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Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 21 July 2020, in the House of Commons, led by Robert Buckland and Chris Philp. The answering members were David Lammy, Joanna Cherry and Conor McGinn.
Report stage. New clause 1 (Review of legislation: National Probation Service), discussed with new clause 2 (Review of deradicalisation programmes in prisons), new clause 3 (Financial Impact Assessment Report), new clause 4 (Report on extended sentences for terrorist offenders: Scotland), new clause 5 (Report on extended custodial sentences for terrorist offenders: Northern Ireland), new clause 6 (Review of effects on children and young offenders), new clause 7 (Review of legislation: Northern Ireland), new clause 9 (Review of polygraph testing on terrorist offenders), new clause 10 (Review of sections 1 to 31), amendments and Government amendments. New clause 1 withdrawn. New clause 8 (Lone terrorists: Review of strategy), discussed with amendments and Government amendments, debated and withdrawn. Amendment to clause 4 negatived on division (189 votes to 335). Government amendments agreed to. Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
678 cc2040-2113 
Session
2019-21
Legislative stage
Third reading and Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Alex Cunningham | 678 c2041 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 cc2041-6 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Review of deradicali...


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Alex Cunningham | 678 cc2047-2050 (Link to this contribution)

In Committee, Members had a robust debate about many aspects of this Bill, which we support but b...

Matt Rodda | 678 c2049 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a detailed and comprehensive speech, examining many of these difficult i...

Alex Cunningham | 678 cc2049-2051 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that. He rightly says that this is about having an open mind....

Joy Morrissey | 678 c2051 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask why an actual age is not included in amendment 30? There is an allusion to an age, but ...

Alex Cunningham | 678 c2051 (Link to this contribution)

Personally, I thought the amendment was clear. It lays down very specific issues in relation to y...

Joy Morrissey | 678 c2051 (Link to this contribution)

If we are talking about the age at which a person is convicted of a crime and serves this type of...

Alex Cunningham | 678 c2051 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady tempts me to start to rehearse all the arguments around the age of maturity. We kno...

Alicia Kearns | 678 c2052 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly confused by the suggestion we should be extending to 25 years old when there are Me...

Alex Cunningham | 678 c2052 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about issues of maturity here, not when somebody can be an elected a Member of Par...

Joanna Cherry | 678 c2052 (Link to this contribution)

Looking at the evidence that we heard during the Bill Committee, am I right in understanding that...

Alex Cunningham | 678 cc2052-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. and learned Lady, who has explained that far better than I could ever h...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 c2053 (Link to this contribution)

Colleagues will be aware that there are a number of speakers who want to get in this afternoon. S...

Joanna Cherry | 678 cc2053-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will start by apologising to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for being slightly tardy in taking up m...

Julie Marson | 678 cc2054-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh South West (Joanna Cherry), ...

Gavin Robinson | 678 cc2058-2060 (Link to this contribution)

It is often customary to say that it is a pleasure to follow the previous speaker, but that would...

Alicia Kearns | 678 cc2060-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow such considered comments from the hon. Member for Belfast East (Gavin ...

Joanna Cherry | 678 c2062 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Member is saying, and clearly I respect her experience, but does she accept ...

Alicia Kearns | 678 c2062 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that point, but I fundamentally believe that public protection trumps rehabilitation, no...

Nigel Evans | 678 c2063 (Link to this contribution)

I do want to give time for the second group of amendments that we are discussing on Report, so I ...

Stephen Farry | 678 cc2063-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to follow the hon. Member for Rutland and Melton (Alicia Kearns). I recognise h...

Sally-Ann Hart | 678 c2064 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North Down (Stephen Farry), who spoke with great i...

Jim Shannon | 678 cc2065-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have read and listened to past debates on this issue with great interest, and particularly thos...

Alexander Stafford | 678 cc2066-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that all Members of this House agree that there are few Bills as important to the safet...

Alex Cunningham | 678 c2067 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested that the hon. Gentleman has addressed the issue of the probation service, because...

Alexander Stafford | 678 cc2067-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. I am reassured that the Prison Service and the ...

Tom Hunt | 678 cc2068-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Rother Valley (Alexander Stafford), and ...

Alexander Stafford | 678 c2069 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree with me and the Government that this decision by the courts is reprehen...

Tom Hunt | 678 c2069 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. We need to be robust in fighting it. It is not just on this issue but on ...

Duncan Baker | 678 cc2069-2070 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the passionate speech by my hon. Friend the Member for Ipswich (Tom Hun...

Jim Shannon | 678 c2070 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman feel that those who have carried out acts of terrorism in the past, and p...

Duncan Baker | 678 c2070 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree that we should make sure that those people who have committed absolutely heino...

Sarah Dines | 678 cc2070-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the thoughtful intervention speech by my hon. Friend the Member for No...

Nigel Evans | 678 c2072 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am terribly sorry, but we have to move on now.

Chris Philp | 678 cc2072-3 (Link to this contribution)

Many hon. Members today have reminded the House that our first duty as Members of Parliament is p...

Alex Cunningham | 678 c2073 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is right to mention the additional funds and so on that have been forthcoming, and w...

Chris Philp | 678 c2073 (Link to this contribution)

Numbers in the prison and probation service have been increasing over the past few years. As I sa...

Jim Shannon | 678 c2073 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister and everyone in the House will be aware that there have been three attacks in the la...

Chris Philp | 678 cc2073-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I believe that the measures that we are taking i...

Alex Cunningham | 678 cc2074-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for his introductory remarks, particularly about how we can best wo...

Conor McGinn | 678 c2076 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Nigel Evans | 678 cc2077-8 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 59, in clause 32, page ...

Conor McGinn | 678 cc2078-2080 (Link to this contribution)

The overriding priority of this Labour Opposition is and always will be to keep the public and ou...

Diane Abbott | 678 c2080 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that the concern about TPIMs is not just the breadth of measures avail...

Conor McGinn | 678 c2080 (Link to this contribution)

I do, and I pay tribute to my right hon. Friend for the work she has done on this issue and her c...

Jim Shannon | 678 c2081 (Link to this contribution)

It is very important that we look at TPIMs to make sure they are usable, but does the hon. Gentle...

Conor McGinn | 678 cc2081-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman speaks with both great personal dignity and authority on these matters. I agre...

Robert Neill | 678 cc2083-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to see the hon. Member for St Helens North (Conor McGinn) on the Opposition Fron...

Robert Neill | 678 c2084 (Link to this contribution)

I am always happy to give way to my hon. Friend and near neighbour.

Chris Philp | 678 c2084 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and south London neighbour is kind for giving way. Let me reassure him on his poin...

Robert Neill | 678 c2084 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very helpful reassurance for today’s purposes, and I am grateful for the spirit in whic...

Joanna Cherry | 678 cc2084-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bromley and Chislehurst (Sir Robert Neill), a...

Bell Ribeiro-Addy | 678 c2085 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. and learned Lady agree that the delay of the review has caused quite a lot of conce...

Joanna Cherry | 678 cc2085-6 (Link to this contribution)

I endorse what the hon. Lady says. It is important to remember that black, Asian and minority eth...

Julie Marson | 678 c2086 (Link to this contribution)

I am interested, as someone from a business background, to hear the hon. and learned Lady refer t...

Joanna Cherry | 678 cc2086-7 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Lady says, but that is what the current TPIM regime is designed to do—to ant...

Richard Holden | 678 c2087 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak briefly. As I did on Second Reading, I would like to associate a lot of my comments ...

Nigel Evans | 678 c2087 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We are going to have to introduce a time limit of five minutes to get in as many as we can...

Diane Abbott | 678 cc2087-8 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of the amendments. The stakes in any debate about terrorism and how to...

Nigel Evans | 678 c2089 (Link to this contribution)

We did add some time—[Interruption.] No, it is fine. We added a bit of time because we have just ...

Daisy Cooper | 678 c2089 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to start by endorsing some of the comments made by the hon. Member for Bromley and Chisleh...

Stuart Anderson | 678 c2089 (Link to this contribution)

As terrorism evolves, the modus operandi of terrorist groups starts to move. If more legislation ...

Daisy Cooper | 678 cc2089-2090 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, of course I accept that there will be occasions when more legislation is needed, but, as the...

Apsana Begum | 678 cc2090-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this important debate.

It is our duty to refl...

Zarah Sultana | 678 cc2091-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak about issues relating to amendments 37, 38, 40 and 46. I was seven years old on 1...

Chris Philp | 678 cc2093-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Members who have contributed to a very thought-provoking debate this afternoon. I wou...

Joanna Cherry | 678 c2094 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister anticipates my objection, so perhaps I can refer him to what the assistant chief con...

Chris Philp | 678 cc2094-6 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, I accept that. There have not been any historical cases where the standard of proof ha...

Conor McGinn | 678 c2096 (Link to this contribution)

In the brief time available, I wish, first, to thank the Minister for addressing some of the conc...

Chris Philp | 678 c2096 (Link to this contribution)

The Lord Chancellor has appeared, as if by magic, behind the Speaker’s Chair and has indicated to...

Conor McGinn | 678 c2096 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Lord Chancellor and the Minister for that commitment. The robust exchanges we have ha...

Robert Buckland | 678 cc2105-7 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

May I take this opportunity to tha...

David Lammy | 678 cc2107-2110 (Link to this contribution)

This is an important Bill, which will have a significant impact on many aspects of the criminal j...

Robert Neill | 678 c2109 (Link to this contribution)

This is a very important Bill. The Lord Chancellor and his ministerial team are to be congratulat...

Joanna Cherry | 678 cc2109-2111 (Link to this contribution)

I will not speak for long, because I have already spoken at length this afternoon about issues of...

Rob Butler | 678 cc2111-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise only briefly to state my strong support for the Bill. I should declare that prior to my el...

Robert Buckland | 678 c2112 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, my hon. Friend will be assured to know that the Sentencing Council is putting work...

Rob Butler | 678 c2112 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Lord Chancellor for reassuring me of that. I know from having served on the ...

Jim Shannon | 678 c2112 (Link to this contribution)

May I say briefly that there are many MPs in this House who have been affected by terrorism? When...

Robert Buckland | 678 c2113 (Link to this contribution)

I think it would be the right thing to do to allow our hon. Friend to compose himself for a momen...

Jim Shannon | 678 c2113 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State very much for intervening. I do recall John Birch, Steven Smart, M...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 678 c2113 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to Lords amendments to the Business and Planning Bill. I am going slowly here to allo...

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