Housing and Planning Bill
Wednesday, 13 January 2016
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Moved by
Lord Greaves
A1: Clause 12, page 8, line 17, leave out “rogue” and insert “s...
My Lords, it is an exciting privilege to set off this Committee. I do not know how many sittings ...
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My Lords, this is a perfect description of the kinds of people we are dealing with. It will empha...
My Lords, I am so pleased to be on the same side as the noble Lord who has just spoken. It seems ...
My Lords, I understand why the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, would not wish to be considered to be a ...
My Lords, before I begin, I will correct a comment I made at Second Reading. At col. 1266 in
<...My Lords, I speak as a humble landlord. How will I know whether I am a rogue?
The noble Lord will know very well if he is a rogue landlord, because I will now read out the def...
My Lords, that is not the correct definition, with respect to the Minister, unless being banned b...
Moved by
Lord Beecham
C1: Clause 13, page 9, line 1, leave out from “means” to end of...
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 8ZA. Both amendments stem from the 20th report of the D...
My Lords, I rise in support of the amendments that have just been introduced. At Second Reading I...
My Lords, it is quite understandable why the Government have been—if I may put it like this —so l...
My Lords, I want to intervene briefly again, because this raises an issue of principle which came...
Amendments C1 and 8ZA relate to the same issue, so I shall address them together. Amendment C1 wo...
Before the Minister sits down, can I confirm my understanding of what she has said about secondar...
I thank the noble Lord for seeking that clarification. I said that we were planning to publish th...
My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s reply so far as it goes but there remain significant p...
I am happy to consider it, but the guidance for the local authorities will make it clear in what ...
That would be extremely helpful, but it would be particularly important to be clear what standard...
Moved by
Baroness Gardner of Parkes
1: Clause 13, page 9, line 10, at end insert—
...My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for covering so much of the explana...
I support the noble Baroness and, in doing so, I declare my interests, first as a professional pr...
In a sense, everything has been said about this issue, but we must put on the record, for the avo...
My Lords, I warmly endorse everything that the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, has said, and I, too, pa...
My Lords, I was a colleague of my noble friend Lady Gardner of Parkes on the Delegated Powers Com...
My Lords, I repeat my congratulations to the noble Baroness on being the first in your Lordships’...
My Lords, I understand loud and clear the premise of the amendment of my noble friend Lady Gardne...
My Lords, I thank all those who have contributed very helpfully to the amendment and debated it. ...
Moved by
Baroness Grender
2: Clause 16, page 10, line 12, at end insert—
“( ) A...
My Lords, these Benches welcome moves in this Bill to deal with rogue landlords, but this amendme...
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s comments and agree with everything that she has said. I sha...
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Grender, has raised a very important matter, and it is appropr...
My Lords, I support the Bill and welcome the following very clear measures to tackle the issue of...
My Lords, I support Amendments 2 and 7, and draw the Committee’s attention to my entry in the reg...
My Lords, I support Amendment 7. I appreciate what has just been said, but certainly my view is t...
I will speak to the amendments moved to and spoken by the noble Baronesses, Lady Grender and Lady...
My Lords, the amendments put forward give rise to a very simple, brutal question—I speak as someb...
My Lords, at the start of the first day of Committee, and my first contribution at that stage, I ...
My Lords, I shall answer the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, first because I ran out of time in a debat...
I have an amendment later on that refers to empty dwelling management orders, which do not work v...
I think that comes back to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, about charges...
A further question has just occurred to me. We are assuming that we are talking only about a land...
My Lords, as far as I know, the mortgagee is responsible for paying the mortgage. If the rents do...
The issue there would be whether the council had a first or second charge.
Yes, it would. May I clarify that in writing?
I wonder if the Minister can help me because I am now slightly confused. If the local authority i...
That might be the case. The point is that the local authority could recoup the costs. I think the...
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way when I was not asking her to. This is a new conventi...
My Lords, I hope I made the point clearly that ultimately, the local authority will get its money...
My Lords, I am trying to be helpful to the Minister. It would be extremely helpful if she could w...
My Lords, I think I understood what I was saying, but and I am sorry if noble Lords did not. I sh...
While all this is going on, I am conscious that there is one very vulnerable tenant and one rogue...
My Lords, I do not have any particular concerns about the rogue landlord; I am concerned about th...
That is absolutely right. I have no worries for the rogue landlord but the noble Lord, Lord Deben...
In terms of the charges on the property, I seek some clarification. We are told that the local au...
My Lords, I would assume that in those circumstances the local authority would take a second char...
I am sorry to add to the noble Baroness’s problems. However, I am slightly puzzled by the relatio...
My Lords, as I understand it, the second penalty is an enhancement of the first, so they are rela...
With respect, that does not tell us or the offender the basis on which the second penalty would b...
My Lords, Clause 20 concerns a criminal offence whereas Clause 22 concerns a civil penalty, which...
I am sorry to persist but that does not tell us the basis on which the relevant penalty would be ...
I thank the noble Lord, not for letting me off the hook but for deferring the hook. I will write ...
I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this discussion and the noble Earl, Lord Lytto...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
3: Clause 20, page 11, line 23, leave out “thi...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
5: Clause 22, page 12, line 4, leave out “20” ...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
8: Clause 22, page 12, line 13, leave out “20”...
Moved by
Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville
9: Clause 31, page 15, line 29, a...
My Lords, when I spoke previously I should have drawn your Lordships’ attention to my entry in th...
My Lords, I support the amendments moved by the noble Baroness. I have one query about Amendment ...
My Lords, my noble friend Lady Bakewell spoke to these amendments fully and explained them very w...
My Lords, I firmly support Amendment 9, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell of Hardington ...
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 16 in my name in relation to Clause 38. Amendment 16 would m...
On government Amendment 16, I do not quite understand why HMRC would want to gather these data. P...
My Lords, it is for tax purposes—to enable the rogue landlords to fulfil their tax obligations.
I am not opposed to that but are we saying that persons who are subject to the legislation in ter...
I am sorry, could the noble Lord please repeat what he just said?
Are we saying that there is a separate category for those landlords who would fall under the legi...
My Lords, it is the rogue landlords who are on the database. HMRC will have access to that databa...
Does it not already have access to the Land Registry and can therefore find out more quickly and ...
My Lords, anyone can have access to the Land Registry but not everyone can have access to the dat...
But the rogue landlord must be the owner of the property; otherwise he would not be the landlord,...
My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. I am very grateful to the...
May I revert to my Amendment 15 about the HMO licence? I do not understand the logic of the Minis...
Could the noble Lord repeat what he has just said?
Amendment 15 would prevent a landlord on the database of rogue landlords obtaining an HMO licence...
I rejected the amendment because the purpose of the database is not to ban landlords and property...
I put it to the Minister—
My Lords, is it your Lordships’ pleasure that the amendment be withdrawn?
My Lords, on that matter, I had almost forgotten what I was going to ask, but it was this: if we ...
The landlord who is on a database of rogue landlords has not necessarily been banned but may have...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
16: Page 18, line 21, at end insert—
“(5...
Moved by
Lord Kennedy of Southwark
17: After Clause 51, insert the following new Clau...
My Lords, Amendment 17, which is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Beecham, seeks to ex...
My Lords, we are being asked in this amendment whether we think there is a need for further prote...
My Lords, this is an interesting proposal and if it is introduced, leaseholders too should be inc...
My Lords, I support the amendment, because I think there is a real issue here. Speaking as a form...
My Lords, I declare my interest as the chair of the council of the Property Ombudsman, and so I a...
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for moving Amendment 17, which seeks to place int...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate. I take the point that the...
Moved by
Lord Beecham
18: After Clause 54, insert the following new Clause—
“Ac...
My Lords, I may not be visible, but I rise to move Amendment 18 and speak to Amendment 27 in this...
My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register, and will speak to Amendment 21, whos...
I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I understood that Amendments 24 and 25 were in th...
The noble Baroness is entirely correct. That is why I asked the indulgence of the Committee quick...
No, I fear we must stick with the group of amendments that we have.
I am sorry to be a misery on this, but it is rather difficult because, when we get to that point ...
I am bound by that judgment, but I did ask the Whips’ Office and was given permission so to do.
My Lords, I am not sure that the Whips’ Office has jurisdiction in these matters. The amendment i...
My Lords, I have Amendment 33A in this group. I do not want to say too much but give general supp...
I think I need to respond to that. Yes, it is correct that this would essentially be when a new r...
Indeed, but it would not be compulsory to send it back—or perhaps it would if the legislation sai...
My Lords, I should declare that I am a landlord. I support Amendment 21, tabled by my noble frien...
My Lords, I register my concern about Amendments 18, 27 and 33A because of the unintended impact ...
I do not understand how a simple act of telling the council that you are the owner of a property ...
That is a perfectly good question. I was going to end by talking about the voluntary arrangements...
My Lords, this series of amendments has raised some very interesting points. At Second Reading, I...
My Lords, we seem to be discussing two slightly separate issues in this group of amendments. The ...
My Lords, I remind noble Lords that this issue came up earlier under the Deregulation Bill. I was...
My Lords, if I may, I will take note of what my noble friend Lord Flight has said and deal with i...
Yes, it can access all data, but in particular it can access rogue landlord data. This is part of...
I am not referring to rogue landlords but to all landlords.
Absolutely—I would just make the point about the rogue ones, but the noble Lord is absolutely rig...
I am sorry to press the Minister again, but has any estimate been made of what the cost would be?...
My Lords, I am not sure whether an assessment has been made, but while I do not know what the cos...
I wonder whether the Minister can also help me. She was helpfully describing a working party whic...
It may be helpful if I tell the noble Baroness that what I discussed with my noble friend Lord Ca...
But that would suggest that the chair of the working party and that party did not produce recomme...
My Lords, the working group will meet in March and I would not want to pre-empt what it will come...
My Lords, I will not keep Members of your Lordships’ House from their dinner or from the dinner b...