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Crime and Courts Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Monday, 10 December 2012, in the House of Lords.
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Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
741 cc860-915 
Session
2012-13
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 c861 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws

113: Clause 23, page 22, line 3, after “that” ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 cc861-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment stands in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill....


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Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not a criminal lawyer and have none of the experience that the noble Baroness, Lad...

Lord Pannick | 741 c864 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not share the concerns expressed by the two previous speakers. The broadcasting of...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord address the points raised by the Joint Committee on Human Rights, rather tha...

Lord Pannick | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have made such points as I think may assist the House in answer to the arguments brou...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for arriving late at this part of the debate. I did not propose to speak an...

Lord Pannick | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree that judges deserve all the protection necessary in those circumstances. However...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that there is something different about the moving camera? There is a ...

Lord Pannick | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

Of course there are differences, but no difference that could possibly justify these amendments. ...

Earl Attlee | 741 c865 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we need to be a little careful about adhering to the rules of Report.

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 741 cc865-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness has referred to something that happened about 20 years ago in relati...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc866-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very rare indeed that I do not wholly agree with the noble Baroness. As for my no...

Lord Beecham | 741 cc867-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the points made by my noble friend and by the noble Lord, Lord Lester. Thi...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 741 cc868-870 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always interesting to examine such issues. I have listened to the speeches and th...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 c870 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I am not sure that there could be enough locks to satisfy ...

Lord Pannick | 741 c871 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

113A: After Clause 23, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Pannick | 741 cc871-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment seeks to abolish the crime of scandalising the judiciary in England and ...

Lord McNally | 741 cc872-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder if my noble friend will give way. I want to intervene now because what I am go...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 741 cc873-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare a former professional interest in that I acted for the Northern Ireland Human...

Lord Carswell | 741 cc874-5 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Carswell:

My Lords, I support this amendment. I spoke briefly in Committee and I inten...

Lord Beecham | 741 c875 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the remarks made by the Minister and by other noble Lords. We are entirely suppo...

Lord McNally | 741 c875 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will clarify a point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. The Justice Committee in...

Lord Pannick | 741 c876 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke.

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 741 c876 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone

113AA: After Clause 23, insert the followi...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 741 cc876-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment will ensure that, where necessary, vulnerable defendants are provided wit...

Lord Beecham | 741 c877 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope the Minister can give a positive reply to the noble Baroness. She has made a pow...

Lord Woolf | 741 c877 (Link to this contribution)

I also urge the Minister to do what has just been urged by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham. It is th...

Lord McNally | 741 cc877-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble and learned Lord, Lord Woolf, has just told us, it is the duty of the cour...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 741 c879 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am heartily grateful to the noble and learned Lord and the noble Lord who have suppor...

Lord McNally | 741 cc879-880 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

113C: Before Clause 24, insert the following new Clause—

...

Lord McNally | 741 cc880-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was going to say that these were technical amendments, but I am advised that they are...

Lord Beecham | 741 c882 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, burglary is a serious crime—

Lord McNally | 741 c882 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord not want to speak at the end?

Lord Beecham | 741 cc882-4 (Link to this contribution)

No, I want to speak now if that is all right. Thank you. Burglary is a serious crime and a partic...

Lord Pannick | 741 c883 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, in the light of his very powerful speech, is he going to invite ...

Lord Beecham | 741 c883 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am treating this as a Second Reading debate, which we could and should have had some ...

Lord Woolf | 741 c885 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should disclose that I presided over the case of Tony Martin on appeal. I oppose this...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 741 cc885-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, oppose this amendment and echo everything said by the noble and learned Lord, L...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 741 cc886-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wo...

Lord Pannick | 741 cc887-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister said that householders should not be subjected to criminal liability becau...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 741 c888 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that I missed the beginning of the debate: I was engaged on other business. ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 741 c889 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have been burgled and I have absolutely no sympathy with burglars, but this ame...

Lord Goodhart | 741 c889 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret that I cannot support this new clause. I agree entirely with what the noble an...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 741 cc889-890 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak as a layman who has represented communities in which the whole family cannot go...

Lord McNally | 741 cc890-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very thoughtful debate, and people of great experience have put their v...

Lord Pannick | 741 c891 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, have the Government consulted the Lord Chief Justice and the judic...

Lord McNally | 741 c891 (Link to this contribution)

The amendment is a government amendment, and the Government stand by the amendment.

Lord Avebury | 741 c891 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Avebury

113D: After Clause 24, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Avebury | 741 cc891-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the new clause proposed by the first amendment in this group would remove the restricti...

Lord Beecham | 741 c897 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a good deal of sympathy with the noble Lord’s first amendment, but am not perhap...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc897-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend and add one further thought. In terms of public awareness, I ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc898-901 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot promise my noble friend that the Government can be ahead on these issues but I...

Lord Avebury | 741 c901 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to my noble friend the Minister for his thorough reply to these thre...

Viscount Ullswater | 741 c902 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the next amendment, I wish to announce that in the Division on Amendment 113C, ther...

Lord Ramsbotham | 741 c902 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ramsbotham

113G: Schedule 16, page 250, line 34, leave out from beginni...

Lord Ramsbotham | 741 c902 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was concerned that timing might be against us getting to this point this evening, bec...

Lord Rosser | 741 cc902-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have an amendment in this group. It is interesting that the Government’s response to...

Lord Woolf | 741 cc903-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have difficulty with these provisions, for very much the same reasons as my noble fri...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc906-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendments 113GZB and 113GC in this group, to which my noble friend Lady Linklat...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 741 cc908-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must first apologise for not being present at the beginning of this part of the debat...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 741 cc909-910 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my voice in agreement with much of what has already been said. What my noble frie...

Lord McNally | 741 cc910-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, sometimes I think that debates in this House are like two flotillas of ships passing in...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 741 c915 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may quickly say that I never used the word “violence”. The word I used was ve...

Lord Ramsbotham | 741 c915 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have spoken in this debate. I am sorry that the Minister ended in...

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