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Crime and Courts Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 27 November 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Smith of Basildon.
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
741 cc93-164 
Session
2012-13
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
Government defeats
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Crime and Courts Bill (HL) 2012-13. As amended in Committee. (Lords Minutes).
Tuesday, 30 October 2012
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2012-1835
Wednesday, 5 December 2012
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc93-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out subsection...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c94 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 1 in the first group looks at the governance of the National Crime Agency. Th...


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Earl Attlee | 741 c94 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will noble Lords try to leave the Chamber quietly in order that we can hear the noble B...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc94-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. The House has hushed immediately, such is his power...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 741 cc96-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall support this amendment simply by reflecting on my own experience. I will be ver...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 741 cc97-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. Having been a member of the police authority to which t...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames and I have Amendment 3 in this group. I ...

Lord Condon | 741 cc99-100 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my registered interests in policing. I find myself supporting the spirit of A...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc100-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Condon, for his speech and in particular for the goodwill ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc103-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the Minister stood up, he said that he hoped not to disappoint the House with his ...

Lord Rosser | 741 c104 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

5: Schedule 1, page 36, line 23, at end insert—

“( ) A per...

Lord Rosser | 741 cc104-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would require pre-appointment scrutiny of the director-general by the ap...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c105 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a difficulty with this amendment because it seems to seek not pre-appointment sc...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc105-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with my noble friend that this amendment seeks to make the appointment of the d...

Lord Rosser | 741 cc106-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. He said that he does not agree with the Select Committee h...

Earl Attlee | 741 c107 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

9: Schedule 1, page 38, line 29, at end insert—

“( ) Parag...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc107-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am conscious that there are a large number of amendments in this group, but they are ...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc109-110 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my heart sank when I saw the enormous number of government amendments to the Bill. It l...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc110-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I confess that when I see a list of almost 50 government amendments that the Minister d...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc111-2 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Smith, asked who else would compensate. I referred in my speech to a num...

Earl Attlee | 741 c112 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

10: Schedule 1, page 38, line 39, leave out from “prevent” to “t...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c112 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

14: Clause 2, leave out Clause 2

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc112-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is one of the most important and significant amendments that we are putting forwar...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 741 cc114-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my registered interest in policing. Last week, during the debates on the Just...

Lord Condon | 741 c116 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. However, I must say at the outset that I am not interested in...

Lord Dear | 741 cc116-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, declare a registered interest from my experience in policing. I would add in th...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 741 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my only excuse for intervening is that I was the author of the report on which the Terr...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 741 cc118-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Blair, concluded his remarks by advising the Government with the o...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc119-120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a job to steady the House on this issue. It is an important issue and I understa...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 741 c120 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure I entirely understand this and it may be important. Is there to be a further review...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc120-1 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely: I assure the noble and learned Lord that that is exactly the process that we are talk...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 741 c121 (Link to this contribution)

Is there another example of where powers have been added to an existing body that completely dist...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc121-2 (Link to this contribution)

A number of noble Lords will remember that in a previous role in this Government I took through t...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 741 c122 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way a second time. Would the order-making power enable...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c122 (Link to this contribution)

The effect of the order-making power would be to make new arrangements for counterterrorism polic...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc122-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for explaining some of the reasoning behind the Governmen...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c123 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

15: Clause 4, page 3, line 39, at end insert—

“(3A) In...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c127 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 4, which has the heading “Operations”, tells us that the director-general must have regard...

Lord Rosser | 741 c127 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have two amendments in this group. They would remove the requirement for the directo...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc127-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for explaining their amendments. Clause 4 already requires...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c129 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister assures us that the activities will be in sync. Circumstances indeed might...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c130 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

18: Schedule 2, page 40, line 33, leave out second “function...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 18 brings us to the issue of the framework document in Schedule 2. I am afrai...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc130-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 19 and 20. I did not wish to raise this issue again—I apolo...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc131-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall come to the amendments proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, but will sta...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c134 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the frustration over the outline framework document has arisen from the fact th...

Lord Rosser | 741 c134 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

21: Clause 5, page 4, line 38, at end insert—

“(c) may be ...

Lord Rosser | 741 cc134-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of this group of amendments is to place a duty on the director-general of t...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 741 cc136-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been trying to work out how this Bill was prepared and I can only assume that th...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c138 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was an interesting contribution from the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, on t...

Lord Rosser | 741 cc138-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response and also thank my noble friend Lord Harris of Haringey for ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc139-140 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach

24: Schedule 3, page 43, line 6, leave out “any NCA ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc140-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to propose this short series of government amendments. Intelligence will s...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c141 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

25: Schedule 3, page 43, line 22, at end insert—

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Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c142 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

27: Schedule 3, page 45, line 30, at end insert—<...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c142 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee I raised concerns, with other noble Lords, about the application of this l...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc142-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for raising these issues. Of course, it is important that we consider ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c144 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for talking about the wider context as well as the specif...

Lord Sewel | 741 c144 (Link to this contribution)

I have to inform the House that if Amendment 28 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 29 by reaso...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c144 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Hamwee

28: Schedule 3, page 50, line 14, leave out from “agreement,...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c145 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when one hears the Lord Chairman remind the House of the point of pre-emption, one feel...

Lord Rosser | 741 c145 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have two amendments in this group, and I suspect that the purpose of our amendments ...

Earl Attlee | 741 cc146-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope I can persuade my noble friend Lady Hamwee and the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, that...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c147 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I can use this moment to ask if—possibly not immediately, but shortly—the Whips...

Earl Attlee | 741 c147 (Link to this contribution)

It would cause me a heart attack. Let us wait for some clarity to arrive.

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c147 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. Perhaps we should calm down, or even, “Calm down, dear”.

I do not sug...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c147 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

31: Schedule 3, page 51, line 20, at end insert—

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Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 c148 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

31A: Clause 9, page 8, line 6, leave out paragrap...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc148-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I raised this issue in Committee with the then Minister, the noble Lord, Lord Henley. T...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc149-150 (Link to this contribution)

I shared with the noble Baroness an initial uncertainty over what this is about but it is to ensu...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 741 cc150-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord and also very grateful that he has offered to write to ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c151 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

32: Schedule 5, page 59, line 4, at end insert “and”...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c151 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

35: Clause 11, page 10, line 30, leave out paragraph...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c151 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

36: Clause 12, page 10, line 38, after “officer” ins...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c151 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

37: Schedule 7, page 70, line 28, leave out “This Part of”

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc151-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak also to Amendment 38. In Committee I sought to understand the relationship...

Earl Attlee | 741 c152 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Hamwee for explaining her amendments. I am sure that she w...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c153 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for that. I still have a feeling that one should issue Hansard a...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c153 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

39: Schedule 8, page 76, line 19, leave out sub-para...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc154-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

56: Schedule 8, page 78, line 15, at end insert—

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc156-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

59: Schedule 8, page 82, line 2, leave out paragraph...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 c158 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

71: Schedule 8, page 90, line 39, after “Agency” insert “but...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 72. These amendments take us back to freedom of informa...

Lord Rosser | 741 c159 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief since we do not have an amendment down on this subject, albeit that we ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government take their own view on issues, although we, of course, respect the Joint...

Baroness Hamwee | 741 cc161-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I opened the debate on these amendments by saying that some of our colleagues might be ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 cc162-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

73: Schedule 8, page 93, line 37, at end insert—

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Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 741 c164 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

78: Clause 16, page 12, line 13, leave out “Authorit...

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