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Succession to the Crown Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 13 March 2013, in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
744 cc267-310 
Session
2012-13
Department
Cabinet Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Succession to the Crown Bill 2012-13. As brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 29 January 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord True | 744 c267 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

1: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Royal m...

Lord True | 744 cc267-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as this amendment was on the Marshalled List in Committee I can be brief, because I set...


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Lord Elton | 744 cc268-270 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment has been grouped so that the first and last stand together. My noble frien...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 cc270-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I broadly support my noble friend Lord True in his amendment. Indeed, at an earlier sta...

Lord Jopling | 744 c271 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I have not been able to play a part in the earlier consideration of th...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 744 c271 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an interesting discussion but, as the House will know, the Bill has three purpo...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc272-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lord True and Lord Elton for bringing forward these amendments...

Lord Elton | 744 c273 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble and learned friend sits down, perhaps he could clear up one thing in my mind. I c...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc273-4 (Link to this contribution)

Without a lot of thought, I am not sure that I want to embrace that particular analogy. The point...

Lord True | 744 cc274-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble and learned friend and all those who have contributed to this short de...

Lord Berkeley | 744 c275 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Berkeley

1A: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Su...

Lord Berkeley | 744 cc275-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment was tabled in Committee. My purpose in tabling it again today is gently ...

Lord Lexden | 744 c276 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are deeply indebted to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, for raising this important mat...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 744 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I support the principle underlying the amendment. It seems to me the logical extension of the pri...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c277 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, broadly support the principle behind the amendment, but I ask my noble and lear...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 744 c277 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we said in Committee, the Duchy is about property, business, title and, indeed, mone...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc277-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I immediately associate myself with those wishes of full recovery to Her Majesty. I als...

Lord Berkeley | 744 c278 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for his reply and to all noble Lords who have taken part in this sh...

Lord Cormack | 744 c279 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Cormack

2: Clause 2, page 1, line 7, at end insert “, provided the stat...

Lord Cormack | 744 cc279-280 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I introduced a similar amendment, but in different words, in Committee. We had an inter...

Baroness Flather | 744 cc280-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, somewhat surprisingly, I will speak to this amendment. This is my adopted country, and ...

Bishop of Guildford | 744 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my contribution to the debate on the amendment in the name of my good friend the noble ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 744 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose my noble friend’s amendment. I fully understand the Government’s decision not ...

Lord Fellowes | 744 c283 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself in something of a dilemma in speaking briefly to support this amendment. ...

Lord Crickhowell | 744 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I sat through the debate in Committee and listened to the previous effort of my noble f...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 744 c284 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my intervention will be exceptionally brief. I speak as a lifelong member of the Method...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 744 c284 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like others, I am interested to see how much clarification emerges from consideration o...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c284 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment; it goes in the right direction. It may not be pe...

Lord Kilclooney | 744 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not an Anglican; I am an Irish Presbyterian. Presbyterianism is the main religion ...

Lord Elton | 744 c285 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely agree with my noble friend in his attempt in the amendment to achieve clarit...

Lord Burnett | 744 c285 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not spoken before in this debate and I hope that noble Lords will forgive me for...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 744 c285 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join others in thanking the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Guildford for the cl...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Cormack for introducing this amendment and allowing the Ho...

Lord Empey | 744 c287 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble and learned Lord clarify one point concerning the relationship between this legisla...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c287 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an agreement that has been reached with the other Commonwealth countries. This ...

Lord Cormack | 744 cc288-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to everyone who has taken part in this short but fairly vigorous and...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 744 c289 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lang of Monkton

3: Clause 3, page 1, line 12, leave out “6” and insert ...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 744 cc289-292 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving the amendment I return to a matter that troubled me both at Second Reading an...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 744 c292 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not contributed to this debate until now but was so moved by the oratory of my n...

Lord Thomas of Swynnerton | 744 c292 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the noble Lord, Lord Lang, with his intelligent and thoughtful amendmen...

Lord Deben | 744 cc292-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been somewhat controversial during this debate so I cannot claim the virginity o...

Lord Elton | 744 c293 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has had even more ministerial experience than I have. Has he not observed that on...

Lord Deben | 744 c293 (Link to this contribution)

There comes a point at which people think that there is some nobility about a figure that has bee...

Lord Deben | 744 cc293-4 (Link to this contribution)

We had a debate on caste recently. It was quite clear that the Government could have given way. I...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 744 c294 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just wanted to ask a rather more general question of the Minister. At the moment civi...

Lord Mancroft | 744 cc294-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to support my noble friend’s amendment. I start by saying to my noble fr...

Lord True | 744 cc295-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have my name on this amendment, which I support strongly. When I intervened in Commit...

Lord Lexden | 744 c296 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment very strongly. Briefly, my points follow closely those of my n...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 744 c296 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. Twelve seems to me an eminently sensible and, indeed, a...

Lord Cormack | 744 c296 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend. He made a splendid speech in Committee and again th...

Lord Elton | 744 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I speak only to add weight to the perception that I hope that my noble and learned friend is gett...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 744 c297 (Link to this contribution)

I will live up to what the noble Lord, Lord True, expects and disappoint him. Not everyone was he...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc297-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, I thank my noble friends Lord Lang, Lord Hamilton and Lord True, who have signed...

Lord Crickhowell | 744 c299 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister referred earlier to a possible catastrophic but remote event. The fact of the matter...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c299 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the point I made is that we need to provide a balance between militating against a pote...

Lord Elton | 744 c299 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has moved on from the point that I wanted to pick up on. He is treating the neces...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc299-300 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what my noble friend says, and he makes that point well. It is, indeed, as I and the noble...

Lord True | 744 c300 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend leaves that important point—and I accept what he says about civil partners...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc300-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is not what I am saying. It depends on the jurisdiction of the place where the mar...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 744 c301 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask a practical question? If this House took the view that 12 is preferable to six, how wou...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c301 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we come to a later amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Trefgarne, I will...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 744 c301 (Link to this contribution)

Are we simply saying that an exchange of e-mails would be quite adequate?

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c301 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that if it was just that, it would be simpler. Certainly, the experience of reaching ag...

Lord Cormack | 744 c301 (Link to this contribution)

If we pass this amendment this evening, it will simply go to another place, which will give exten...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 744 cc301-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate, in particular to ...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c303 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Trefgarne

5: Clause 5, page 2, line 29, leave out subsection (2) and in...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c303 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we touched on this matter in Committee. Under the present provisions, the Bill can be b...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc303-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend very succinctly makes his point about the commencement of the Bill. I f...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c304 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble and learned friend has gone further than he went in Committee, which is reason...

Lord James of Blackheath | 744 c304 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord James of Blackheath

6: Clause 5, page 2, line 31, at end insert—

...

Lord James of Blackheath | 744 cc304-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came to Second Reading with one major concern in my mind. By Committee I had two and ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc307-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for setting out his concerns. I was grateful to him for taking ...

Lord James of Blackheath | 744 c308 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble and learned Lord for that response. The first of my two amendments is, I agree,...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c308 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Trefgarne

8: Clause 5, leave out Clause 5 and insert the following new ...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 cc308-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am concerned—I think that there was reference to this in the letter that my noble and...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 cc309-311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend makes an important point about the simultaneous implementation of these...

Lord Lexden | 744 c310 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble and learned friend sits down, has he any view as to the earliest possible point w...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c310 (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords, I do not, and I do not think that I would help the House if I tried to speculate.

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c310 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble and learned friend. He has gone further than he did at t...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 744 c310 (Link to this contribution)

Just so there is no ambiguity or misunderstanding, I think I said that before introducing the com...

Lord Trefgarne | 744 c310 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is all right. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

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