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Victims and Prisoners Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 31 January 2024, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bellamy. The answering members were Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede and Baroness Thornton.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 2 to 4 agreed to. New clause under consideration. (Part 2 of 2).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
835 cc1243-1265 
Session
2023-24
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Victims and Prisoners Bill 2022-23 to 2023-24. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 6 December 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Victims and Prisoners Bill
Wednesday, 31 January 2024
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 cc1243-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, now we are once again resolved into a Committee, I can say that it is particularly humb...

Baroness Newlove | 835 c1246 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendment 23. In my previous term as Victims’ Commissioner, a gov...


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Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 c1247 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I can only entirely agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Newlove. If somet...

Baroness Hamwee | 835 c1247 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to answer the noble Lord’s rhetorical question, or perhaps pre-empting it, the Justice ...

Lord Sandhurst | 835 cc1247-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a member of the justice committee, and I endorse everything th...

Baroness Brinton | 835 c1248 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with everyone who has spoken so far. I say to the Minister that, given the ment...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 835 cc1248-9 (Link to this contribution)

I find myself in a difficult situation, because in the previous group I had said that we should n...

Lord Bellamy | 835 c1249 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, and others, who have spoken in this part ...

Lord Bellamy | 835 c1249 (Link to this contribution)

I was just going to finish my sentence, but of course I give way to the noble Baroness.

Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 c1249 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry for being premature. I totally see the Minister’s point about the challenge of taking ...

Lord Bellamy | 835 cc1249-1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for that intervention and clarification. Perhaps I could explain why the ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 835 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene. I have been listening and have found the arguments very persuasive. If t...

Lord Bellamy | 835 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

The Government’s view is, first, that there is no need to go down this route at all, because the ...

Baroness Newlove | 835 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, I am not a legal person, so I am just trying to join the dots, if you will bear with ...

Lord Bellamy | 835 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for her intervention. Let me have another go at explaining it. ...

Lord Bellamy | 835 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Well, that is not the Government’s advice.

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Baroness Newlove | 835 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I think there is a miscommunication here. The courts may be saying that these are...

Baroness Brinton | 835 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble and learned Lord gets up—I know that is the inverse of the usual statement—perha...

Lord Bellamy | 835 cc1251-2 (Link to this contribution)

If I may say so, sometimes one is in the middle of the flow of one’s argument and people jump up ...

Baroness Hamwee | 835 c1252 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to stop the Minister when he is in full flow. I understand how difficult it must be...

Lord Bellamy | 835 cc1252-3 (Link to this contribution)

I think the short answer is that the purposes of those later clauses is to impose a statutory dut...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 c1253 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords who participated in this debate.

I remind noble Lords that...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 c1254 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chakrabarti

24: Clause 3, page 3, line 28, at end insert “and the C...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 c1254 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the risk of trying the Committee’s patience, we are now talking about the role of th...

Baroness Newlove | 835 cc1254-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the role of the commissioner is to review the operation of the victims’ code. The 2004 ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 cc1255-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will amplify what the noble Baroness just said by actually quoting from the Governmen...

Baroness Hamwee | 835 c1256 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have my name to Amendment 49 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, on the...

Baroness Brinton | 835 c1256 (Link to this contribution)

From these Benches, I will be extremely brief, because I agree with everything that has been said...

Baroness Thornton | 835 cc1256-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Newlove, said it right when she said that it is time to give t...

Lord Bellamy | 835 cc1257-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful, once again, to all noble Lords who have spoken to this group of amendments, w...

Baroness Brinton | 835 c1258 (Link to this contribution)

I am mindful of the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Newlove: because the Victims’ Commissi...

Lord Bellamy | 835 c1258 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that that point deserves full consideration alongside other points.

Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 c1259 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords in the Committee, in particular the Minister. He will forgive me...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 c1259 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Russell of Liverpool

30: After Clause 4, insert the following new Claus...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 835 cc1260-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are starting this group, but I suspect that we will stop it in about 29 minutes, so ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 835 cc1263-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group is about giving teeth to the toothless tiger that is the victims’ code. To b...

Lord Sandhurst | 835 cc1264-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope I can do this in the time allotted, as they say.

I shall speak to Amendmen...

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