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Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 4 March 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Sharpe of Epsom and Lord Stewart of Dirleton. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Lord Coaker.
Lords report stage first day. Amendment 2 agreed to on division (274 to 172). Amendment 4 agreed to on division (282 to 180). Amendment 7 agreed to on division (277 to 167). Amendment 9 agreed to on division (258 to 171). Amendment 12 agreed to on division (260 to 169).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
836 cc1326-1424 
Session
2023-24
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Report stage
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House of Lords chamber
Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill 2023-24. Brought from the Commons
Thursday, 18 January 2024
Bills
House of Lords
Legislative scrutiny: Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill. Joint Committee on Human Rights second report
Wednesday, 7 February 2024
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Bill. Constitution Committee third report
Friday, 9 February 2024
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2024-0289
Wednesday, 6 March 2024
Deposited papers
House of Lords

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Deposited Paper DEP2024-0290
Wednesday, 6 March 2024
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c1326 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chakrabarti

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 2, after “The” insert “first”...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after such a thorough Committee, which showed this House—if not the Government or their...


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Viscount Hailsham | 836 cc1327-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by saying how much I regret the death of my noble friend Lord Cormack. He was a...

Baroness D'Souza | 836 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendments 10 and 43 in this group. I remain concerned about the pot...

Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich | 836 cc1328-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak in favour of Amendments 1, 3 and 5 tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Cha...

Lord German | 836 c1329 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support all the amendments in this group. It is absolutely critical that domestic an...

Lord Howard of Lympne | 836 cc1329-1330 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by associating myself with the remarks of my noble friend Lord Hailsham about t...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 836 cc1330-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is a very interesting speech but what we are being asked to do here is to vote on ...

Lord Green of Deddington | 836 c1331 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be extremely brief. Some important points have been made, but I want to focus o...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 cc1331-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by paying tribute to my old friend Lord Cormack, whom I knew for 60 years. I fi...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 836 cc1332-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief, but I would like to associate myself with the remarks of the noble Lor...

Lord Lilley | 836 cc1333-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to and read the debates so far with great respect. They have been domin...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot claim to remember this clearly, but did anybody challenge with evidence the earlier case...

Lord Lilley | 836 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot say what today’s Supreme Court would do, but the supreme courts of our country in those ...

Viscount Hailsham | 836 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

This is a different situation. Here we have the expression of opinion by the Supreme Court being ...

Baroness Meacher | 836 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think it is relevant to cite France. The fact is that this country has a great...

Lord Lilley | 836 cc1334-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure what the noble Baroness’s question to me is, but, as a great Francophile, I am sorr...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

As a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, I was in Rwanda last Thursday. More particula...

Lord Dubs | 836 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

If that is so, why or how is it that a number of refugees from Rwanda have been given asylum prot...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord will be well aware, the treaty is directly reflective of all the Supreme Court’...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 836 cc1335-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at this stage of the debate on this group, we are looking at two distinct things. One i...

Lord Tugendhat | 836 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the most reverend Primate. I begin by saying how much I agr...

Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon | 836 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too was in Rwanda last week, and the noble Lord, Lord Murray, seems to have left out ...

Lord Cromwell | 836 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two brief points. First, on Patrick Cormack, yes, he did speak often and, yes, t...

Lord Coaker | 836 cc1337-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to wind up this group of amendments for His Majesty’s Opposition. We h...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc1339-1342 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of the Government Front Bench, I will first speak about noble Lords who have ...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1342 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend asserts that the Government are complying with the rule of law and resp...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc1342-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the point of the Bill is to move the matter into the diplomatic and political sphere. T...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 836 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

My point on the question of costs was not so much the £0.5 billion, but that the chair of the Hom...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will permit, I will defer answering that question until later.

So it is i...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not succeed in my urging of brevity, but never mind. I am grateful to all noble L...

Lord Coaker | 836 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Coaker

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at end insert “while maintaining fu...

Lord Coaker | 836 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House.

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 12, leave out “is a safe co...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 cc1345-1350 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are four amendments in this group, all of which are in my name and to which the n...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 836 cc1350-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my tribute to those already paid to Lord Cormack. My particular knowledge of him ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 836 c1351 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow the noble Lord with much respect for his contributions to your Lordships’ Hous...

Lord Deben | 836 cc1351-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise because of the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson. He suggested that those o...

Baroness Meyer | 836 cc1353-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am standing to tell the truth. As a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, I ...

Lord Cashman | 836 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness referred to the LGBT situation in Rwanda. Can she indicate to the House which ...

Baroness Meyer | 836 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

We met the Rwanda Women’s Network, which was very interesting. We also met the Hope and Care Orga...

Lord Cashman | 836 cc1354-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for that and will not detain the House any longer, but it is important...

Baroness Meyer | 836 c1355 (Link to this contribution)

I am not LGBT, so I have no idea, but from the evidence we heard it seems to be a little frowned ...

Lord Cashman | 836 c1355 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I shall not detain the House, but I shall refer to this situation and the expression of on...

Lord Inglewood | 836 c1355 (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, I shall add a few comments to the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Deben. In his rem...

Lord German | 836 cc1355-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying to the noble Lord, Lord Deben, that I have come to the same conclusio...

Lord Lilley | 836 c1357 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do urge noble Lords to use some common sense. It is inconceivable, if this Bill is en...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c1357 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether the Minister would care to comment on whether he agrees with the analy...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1357-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. The partnership between the UK and Rwa...

Lord Deben | 836 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

I accept everything the Minister says, but it is all about what will happen in future. He is aski...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been extraordinarily clear on this subject. As I said, the Bill provisions come ...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend says that it will confuse it; it is actually perfectly straightforward. If everyt...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

I say to my noble friend that I am about to come on to the workings of the monitoring committee i...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the Minister. Could he confirm to the House that the Minister, which...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1360 (Link to this contribution)

I think I have already answered that. The Bill provisions come into force when the treaty enters ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 836 c1360 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry for interrupting again, but that is not quite an answer to my question. Could the Minister ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1360-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I disagree. I am afraid that is an answer to this particular question. I think it is. T...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 836 c1361 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister, who has given us a great deal of new information about the mo...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1361 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Lord says, but I have answered this in considerable detail now.

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 836 c1361 (Link to this contribution)

The more detail the Minister gives about the virtues of the monitoring committee, the stronger hi...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1361-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as set out in the monitoring plan, the monitoring committee will ensure that there is a...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 836 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I return to the question I asked him earlier: will he now tell the...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as has already been discussed, the lower house of the Rwandan Parliament passed its tre...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I do not want ...

Lord Geddes | 836 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

I must advise the House that, if Amendment 4 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 5, due to pre-...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

7: Clause 1, page 2, line 31, at the end insert—

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Lord Hope of Craighead | 836 c1362 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House on this amendment.

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 836 cc1362-1370 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I call the next amendments, I will explain the order of pre-emption, because it ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 836 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

I remind noble Lords that, if Amendment 9 is agreed to, I will be unable to call Amendments 10 an...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

9: Clause 2, page 2, line 34, at end insert “unless...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 cc1370-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 9 and address Amendment 12 in my name and those of my noble fr...

Lord Blunkett | 836 c1371 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Ipswich. I am glad that this evening...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc1371-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow my noble friend Lord Blunkett. I apologise to your Lordship...

Viscount Hailsham | 836 c1372 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support what the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, has said, as well as, of ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 cc1372-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as well as supporting the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, I rise to speak to Amendment 16, w...

Baroness D'Souza | 836 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what needs to be said about the risk of torture and inhumane treatment has already been...

Bishop of Manchester | 836 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Ipswich, for sponsoring Amendments 9 ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a member of the JCHR delegation, I had the benefit of visiting the very hospital in ...

Lord Scriven | 836 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to follow the noble Lord, Lord Murray, and his trying to portray mental he...

Lord Cashman | 836 cc1374-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said earlier when talking to a group of amendments, I spent a great deal of time i...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 836 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 23 and 27, in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Lord Horam | 836 cc1375-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am concerned about Amendment 9 from the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, which on the face ...

Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich | 836 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords would expect the Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich to support the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Coaker | 836 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we very much support Amendments 9 and 12, which the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, has led ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1376-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. I will turn first to Amendm...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 836 c1379 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm that the arrangement described in Article 10(3) of the treaty has been d...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1379-1380 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I do not know the answer to that question. I will find out and come back to the noble...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt. What investigations have the Government made of whether that support is ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1380-1 (Link to this contribution)

I was about to answer the noble Baroness’s questions, because safeguarding arrangements are set o...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this fast-paced debate, and for the generous and...

Lord Scriven | 836 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

Speaking for myself, I would just say in answer to the noble Lord’s questions that the answer is ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 cc1381-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. I should say in fairness to the Minister that I did have a letter about Northern I...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 836 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot call Amendments 10 and 11 due to pre-emption. I remind the House that Peers sh...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

12: Clause 2, page 2, line 41, leave out subsection...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 836 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to test the opinion of the House.

Baroness Lawlor | 836 cc1382-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Lawlor

17: Clause 2, page 3, line 13, leave out subsection (5) and ...

Baroness Lawlor | 836 cc1389-1391 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the aims of the Bill and I hope that it—and they—will succeed, that it will n...

Lord Frost | 836 cc1391-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak in favour of Amendment 17, tabled by my noble friend Lady Lawlor, to ...

Baroness Hoey | 836 cc1392-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly support Amendment 17 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Lawlor. I w...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc1393-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 18, and Amendment 20 which I share with the noble Viscount, ...

Baroness Lawlor | 836 c1394 (Link to this contribution)

I ask the noble Baroness to be clear about what I proposed and to what I was referring. I was ref...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 cc1394-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for her clarification. As I pointed out, and I think the...

Baroness Lawlor | 836 c1396 (Link to this contribution)

May I clarify that my amendment is designed to promote the aims of the Bill to remove people who ...

Baroness D'Souza | 836 c1396 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might add a few words to this debate on the Human Rights Act. I point out tha...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 836 cc1396-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wanted to make a couple of brief points in support of Amendments 20 and 21. In Commit...

Lord German | 836 c1397 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 21 in my name and also link that with Amendments 20 and 18. I...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c1397 (Link to this contribution)

Is the logic of the noble Lord’s point therefore that the Government would be better to repeal th...

Lord German | 836 cc1397-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, we simply keep the Human Rights Act, which does the job we are seeking here. Naturally, of co...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 836 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak quite briefly. The amendments in this group again demonstrate the threat t...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc1398-1401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, has flung down the gauntlet and, on behalf of His Majest...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 836 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

I think a closer reading of Amendment 18 will demonstrate that it is not ensuring that the Govern...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 836 cc1401-3 (Link to this contribution)

In her address today and I think at an earlier stage, the noble Baroness described the functionin...

Baroness Lawlor | 836 c1403 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend the Minister; I am very grateful to him for his courteous and thoughtful ...

Lord Etherton | 836 c1403 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Etherton

22: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, after “question” insert “or, wh...

Lord Etherton | 836 cc1404-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to related amendments that I have tabled: Amendments 24, 26, 28 and 3...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 836 c1405 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to the four amendments tabled by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Et...

Lord Cashman | 836 cc1405-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss. Before I ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 836 c1406 (Link to this contribution)

The characterisation of the mentality in Rwanda that the noble Lord asserts does not reflect that...

Lord Cashman | 836 cc1406-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that considered intervention. I can speak only according to my direct ...

Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich | 836 cc1407-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 42 tabled by the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss. My ...

Baroness Hamwee | 836 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name would have been on the amendment of the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 836 cc1408-1411 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 44 in this group, which is in my name and supported by the noble a...

Lord Stirrup | 836 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having tried earlier in the day during Questions to be supportive of the Minister, let ...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 836 cc1410-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is an irrefutable case, in my view. It is very odd when you think about it. We ha...

Baroness Coussins | 836 cc1412-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support Amendment 44 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Browne of Ladyton, ...

Lord German | 836 cc1413-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group, similar to the third group, demonstrates the risk to individuals where thei...

Lord Coaker | 836 cc1414-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we come to the end of today’s consideration of the Bill before us, I start with the ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1416-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments go to the issue of whether it is safe to relocate a person to Rwanda f...

Lord Scriven | 836 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister tell the House what legal provisions are on the statute book in Rwanda for the “...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1417-9 (Link to this contribution)

No, I cannot. I will have to come back to the noble Lord.

Rwanda is a signatory to the 2011...

Lord Scriven | 836 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has just said something at the Dispatch Box that is not factually correct. He said t...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 cc1419-1420 (Link to this contribution)

Is that correct? It sounds very moot to me, legally. I said that Rwanda must

“have regard t...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 836 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister answer the question I asked in February when this review was announced: will an...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, they will be deported to Rwanda.

In conclusion, the Government of Rwand...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 836 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

In relation to modern slavery, is there any law in Rwanda that protects those suffering from mode...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

I am unable to comment on Rwandan law, but, of course, the treaty takes care of this and I went i...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 836 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

As far as I know, there is no legislation to that effect in Rwanda.

Baroness Coussins | 836 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will the review of ARAP decisions apply to the Afghan interpreters and translators and ...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

When I was explaining the ARAP situation, I pointed out the difficulty of assessing and accessing...

Lord Scriven | 836 cc1421-2 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will not be able to answer this, but I would appreciate it if he could write to me a...

Lord Sharpe of Epsom | 836 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I am advised by my noble and learned friend Lord Stewart of Dirleton that “must” and “shall” both...

Lord Etherton | 836 cc1422-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for that analysis of the speeches made and the Government’s re...

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