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Data Protection and Digital Information Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 17 April 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Viscount Camrose. The answering members were Lord Bassam of Brighton and Baroness Jones of Whitchurch.
Lords committee stage fifth day. Clause 44 agreed to. Clause 45, as amended, agreed to. Clause 46 agreed to. Schedule 8 agreed to. Clauses 47 and 48 agreed to. Clause 49, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 50 and 51 agreed to. Schedule 9, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 52 to 95 agreed to. Clause 96, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 97 to 102 agreed to. Clause 103, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 104 to 108 agreed to. New clause agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
837 cc317-378GC 
Session
2023-24
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords Grand Committee
Data Protection and Digital Information Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 6 December 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2024-0454
Wednesday, 24 April 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2024-0495
Tuesday, 14 May 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc317-320GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start today with probably the most innocuous of the amendments, which is that Clause ...

Baroness Kidron | 837 cc319-321GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a veteran of the 2018 arguments on Article 80(2), I rise in support of Amendment 287...


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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc321-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened carefully to the explanation given by the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, fo...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc323-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, for tab...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord gets there and we move too far from Amendment 154, where does the Governmen...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c324GC (Link to this contribution)

If the action is raised on behalf of named individuals, those named individuals have to have give...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just so that the Minister might get a little note, I will ask a question. He has explai...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

The reason was that an extensive consultation was undertaken in 2021 by the Government, and the G...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister could in due course say what evidence would help to persuade the Government ...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to help the Minister. Perhaps he could give us some more detail on the nature of that cons...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc325-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Fair enough. Maybe for the time being, it will satisfy the Committee if I share a copy of that co...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is the Minister saying that there is absolutely no confusion between the jurisdiction o...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

No, as I was about to say, we need to take these issues seriously. The noble Lord raised a number...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

I will go away and look at those; I look forward to learning more about them. There are obvious i...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

I am intrigued by the balance between what goes to a tribunal and what goes to the courts. I took...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord; that is an important point. The question is: how does the Sorting Hat ope...

Baroness Kidron | 837 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

Before we come to the end of this debate, I just want to raise something. I am grateful to the Mi...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be very happy to participate in that discussion, absolutely.

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I have surprised myself: I have taken something ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc327-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

152: Clause 45, page 79, line 30, leave out “with the day” ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

156: Clause 49, page 83, line 21, leave out “and (3)” and i...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc328-331GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the UK has rightly moved away from the EU concept of supremacy, under which retained EU...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc330-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that very careful exposition. I feel that we are heavily into ...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 cc333-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have looked at the government amendments in this group and have listened very careful...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc334-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lords, Lord Clement-Jones and Lord Bassam, for their comments. As the noble Lor...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc335-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

157: Clause 49, page 83, line 24, at end insert “: relevant...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c337GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

176: Schedule 9, page 231, line 35, at end insert—

“2...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

177: Clause 53, page 88, line 16, at end insert...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc338-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now move on to Part 2 of the Bill, which concerns the provision of digital verificat...

Lord Kamall | 837 cc339-340GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in favour of Amendment 195ZA in my name and that of the noble Lords, Lord Vaux ...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 cc340-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 195ZA—I will get to understand where these numbers co...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc341-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is quite a disparate group of amendments. I support Amendment 195ZA, which I have ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc342-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, and my noble friend L...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister saying that, as a result of the Equality Act, there is an absolute right to that ...

Lord Kamall | 837 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand that some services are purely digital, but some of those may well not have digital I...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc345-6GC (Link to this contribution)

On this point, the argument that the Government are making is that, where consumers want to use a...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in essence, the Minister is admitting that there is a gap when somebody who does not ha...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

In the example I gave, I was not willing to use a digital system to provide a guarantee for my so...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

The Bill does not change the requirements in this sense. If any organisation chooses to provide i...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the clause stand part amendment was clearly probing. Does the Minister have anything to...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

It is very important that the OneLogin system is entirely separate and not considered a DVS. We c...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

That is a good reassurance, but if the Minister wants to unpack that further by correspondence, I...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc346-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to do so.

I turn finally to Amendments 289 and 300, which aim to introduce ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry, but this is a broad-ranging set of amendments, so I need to intervene on th...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely fair enough: I will of course write. Sadly, we are not joined today by ministe...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

We always enjoy having input from the Home Office.

Viscount Camrose | 837 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt that its contribution to the letter will be equally enjoyable. However, for all t...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc347-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suppose I am meant to say that I thank the Minister for his response, but I cannot sa...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 837 c350GC (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle

195A: Clause 85, page 108, line 38, at end ...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 837 cc350-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very small and modest amendment, adding a fifth element to a list. Clause 85 ...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 837 cc351-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 218, which is in my name and those of the right reverend Pre...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 cc353-5GC (Link to this contribution)

This is a slightly disparate group of amendments. I have added my name in support of Amendment 29...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 cc354-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group has three amendments within it and, as the noble Lord, Lord Vaux, said, it i...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc356-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments have been spoken to so well that I do not need to spend a huge amount ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc358-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Bennett, Lady Young of Old Scone and Lady Jones, for...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c359GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister made the point at the end there that it is in the EU’s interest to agree to our data...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister stands up, let me just say that I absolutely agree with what the noble Lord, ...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I point out, on the interests of the EU, that it does not go just one way? There is...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not know what I could possibly have said to create the impression that the Government are fl...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Could we have a list of the people the noble Lord is talking about?

Viscount Camrose | 837 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes. I would be happy to provide a list of the people we have spoken to about adequacy; it may be...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister could just tweak that a bit by listing not just the people who have made pos...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 837 c361GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his answer. This has been a fairly short but fruitful debate. ...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 837 c361GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the noble Baroness does not get too carried away on that one.

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 837 c361GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that we will revisit this at some point in future. Perhaps the noble Lord will like the...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c362GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

196: Clause 96, page 123, line 42, after “holders” insert “...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c362GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

197: Clause 103, page 131, line 7, at end insert—

“(9...

Viscount Stansgate | 837 c362GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the convenience of the Committee and in view of the forthcoming votes, I think it w...

Lord Lucas | 837 c362GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would much rather not. We are due to end at 8.15 pm and I should like to hold to that...

Viscount Stansgate | 837 c362GC (Link to this contribution)

All right, we shall make as much progress as we can.

Amendment 197A

Lord Holmes of Richmond | 837 cc362-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Holmes of Richmond

197A: After Clause 103, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Holmes of Richmond | 837 cc363-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to take part in today’s Committee proceedings. I declare my technology...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 cc364-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name in support of the stand part notices of the noble Lord, Lord Cleme...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 837 c365GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak briefly in support of, first, the amendments in the name of my noble fr...

Viscount Stansgate | 837 cc365-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself in a fortunate position: we have made progress fast enough to enable me t...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 837 c367GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a Division in the Chamber. There are two votes back to back so the Committee w...

Viscount Stansgate | 837 cc367-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not have the benefit of seeing a Hansard update to know after which word I was interrupted a...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 cc368-370GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a pleasure to listen to noble Lords’ speeches in this debate. We are all ve...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 cc370-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to what has been an excellent debate on th...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c371GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Holmes, the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, and the noble Lord, Lord Cle...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 837 c373GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I am wondering whether the Minister is going to say any more on the amendment in ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc373-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise if I have misunderstood. It sounds like it would be a unit within the ICO responsible...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

One of the crucial aspects has been the reporting of the Biometrics and Surveillance Camera Commi...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes. There are indeed a number of different elements of surveillance camera oversight; those are ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 837 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that the police are one of the key agencies that will be using surveilla...

Viscount Camrose | 837 cc374-6GC (Link to this contribution)

No. I was saying that there was extensive consultation, including with the police, and that that ...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to go back to some of the surveillance points, one of the issues is the speed at which ...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. In many ways, this is advantageous. The Information Commissioner obviously has a foc...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Viscount saying that splitting it all up into multiple different places is more effe...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

I do not think we are moving from a simple position. We are moving from a very complex position t...

Viscount Stansgate | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister reassure the Committee that, under the Government’s proposals, there will be suf...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. The information commission will be accountable to Parliament. It is required to prod...

Viscount Stansgate | 837 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister write to the Committee, having taken advice from his Home Office colleagues?

Lord Holmes of Richmond | 837 c377GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who participated in the excellent debate on this set of amendme...

Viscount Camrose | 837 c378GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Camrose

198: After Clause 108, insert the following new Clause—

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Notes
Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland legislative consent sought.
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