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Neighbourhood Planning Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 23 February 2017, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth and Lord Young of Cookham.
Lords report stage first day.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
779 cc418-492 
Session
2016-17
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Neighbourhood Planning Bill 2016-17. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 8 February 2017
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c418 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc418-421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should first declare my interests. I have a legal case pending. I have taken advice f...


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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc421-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will say a few words which I think will help the House in the context of my noble fri...

Lord Shipley | 779 cc422-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should declare at the start of Report that I am a vice-president of the Local Governm...

Earl of Caithness | 779 c423 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the House for not having taken part in the Bill so far: every time I wan...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 779 cc423-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of the spirit of what my noble friend Lady Cumberlege is trying to a...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 cc424-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start my remarks by making my usual declarations. I refer the House to my register of...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc425-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on this amendment, particularly...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc427-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I agree very much with my no...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c428 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

2: Clause 3, page 5, line 7, at end insert—

“(3C) ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc428-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group concern the position of the examiner. An awful lot of anno...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 cc429-430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 2 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, concerns phasing condit...

Lord Mawson | 779 c430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to speak in this debate, but having listened to the noble Baroness, hav...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc430-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for moving the amendment in the second group, and the noble Lor...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c431 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for his support throughout this. It seems to me t...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c431 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

3: Schedule 1, page 43, leave out lines 24 to line 8 on ...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc431-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group concern the examiner. The examiner comes into the scene qu...

Lord Shipley | 779 c434 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want just to add a brief comment, but not to repeat what the noble Baroness, Lady Cum...

Lord Mawson | 779 c434 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to intervene but this is a very important conversation in relation to t...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 cc434-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 3 and 4 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege, carry on the sam...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc436-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in this part of the debate. I shall deal brie...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc438-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I was interested in what the nob...

Lord Beecham | 779 cc439-440 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

5: Clause 7, page 8, line 14, at end insert—

“(1CA) The d...

Lord Beecham | 779 cc440-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the second last amendment to Clause 7. It is striking that in a piece of legisl...

Lord Shipley | 779 c441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 5, which contains an admirable list of the documents that a develop...

Lord Lansley | 779 cc441-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may interject on this group, although not in relation to Amendment 5. I am su...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 779 c442 (Link to this contribution)

Like my noble friend Lord Lansley, I will speak to Amendment 8, not to support it but as an oppor...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc442-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who participated in the debate on the amendments in this group....

Lord Lansley | 779 c444 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, will he undertake to at least look at defining rather better th...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c444 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord responds to that, could he also say a little about the reimbursement proces...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 779 c444 (Link to this contribution)

Following on from that point, on the basis that district councils are not getting paid for carryi...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 779 c444 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot help but stand up at this moment. It seems to me that the solution to this who...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc444-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in response to that last intervention, the answer is no. However, if my noble friend wo...

Lord Shipley | 779 c445 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there was a brief debate a moment ago about who would pay the bills where a county coun...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 c445 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, and I apologise to my noble friend Lord ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c445 (Link to this contribution)

We do not want the county council network deciding on arbitration.

Lord Beecham | 779 cc445-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am still recovering from the shock of the support of the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, fo...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 c446 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very clear. The option is available at the moment for the Secretary of State to t...

Lord Beecham | 779 c446 (Link to this contribution)

That is an option of what might be called undemocratic centralism, which is not to be relished.

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c446 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cumberlege

6: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc446-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment is self-evident. It harks back to my opening remarks and seeks to clarify...

Baroness Pinnock | 779 cc447-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I draw attention to my entries in the register of interests as a councillor in the boro...

Baroness Parminter | 779 c449 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 40, tabled in my name, is included in this group and carries on the theme of ...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 779 c449 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should appear to be sympathetic to anything that seeks to push power back into the ha...

Lord True | 779 cc450-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to noble Lords for appearing late but I have been performing duties for wha...

Lord Shipley | 779 cc451-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to all three amendments in this group; I will try not repeat what o...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc452-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in a far-ranging debate on many important...

Lord True | 779 c455 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, I will say that I am grateful for the measured tone of his resp...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 c455 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend very much for that point and I apologise for not picking it up in my earl...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 cc455-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank those noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I particularly value the ...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 779 c457 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Gardner of Parkes

9: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clau...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 779 cc457-8 (Link to this contribution)

This is in some ways a minor amendment but in other ways a hugely important issue for ordinary pe...

Lord Beecham | 779 c458 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness as an ordinary working Peer. I hope that the Minister will...

Lord Beecham | 779 c458 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I will simply commend these amendments.

Lord Tope | 779 c458 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the intention of the noble Baroness, Lady Gardner. She is right that pr...

Lord Swinfen | 779 c458 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support these amendments. They appear to be drafted in favour of the person who...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc458-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Gardner of Parkes for tabling these amendments and the nob...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 779 c459 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister clarify when he will talk to me about this? Is he planning to talk prior to Thi...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 c459 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not given it much thought; obviously I have quite a lot on between now and Third ...

Lord Swinfen | 779 c459 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, what is the difficulty? Surely all the planning authority has t...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 c459 (Link to this contribution)

The difficulty relates to the other amendment. It is only fair that we inform local authorities a...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 779 c459 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome what the Minister said. It sounds as if he is thinking kindly of Amendment 9, which is ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 cc459-460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have given an undertaking to take this away and implement it by the end of the year. ...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 779 c460 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to have made a bit of an issue out of all this, but the Minister has been very good in...

Baroness Parminter | 779 c460 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Parminter

10A: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Parminter | 779 cc460-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the leave of the House, in the unavoidable absence of my noble friend Lord Taylor ...

Lord Best | 779 cc461-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not declared interests during the course of the Bill so far, so declare that I a...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 779 c462 (Link to this contribution)

I also support the amendment, although no one should panic—I might not vote in a Division, if it ...

Lord Teverson | 779 cc462-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also very much support this amendment from my noble friend. I declare that I have cha...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c463 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. We discussed this amendment in Grand Committee. There was cross-p...

Archbishop of York | 779 cc463-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I spoke at Second Reading about building flourishing communities, not just houses, and ...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 779 c464 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak on the amendment, but my degree of rage is rising so I feel...

Lord Lansley | 779 c464 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness mentions Cambourne, which of course was in my former constituency. T...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c464 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had examples of new developments that were produced centuries ago, in the 1800s...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 779 c465 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate. I thank the most reverent Prim...

Baroness Parminter | 779 c465 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords from all Benches, including the most reverend Primate, for supporting this ve...

Viscount Simon | 779 c466 (Link to this contribution)

In calling Amendment 11, I must advise your Lordships that if it is agreed to, I cannot call Amen...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c466 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

11: Clause 13, page 13, leave out lines 26 to 33

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 cc466-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 11 in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Parminter, deletes the pro...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 cc467-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the co-pilot is in charge of this part of the Bill. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lo...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his response and will happily withdraw my amendment in a moment. I sti...

Baroness Fookes | 779 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I call Amendment 31. I am so sorry, I turned over two pages. I was not trying to hurry the House ...

Lord Beecham | 779 c470 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

15: Clause 13, page 14, line 5, at end insert “including in ter...

Lord Beecham | 779 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can reassure the Deputy Speaker that I shall not take long. The amendment deals with ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c471 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for moving his amendment. I do not think there is any d...

Lord Beecham | 779 c472 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am reassured up to a point, but I would have thought it would be better to have these...

Lord Beecham | 779 c472 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

16: Clause 13, page 14, line 5, at end insert—

“(2A) Regu...

Lord Beecham | 779 c472 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 16 and 17 in this group are connected to issues of major concern. They seek ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 cc472-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am, again, grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for explaining the reasons behin...

Lord Beecham | 779 c473 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply. I am partly reassured by reference to the ...

Lord Stunell | 779 c474 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stunell

18: Clause 13, page 14, line 5, at end insert—

“(2A) No r...

Lord Stunell | 779 cc474-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendments 18 in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Parminter, I will a...

Baroness Parminter | 779 cc476-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as these amendments are also in my name I want to add that I think that they are an inc...

Baroness Cumberlege | 779 c477 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support these amendments. If my memory serves me right, in Committee we vote...

Archbishop of York | 779 cc477-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Cumberlege. I was whispering to her beca...

Baroness Andrews | 779 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try not to embarrass the co-pilot any more but he is a reasonable man, and these...

Lord Lansley | 779 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, pre-commencement planning conditions arise both in this group and the subsequent one. C...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 779 c480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too commend the trustworthiness of the noble Lord, Lord Young, mainly because we Youn...

Lord Shipley | 779 c481 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree that Amendments 18 and 25 are important, although the comments of the noble Lor...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 cc481-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate—particularly to the...

Lord Stunell | 779 cc483-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and noble Lords who have contributed to the debate. I thank particularly my ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c484 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

19: Clause 13, page 14, leave out lines 6 and 7

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 cc484-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments concern Clause 13, which we debated in previous groups, and the restri...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 779 c487 (Link to this contribution)

I must advise the House that if Amendment 19 is agreed to, I am not able to call Amendment 20 for...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 cc487-491 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for speaking to his amendments. He said that the G...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 779 c491 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not disputing for one minute that the Government have said what their intention is...

Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c492 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

29: Clause 13, page 14, line 15, at end insert—

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Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c492 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

31: Clause 13, page 14, line 29, at end insert—

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Lord Young of Cookham | 779 c492 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

33: Clause 13, page 14, line 36, at end insert—

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