Crime and Courts Bill [HL]

I have to inform the Committee that if Amendment 1 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 2 to 10...

I wondered whether anyone other than on the opposition Bench wanted to say something on this—I ce...

My Lords, I was thinking about not brandy but confectionery and I do not find this fudge, if one ...

My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 5, but I strongly support what the noble Lord, Lord Ramsboth...

My Lords, I endorse everything that has been said thus far in criticism. In my time, I have acted...

My Lords, I support the approach of my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham to the whole of this schedule...

My Lords, alongside those who have already spoken, I humbly subscribe my support for this amendme...

My Lords, I support entirely the sentiments behind the amendment moved so ably by the noble Lord,...

My Lords, I add my voice to the chorus of consent as to what this amendment is all about. It seem...

My Lords, I support the gist of the amendments as they have been spoken to. I apologise to the Co...

My Lords, my Amendment 2 is designed to find out rather more about the reasons behind the Governm...

My Lords, it seems a long time since I was looking forward to us reaching this part of the Bill, ...

As yet, this is so.

They are on my Christmas list.

The proposal of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, is a nuclea...

The noble Lord said that the surcharge was not a fine. Will he confirm that it has to be paid? Wh...

Yes, that is exactly the case. However, I also said that the court would be able to use discretio...

In 95% of cases it will not, because the Government have already decided that “exceptional circum...

I would be interested to know where the Opposition stand on two things. First, with the victim su...

We are certainly quite happy for people who do not pay fines to be pursued. I do not know why the...

I was asked a direct question and I gave a direct answer. The victim surcharge will be in place, ...

My Lords, I thank all those who made such powerful contributions to this very interesting and wid...

Moved by

Lord Rosser

3: Schedule 16, page 251, line 2, at end insert—

“(za) hav...

Our amendments in this group include a requirement to promote rehabilitation. This requirement ap...

My Lords, I think now is the appropriate time for me to deal with Amendment 8, which returns to t...

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord’s amendment goes to the heart of the issue. It would be iron...

I thank noble Lords for their contributions. Let us be clear: of course the five principles are i...

Will the Minister forgive me if I ask him to indicate whether he thinks there cannot be a situati...

Yes, of course, judicial discretion should remain. But what I do not want to do from this Dispatc...

The noble Lord referred to other provisions. Would he define what he means?

5.30 pm

It is difficult. I do not know at what time the noble Lord joined our debate.

I have been in and out all the time.

Which particular reference is the noble Lord asking about?

The noble Lord referred to other provisions which could be made by the judiciary in relation to A...

Well—

Perhaps I may assist the noble Lord?

If the noble Lord is going to help me, I will certainly sit down.

Yes, I was going to help the noble Lord. There are nine listed in that list whereas there are 12 ...

I will take that lifeline gratefully, but if there are other matters I will write to the noble Lo...

My Lords, can my noble friend go just slightly further into Section 142? I indicated I had realis...

I shall simply blame my Box advisers if there was an opportunity to tease my noble friend which t...

My Lords, the Minister expressed the hope that we would read the debate carefully. I would have t...

Yes. The noble Lord seems to be having difficulty. Yes, if the person turns up and learns to read...

The Minister is confusing two things. We are dealing with part of the schedule that refers to a r...

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

7: Schedule 16, page 251, line 14, at end insert—

“(2C...

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendment 10. This can be brief, because I think the Minister has...

My Lords, I had a witty response for the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, but it will have to wait. My be...

My Lords, I certainly shall. I read Hansard afterwards, so I will read what the Minister said to ...

Moved by

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone

12: Schedule 16, page 251, line 32, after ...

My Lords, in moving Amendment 12, I shall speak also to Amendment 13. The purpose of Amendment 12...

My Lords, I welcome the widespread support restorative justice has received across both Houses. T...

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I am glad that, overall, he has accepted my arg...

Moved by

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone

14: Schedule 16, page 252, line 6, at end ...

My Lords, I will speak about making provision for women—“female offenders”, as the Bill calls the...

My Lords, in supporting Amendment 14, to which I have added my name, I shall speak also to Amendm...

My Lords, I will be very brief. I support both the amendments. They are vital and I hope that the...

I will be very brief and say that we support the thrust of what has been said. We will listen car...

My Lords, this has been an important debate. It is four-square with two instincts that I had when...

My Lords, I am very grateful to have heard such a positive response from my noble friend and to h...

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

15: Schedule 16, page 254, line 33, at end insert “the use o...

In moving Amendment 15, I will speak also to Amendment 16. Again, I hope to be brief.

This ...

If the Minister were prepared to give an assurance that consultation will be wide and effectively...

My Lords, I would like to hear what the Minister has to say about each of the organisations. It w...

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Hamwee. As regards the list in Amendment 16, the probati...

My Lords, I speak to Amendments 15 and 16. I noted with some amusement that my noble friend Lady ...

My Lords, I am sorry that I did not do my homework adequately on the first of the amendments and ...

My Lords, the Government will consult on the full content of the code of practice. My noble frien...

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

17: Schedule 16, page 257, line 22, leave out “wants” and in...

My Lords, Amendment 17 is a small but significant amendment and I am going to be told that the wo...

My Lords, when I read the amendment I thought it absolutely appropriate to use the word that has ...

My Lords, I speak to Amendments 18 and 19 in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hamwee.

My Lords, this group of amendments relates to provisions in Part 6 of Schedule 16 that enable the...

My Lords, of course I will not press my amendments. Nevertheless, I am not sure that the Minister...

My Lords, again, I assure my noble friend that the defendant would know of any such use of data. ...

My Lords, it might be useful if at some point we could have a discussion whereby we can understan...

Tabled by

Lord Ramsbotham

20: Schedule 16, page 259, line 18, at end insert—

“P...

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham has asked me to say that he will of course carefully re...

Moved by

Lord Rosser

21: Schedule 16, page 260, line 24, at end insert—

“Part 8...

My Lords, the purpose of the amendment is to enable the Government to say rather more about their...

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Linklater has already put on record today, for the umpteenth time ...

I do not know whether I am flattered or worried about the assiduity—a world that seems to be cree...

I think the Minister has answered the question from the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee. We have not ...

For the record, we are considering how to give effect to those parts of the Offender Management A...

My Lords, I would not say that the noble Lord was interrupted but an explanation has been given b...

It was not our intention to do to the probation service what one suspects that this Government ar...

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

22: Schedule 17, page 261, line 27, after “unavailable” inse...

My Lords, Amendment 22 is a very low-key and minor introduction to this important new schedule ab...

My Lords, the noble Baroness raised a perfectly fair and reasonable point, to which no doubt the ...

My Lords, perhaps I can come back on this. The point is reinforced by the fact that designation u...

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for moving her amendment. When devising the new process for def...

I am grateful for the Minister’s response, but he has not quite addressed the issue. There is not...

My Lords, of course I will look in any direction that the noble Lord points me to in considering ...