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Crime and Courts Bill [HL]

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 30 October 2012, in the House of Lords, led by Lord McNally.
Clause 23 disagreed. Clauses 24 to 31 agreed to, with clauses 28, 30 and 31 agreed to as amended. Schedule 16 agreed to.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
740 cc514-586 
Session
2012-13
Department
Ministry of Justice
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Crime and Courts Bill (HL) 2012-13
Thursday, 10 May 2012
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2012-1619
Wednesday, 7 November 2012
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2012-1621
Wednesday, 7 November 2012
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord McNally | 740 c515 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155ZA: Before Clause 23, insert the following new Clause—

Lord McNally | 740 cc515-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may assist the Committee if I say a few words about the shape of this afternoon’s de...


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Lord Rosser | 740 cc517-523 (Link to this contribution)

Today, as the Minister has said, is in fact a Second Reading debate on the Government’s latest ad...

Lord Ramsbotham | 740 cc523-5 (Link to this contribution)

I have given notice of my intention to oppose the Question that Clause 23 stand part of the Bill....

Baroness Hamwee | 740 cc526-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a rehabilitation revolution will be welcome. Where I have criticisms, they are intended...

Lord Woolf | 740 cc529-530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that I can start by referring to the amendments to Part 2 before us in the most ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 740 cc530-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is clear from the Government’s response to the community sentencing consultation hel...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 740 cc532-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there have been some very important contributions to this debate. I have agreed with pr...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 740 cc533-6 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. I had not intended to speak so ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 740 c536 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak, but I strongly support the speeches of the noble Lord, Lor...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 740 cc536-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at last I rise. I will try to be relatively brief.

Like other noble Lords who hav...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 cc537-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in my contribution I cannot lay claim to the same expertise that other noble Lords have...

Baroness Warnock | 740 cc538-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Government will pay attention to everything that has been said today. T...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 740 cc539-540 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree wholeheartedly with the remarks made by the noble Baroness, Lady Warnock. In re...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 740 cc540-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the test for these amendments is whether they work in making community orders more effe...

Lord Beecham | 740 cc542-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in a previous debate, I described the then Lord Chancellor as a practitioner of the Joh...

Lord McNally | 740 cc546-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for that response. As is often the case ...

Lord Beecham | 740 c547 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister agree that it is essential that the horses run in the same direction?

Lord McNally | 740 cc547-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. We might get on to troikas in a few minutes, but we will wait for that.

I also ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 740 c548 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept the logic of the situation that, if he is right about the one-third of c...

Lord McNally | 740 cc548-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but I completely failed to follow the logic of this. Parliament is entitled to take an...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 740 c549 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister concludes, perhaps I may again raise the question of “exceptional circumstanc...

Lord McNally | 740 c549 (Link to this contribution)

I shall certainly take that back. Perhaps I may be quite clear about the Government’s intention. ...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 740 c549 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said something very interesting there and I just want to clarify it as far as we can...

Lord McNally | 740 c549 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and I think that some of the people who have been quoted as pleading exception could well be...

Lord Beecham | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

This is not on the substance but perhaps I may ask for clarification on what the Minister is movi...

Earl Attlee | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

If I may assist the Committee, we are speaking to Amendment 155ZA.

Lord Beecham | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

I know what we are speaking to but we are not voting on it. We are not agreeing these amendments....

Lord McNally | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

All is now clear. Yes, we have to accept these amendments but they are then subject to amendment ...

Lord Rosser | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

As long as we are clear—I think we are; and I am not accusing the Minister of being otherwise —th...

Lord McNally | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

I can absolutely give those assurances. The clerk advises me, and I am sure she is right, that if...

Lord Beecham | 740 c550 (Link to this contribution)

These seem exceptional circumstances and, in that light, I am sure that we will accept the ruling...

Lord McNally | 740 c551 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155ZB: After Clause 23, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord McNally | 740 c551 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move this formally. Again, these amendments are purely technical. They either have been ...

Lord McNally | 740 c551 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155A: Clause 28, page 29, line 23, after “State” insert “or Lor...

Lord McNally | 740 c551 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155CB: Clause 28, page 29, line 38, at end insert—

“( ) a...

Lord McNally | 740 cc552-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155EZA: Before Schedule 16, insert the following new Schedule—<...

Lord McNally | 740 cc559-567 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155EZC: Before Schedule 16, insert the following new Schedule—<...

Lord McNally | 740 cc567-571 (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank the House for its understanding. I am sure that your Lordships will not find when ...

Lord Beecham | 740 c571 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister may not have noticed but during his speech the clock stopped after seven m...

Lord McNally | 740 c571 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord should see me in my swimming trunks before making that judgment.

Lord Beecham | 740 cc571-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am too young to appreciate that offer.

It is ironic that notice of the Government’s inten...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 740 cc573-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the proposals for deferred prosecution agreements in the proposed new schedul...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 740 c575 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my noble friend. Can he tell the Committee where that provision is to be fo...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 740 c575 (Link to this contribution)

It can be inferred from the fact that there is a proposal that the prosecuting authority has to g...

Lord Goldsmith | 740 cc575-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first I want to declare an interest. As my noble friend Lord Beecham said, I had someth...

Lord McNally | 740 c576 (Link to this contribution)

We are all in a form of something that is not quite unique territory. Because we have used this d...

Lord Goldsmith | 740 cc576-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that. It makes sense because the questions I want to raise are very much in the...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 740 c578 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble and learned Lord not think that if he pursues that line, it will enable the party ...

Lord Goldsmith | 740 cc578-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord may be right about that. I am asking the Minister a question about the thinking. O...

Lord Woolf | 740 c579 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that this is a very positive step and could be very valuable in the administrat...

Baroness Hamwee | 740 cc579-580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I admit that I have not read these provisions in whole more than once, but when I first...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 740 cc580-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not expect to be able to be here this afternoon. In many ways, I wish I was not, ...

Lord McNally | 740 c582 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, this has been an extremely useful exercise. I am glad that we have done it in a ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 740 c582 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend does not do my argument justice. I was saying that if the Serious Fraud Office di...

Lord McNally | 740 cc582-4 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I did hear the tail end of my noble friend’s argument where he said that it would all be sel...

Lord Beecham | 740 c584 (Link to this contribution)

I am not asking the Minister to reply now because noble Lords are waiting for the next debate, bu...

Lord McNally | 740 c584 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. I could try and busk it now but it would be far more sensible to...

Lord McNally | 740 c585 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155EZD: Clause 30, page 31, line 18, at end insert “, or

...

Lord McNally | 740 c585 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155EZE: Clause 31, page 31, line 23, at end insert “and, in the...

Lord McNally | 740 c585 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155EB: Clause 31, page 31, line 28, at end insert—

“(4A) ...

Lord McNally | 740 cc585-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

155G: Clause 31, page 31, line 33, leave out “Sections 22 and 2...

Lord McNally | 740 c586 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

161: In the Title, line 4, after “tribunals;” insert “to make p...

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