Oaten | 438 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) In Committee, we shall want to look at the whole question of intent and when I talk about the indire...
Chris Bryant | 438 c357 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said earlier that he was opposed to a sweeping glorification clause and that he a...
Mark Oaten | 438 c359 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving me the opportunity to give him a direct answer. We do...
Sadiq Khan | 438 c359 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Gentleman saying that 14 days is the limit, and that any period of detention without cha...
Peter Robinson | 438 c359-60 (Link to this contribution) I am struggling with the question of 90 days myself, but several hon. Members’ criticism of the Home...
Elfyn Llwyd | 438 c361 (Link to this contribution) May I commend to the hon. Gentleman the use of section 47(3) of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act...
Mark Oaten | 438 c360-1 (Link to this contribution) I now wish that I had adopted the Home Secretary’s approach on taking interventions from the hon. Ge...
William Cash | 438 c360 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that we are dealing not with ordinary questions of criminal jurisdict...
Mark Oaten | 438 c360 (Link to this contribution) No, I want to move on. Actually, that is very unfair—I give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Mark Oaten | 438 c362 (Link to this contribution) I think that I am grateful for that intervention, but I am not sure that it makes the position clear...
Emily Thornberry | 438 c361-2 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is floundering, so perhaps I may be of assistance. The police can arrest someone ...
William Cash | 438 c360 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tony Lloyd | 438 c364 (Link to this contribution) I want to develop that theme further but I give way to my hon. Friend.
Mark Hendrick | 438 c364 (Link to this contribution) Is my hon. Friend saying that basically violence is okay, it just depends which side one is on?
Tony Lloyd | 438 c363 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary is right to remind us of the grave threats that our society faces from terrorism....
Mark Oaten | 438 c362-3 (Link to this contribution) I will not accept any more interventions, because I wish to conclude. I wish to suggest another way...
Tony Lloyd | 438 c364 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend helps me in the case that I am presenting. We need an intelligent debate and we need ...
Sadiq Khan | 438 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) In support of that argument, does my hon. Friend agree that there have been 10 occasions where someb...
Mark Oaten | 438 c362 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. and learned Gentleman makes a valid point, but I am arguing that someone could be cha...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c362 (Link to this contribution) If that is the case, does the hon. Gentleman agree that we will need a completely separate PACE code...
Mark Oaten | 438 c362 (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more. Checks and balances are required if we move to the model that I have outline...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c368 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, and he would be protected only by the rather doubtful intervention of the Government’s in-ho...
Dominic Grieve | 438 c368 (Link to this contribution) : My right hon. and learned Friend will also be aware that the Taoiseach of Ireland has announced th...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c367-8 (Link to this contribution) That is entirely right. Let me deal with the detail of clause 1. I hope that I shall be forgiven if...
John Denham | 438 c367 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. and learned Gentleman agree that one of the lessons of that period of history wa...
Tony Lloyd | 438 c366 (Link to this contribution) I think that the hon. Gentleman’s fears are correct. It is very difficult to get this legislation ri...
Tony Lloyd | 438 c365 (Link to this contribution) A number of my hon. Friends have already expressed such sympathy with the Karen people in Burma, so ...
John Bercow | 438 c365-6 (Link to this contribution) Pursuant to the intervention by the hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West (Rob Marris), when I v...
Tony Lloyd | 438 c364 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am saying that, and my hon. Friend has to face that directly. All but the pacifists in our so...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 438 c365 (Link to this contribution) : I agree entirely with the point that my hon. Friend makes, but does he agree that this Bill is eve...
Louise Ellman | 438 c370 (Link to this contribution) Would my right hon. Friend like to disassociate himself from the views of Hamas, and does he accept ...
John Denham | 438 c370-1 (Link to this contribution) I certainly do not accept Hamas’s strategy of terrorism, or its vision of the destruction of Israel....
Lord Deben | 438 c371 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that one way of testing the rightness of such a clause is to app...
John Denham | 438 c371-2 (Link to this contribution) I referred earlier to the support that I gave, openly and publicly, to the Sandinistas in Nicaragua ...
Richard Shepherd | 438 c372-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree in great measure with the right hon. Member for Southampton, Itchen (Mr. Denham). His words ...
John Bercow | 438 c368 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. and learned Friend give way?
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c368 (Link to this contribution) No, it is not. After all, the Attorney-General, good as he may be, is nothing more than the in-house...
John Denham | 438 c369-70 (Link to this contribution) It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Mr. Hog...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c368-9 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my hon. Friend will forgive me, but I have already given way twice. Let us not forget t...
Michael Meacher | 438 c376-8 (Link to this contribution) That only confirms my point. The Bill is intended to deal with the problem of acts of terrorism, suc...
Speaker | 438 c378 (Link to this contribution) Order. The right hon. Gentleman has had his time.
Michael Meacher | 438 c376 (Link to this contribution) I will give way for the last time.
Richard Shepherd | 438 c376 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary confirmed on Monday in front of the Joint Committee on Human Rights that it could...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c375 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it goes much further than that, because people who write ab...
Michael Meacher | 438 c375 (Link to this contribution) It is always a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Aldridge-Brownhills (Mr. Shepherd), and ...
Richard Shepherd | 438 c376 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Michael Meacher | 438 c376 (Link to this contribution) I very much agree with my hon. Friend, but I would go further. The existing drafting of the stop and...
Dawn Butler | 438 c376 (Link to this contribution) On stop and search, does my right hon. Friend agree that there are serious concerns about the additi...
Michael Meacher | 438 c376 (Link to this contribution) Yes; I take that point and I support what the right hon. and learned Gentleman has said on this. A d...
Charles Clarke | 438 c323 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether the hon. Gentleman was present when I began, but I said then that I would deal...
Charles Clarke | 438 c322-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. The Bill seeks to place our counter-terrori...
John Baron | 438 c323 (Link to this contribution) Some aspects of the Bill create further concerns that the Government are too willing to accept recom...
Charles Clarke | 438 c325-6 (Link to this contribution) With all due respect to my right hon. Friend, he is wrong. We have had that conversation privately a...
John Denham | 438 c325 (Link to this contribution) The House welcomes the progress to democracy in many parts of the world, but it is relatively recent...
Lord Beith | 438 c323-4 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary is rightly dealing with the theme of values. What about the value to which Lord C...
Charles Clarke | 438 c324 (Link to this contribution) I am surprised that the right hon. Gentleman adopts that tone. However, he is right to cite Lord Car...
Jeremy Corbyn | 438 c324 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary is making an important point. Does he also accept that this country has an import...
Charles Clarke | 438 c324 (Link to this contribution) I give that reassurance and I shall revert to that point later. I celebrate the various values of fr...
Jim Cousins | 438 c324-5 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend accept that all the historical events that he listed involved acts of terr...
Charles Clarke | 438 c325 (Link to this contribution) I greatly respect my hon. Friend; we served together on the Treasury Committee, but he is wrong. If ...
Louise Ellman | 438 c325 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Secretary accept that, in contrast to the society that he has just described, the terr...
Charles Clarke | 438 c325 (Link to this contribution) I agree 100 per cent. with my hon. Friend. I shall develop that point further because it is fundamen...
Charles Clarke | 438 c330 (Link to this contribution) Anybody who thinks that Pat Robertson is on my side is very wrong indeed. I am prepared publicly to ...
Andrew Dismore | 438 c391-2 (Link to this contribution) I do, because we can do what we need to do without taking such action. I heard the hon. Gentleman’s ...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c362 (Link to this contribution) Should not the hon. Gentleman stress the fact that the essential vice is allowing the police to ques...
Charles Clarke | 438 c328 (Link to this contribution) I did not dismiss the concerns of the right hon. Member for what we must now call Beith-upon-Tweed. ...
Charles Clarke | 438 c338 (Link to this contribution) I apologise, Madam Deputy Speaker; I did not intend to be rude. We will look at these issues in Com...
Charles Clarke | 438 c335-6 (Link to this contribution) I judge all Members principally by their acts, and the key act is voting. I judge them on how they v...
David Winnick | 438 c405 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend and I share a common view about the dangers that we face, but did I hear him correctl...
Jeremy Corbyn | 438 c350 (Link to this contribution) : Many organisations are already proscribed—including the National Council of Resistance of Iran, wh...
Mark Oaten | 438 c361 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that that would be necessary, and I am outlining circumstances in which it could be...
Viscount Hailsham | 438 c366-7 (Link to this contribution) I will return to some of the points made by the hon. Member for Manchester, Central (Tony Lloyd), be...
Sadiq Khan | 438 c332-3 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend talked about the strategy for fighting terrorism, the final part of which was t...
Chris Mullin | 438 c380 (Link to this contribution) Not just yet, if my hon. Friend does not mind. I intend to direct my remarks solely to the proposal...
Mark Oaten | 438 c360 (Link to this contribution) I am just coming to that part of my speech. Let me acknowledge that I think that the police have mad...
Subjects
Disclosure of information
Criminal investigation
Confiscation orders
Chemical weapons
Intelligence services
Incitement
Police
Organised crime
Powers
Nuclear weapons
Proscribed organisations
Sentencing
Terrorism
Stop and search
Training
Right of search
Sequestration of assets
Interception warrants
Encouragement of terrorism
Legislation
Terrorism Bill 2005-06
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