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Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill

Lords committee stage third day. Schedule 4 agreed to as amended. Schedules 5 and 6 agreed to. Clauses 12 to 14 agreed to. Part 1 of 2.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
746 cc506-569 
Session
2013-14
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 21 May 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fourth report.
Wednesday, 12 June 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Alli | 746 c506 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Alli

45: Schedule 4, page 35, line 13, leave out sub-paragraphs (2) and...

Lord Alli | 746 c506 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment is boring to most because it deals with pensions issues, but important to...


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Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 746 c506 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Alli, is being very courteous in hesitating a while. If I interven...

Lord Alli | 746 cc506-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is about addressing an inequality in pensions in relation to survivor be...

Bishop of Guildford | 746 c508 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak with some sympathy for the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Alli. For once, th...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 746 cc508-510 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, treating a gay employee less favourably than a straight colleague under an occupational...

Lord Elton | 746 c510 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Ali. The best thing I can do is to endorse everything th...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 746 c510 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a very powerful case has been made. I simply want to draw attention to what the Joint C...

Baroness Barker | 746 c510 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support this amendment. When the Civil Partnership Act went through, ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 746 cc510-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my noble friend said, pensions might sound boring but, as the noble Baroness, Lady B...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 cc511-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Alli, and all others who contributed to this deba...

Lord Alli | 746 cc514-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who spoke in support of this amendment, in particular the noble...

Baroness Barker | 746 c515 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barker

46ZA: Schedule 5, page 40, line 6, after “full” insert “or i...

Baroness Barker | 746 cc515-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 46ZA I will also speak to the other amendments that are grouped wit...

Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 746 cc516-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to these amendments, having initiated this debate at Second Reading, beca...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 746 c519 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, support these amendments. When I was a family judge, I tried a number of what for me were...

Baroness Thornton | 746 cc519-520 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the Government on meeting two out of the three issues that the Bill has ...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 cc520-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Barker for introducing this group of amendments a...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c522 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think the noble Baroness has actually addressed the issue of one spouse having the right...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 c522 (Link to this contribution)

I hoped that I had responded to that, because we are clear that one spouse is not vetoing somebod...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c522 (Link to this contribution)

The point here is whether the effect of this is that the transperson cannot complete their transi...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 cc522-3 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me, but I think I am. I am saying that if someone wants to go ahead with gender reassignm...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 746 c523 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to ask the Minister about notification. Clearly, nothing can happen until the interi...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c523 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking here about a balance of rights. I think that I would like guidance, which I would ...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 cc523-4 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly accept the noble Baroness’s invitation to respond to her on that point either in a me...

Baroness Barker | 746 c524 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everybody who has taken part in what has appeared at times to be a very technic...

Baroness Deech | 746 c524 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Deech

46A: Clause 14, page 12, line 6, at end insert—

“(1A) T...

Baroness Deech | 746 cc525-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the co-signatory to this amendment, the noble Baroness, Lady O’Cathain, has asked me to...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 746 c527 (Link to this contribution)

In the absence of the noble Baroness, Lady O’Cathain, I will speak very briefly in support of thi...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 746 c527 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may make two extremely short points. First, as the previous two speakers have...

Lord Cormack | 746 cc527-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Deech. Indeed, it wa...

Lord Alli | 746 c529 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the noble Lord and the noble Baroness would accept this point. I stand by those ...

Lord Cormack | 746 c529 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, that was meant to be an intervention so obviously I will respond to the noble Lord. I sa...

Lord Pannick | 746 cc529-530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my understanding is that this amendment does not require the House to come to any view ...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 746 c530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too want to support the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, on this amendment and to thank he...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 746 cc530-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is surely not difficult to construe the meaning of Clause 14. As the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Alli | 746 cc531-2 (Link to this contribution)

At the heart of this debate is the basic premise that, given that gay marriage will occur, we sho...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 746 cc532-3 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, strongly support what the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, has said, and I supported the noble...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 746 cc533-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, nine years ago I took part in this debate, as did many others in your Lordships’ House....

Lord Cormack | 746 c534 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness not accept that we are not suggesting that where these other relationship...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 746 c534 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there is to be a relationship recognised as an extension of the concept of civil par...

Baroness Deech | 746 c534 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord and the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis, have misunderstood my point. Of ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 746 c535 (Link to this contribution)

On that issue, the situation is surely this: there is no compulsion, and if any couple, be they c...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 746 c535 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, around the Committee there is clear recognition of an injustice in inheritance tax term...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 746 cc535-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have always felt discomfort if not, indeed, some element of contempt for what is call...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 cc536-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall not detain the Committee by repeating what I said nine years ago when we debate...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 746 c537 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that I should indicate that some aspects of this discussion will arise under my...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 746 cc537-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I found the introduction given by the noble Baroness so ...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 746 cc538-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak and I am still absorbing the last comment of the noble Lord...

Baroness Thornton | 746 c539 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a very interesting and passionate debate about extending civil partnerships...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 cc539-540 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very good debate and the issues have been thoroughly explored. I congra...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 c540 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my noble and learned friend may have misunderstood me. I quite realise that the Gove...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 c540 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise if I misunderstood the point being made by my noble friend. As I indicated last week,...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 c541 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but what I am really asking the Minister is whether the Government are saying that thi...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 cc541-2 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Wallace of Tankerness: Given how specific the question is, I hope that there will be an answ...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 746 c542 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was not quite the question. The question was how much these family partnerships sa...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 cc542-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise if I misunderstood the question asked by the noble Lord. If information ass...

Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 746 c543 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord has just amused your Lordships about Irving Berlin, but what...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 746 c543 (Link to this contribution)

Having sisters of my own, I intervene to suggest that the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, has not seen ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 c543 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should perhaps just leave this on the reply of the noble Baroness, Lady Farrington. T...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c543 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for giving way. I was very intrigued by what he said about the Car...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 746 c544 (Link to this contribution)

That is the responsibility of a different department. I would be very brave to make that kind of ...

Baroness Deech | 746 cc544-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I forget, perhaps I may correct the Minister on the following point: it was Irvi...

Lord Alli | 746 c546 (Link to this contribution)

I have been reflecting on what the noble Baroness has said about not understanding the civil part...

Baroness Deech | 746 c546 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, I say to the noble Lord, Lord Alli, but I really do not get it, because what I envisa...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 746 c547 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret intervening again, but I have seen cases in my life as a domestic abuse counse...

Baroness Deech | 746 c547 (Link to this contribution)

My suggestion was, of course, a free choice and under the definition I have given, they would hav...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 746 cc547-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Lord Bishop of Ripon and Leeds

46B: After Clause 14, insert the followin...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 746 cc548-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is about education in church schools, mostly owned by the Church of Engl...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 cc549-553 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have also put my name to this amendment. My interests are in the Lords’ register. I a...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 c553 (Link to this contribution)

Can I ask the noble Baroness why she is not sufficiently reassured by the fact that the Education...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c553 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the reason is that without this amendment, the Bill changes those particular elements i...

Baroness O'Loan | 746 cc553-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment, to which I have put my name.

It has already been said t...

Baroness O'Loan | 746 c555 (Link to this contribution)

It provides an accommodation of competing rights, no more, no less. I apologise to the noble Lord...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 746 c555 (Link to this contribution)

I was anxious that the noble Baroness should not get to the end before I could ask this question....

Baroness O'Loan | 746 c555 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for the question. Having read the previous guidance, most recent...

Lord Elton | 746 c555 (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry, but I want to ask the noble Baroness a question relevant to the one she had been a...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 746 c555 (Link to this contribution)

If I might just elucidate, I said that it was not always clear what the tenets of the religion ar...

Baroness O'Loan | 746 c555 (Link to this contribution)

The current guidance provides that schools are entitled to take their religious beliefs into acco...

Baroness Richardson of Calow | 746 c556 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment sounds eminently reasonable until you try to imagine yourself a child wi...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 746 c556 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think it is probably the noble Lord’s turn.

Lord Alli | 746 cc556-7 (Link to this contribution)

I was just trying to be polite; I know that the noble Baroness likes that. If I recall correctly,...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 746 c557 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to put another point to the Committee, particularly following what the noble Lor...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 cc557-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said before, the Human Rights Act 1998 expressly incorporates into our legal syste...

Baroness O'Loan | 746 c558 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to address a point made by the noble Lord, Lord Lester. In the debate in the Hou...

Lord Pannick | 746 cc558-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, think that this amendment is unnecessary and inappropriate. The amendment is co...

Lord Eden of Winton | 746 c559 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to follow up what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, has just said and to add just on...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 746 cc559-560 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Pannick, covered the fact that no one in your Lordships’ Chamber would want ...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 746 c560 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but I have no recollection of mentioning any Secretary of State whatever. All I am anx...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 746 c561 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise if I gave that impression. I cannot think of any specific, written, recorded examples...

Lord Cormack | 746 c561 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Baroness agree that those who moved this amendment are seeking not to instil fear...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 746 c561 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that, but it is on the back of a general reference to teachers being afraid of coercion....

Baroness O'Loan | 746 c561 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to take the point that the noble Baroness just raised, I do not know whether she sugges...

Lord Elton | 746 c561 (Link to this contribution)

Can I raise a point which I think is relevant to my noble friend’s reply and also to what the nob...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 c562 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords it is not a question of European law but of UK law. The Human Rights Act requires our ju...

Lord Elton | 746 c562 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in that case they still have to go to the Supreme Court. They have to go to the top of ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 746 cc562-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of the Committee stage, as I understand it, is to scrutinise draft Bills, t...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 746 cc563-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not intend to speak in this debate but I have been referred to a few times, due o...

Baroness Cumberlege | 746 c564 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a number of noble Lords have said that this amendment is not necessary. The noble Lord,...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 746 cc564-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am here as somebody who celebrates marriage and values the ethos of church schools, b...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 cc565-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a wide-ranging debate. I am very grateful to the right reverend Prelate t...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 746 c568 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm whether the Government agree with my view about the Human Rights Act an...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 746 c568 (Link to this contribution)

I think that I have been clear in my response. I have just said that we are not convinced of a ne...

Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 746 c569 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all the noble Lords who have contributed to this debate, which was muc...

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