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Future Free Trade Agreements

Debate on Thursday, 21 February 2019, in the House of Commons, led by Liam Fox. The answering members were Barry Gardiner, Graham Stuart and Bill Esterson.
Motion this House has considered potential future free trade agreements: Australia, New Zealand, US and a comprehensive and progressive agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. Agreed to on question.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
654 cc1618-1690 
Session
2017-19
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
Liam Fox | 654 c1619 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered potential future free trade agreements: Austr...

Nick Thomas-Symonds | 654 c1619 (Link to this contribution)

Numerous constituents have contacted me, very concerned about the future of our national health s...


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Liam Fox | 654 cc1619-1620 (Link to this contribution)

I have read a number of representations from a number of organisations, particularly in relation ...

Lord Spellar | 654 c1620 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for that clarification. He has made it abundantly clear that the p...

Liam Fox | 654 c1620 (Link to this contribution)

While I clearly reject the latter part of what the right hon. Gentleman has said, the rest of it ...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1620-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress. I will give way again shortly.

New opportunities are clearly ava...

David Linden | 654 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is right to refer to the emerging middle class in growing economies—India ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

The importance that the UK ascribes to human rights is extremely well documented in the range of ...

Stephen Timms | 654 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State expect the beneficial arrangements that the European Union has made w...

Liam Fox | 654 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, who takes an interest in these issues, for his interve...

Jim Shannon | 654 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

We have already shown that we are very capable of getting contracts, for instance, as the Secreta...

Liam Fox | 654 c1622 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes several interesting points, and of course not all of the improved openin...

Vicky Ford | 654 c1622 (Link to this contribution)

On scrutiny and transparency, can my right hon. Friend confirm that the legal protections for our...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1622-3 (Link to this contribution)

The UK as well as the EU have been at the forefront of improving the investor-state dispute settl...

Geraint Davies | 654 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

But surely Team EU collectively, with Britain in it, would have much more negotiating leverage ag...

Liam Fox | 654 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

I really find it quite insulting that the United Kingdom, the fifth biggest economy in the world,...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has given us a good rundown of eastern growth metrics. This is why the EU ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

But that is a false prospectus, because we want a full and comprehensive trading agreement with t...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1623 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman seriously saying that the Treasury’s suggestion that getting out of t...

Liam Fox | 654 c1624 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the hon. Gentleman feels very strongly about this. He did not like the result of the ...

Stewart Hosie | 654 c1624 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Angus Brendan MacNeil), the Chair of the Inte...

Liam Fox | 654 c1624 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the Government’s ambition is to have a full and comprehensive agreement with the EU, a...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1624-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress.

Standards have been widely debated in relation to future trade a...

Helen Goodman | 654 c1625 (Link to this contribution)

Taking the Secretary of State back to Honda’s decision earlier this week, the company said that o...

Liam Fox | 654 c1625 (Link to this contribution)

That was one of many reasons, with the main reason being changes in the international car market ...

Helen Goodman | 654 c1625 (Link to this contribution)

We would like to stay in the customs union because we export a lot to Europe. That is the simple ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1626 (Link to this contribution)

The liberalisation of global trade is to everyone’s advantage. The hon. Lady says it is a terribl...

Stephen Timms | 654 c1626 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Chelmsford (Vicky Ford) asked the Secretary of State for an assurance that th...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1626-7 (Link to this contribution)

I have done so in previous debates of this nature, in which I said that we regard the public prov...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1627 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening carefully to the Secretary of State, and his argument seems to be that, on ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1627 (Link to this contribution)

I hate to point it out, but the EU does not have a trade agreement with the US. Let me give the h...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1627-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little progress, because I know other Members wish to speak.

When we leave th...

Matt Western | 654 c1628 (Link to this contribution)

Let me come back to a point about UK-US trade. The Secretary of State will be well aware that so ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1628 (Link to this contribution)

A lot of US corporations that I speak to are very relaxed about what our relationship with the EU...

Liam Fox | 654 c1628 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but then I will make some progress.

Vicky Ford | 654 c1628 (Link to this contribution)

My constituents are very concerned about animal welfare standards. Will the Secretary of State co...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1628-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said that we give high priority to those standards, including animal welfare stand...

Lord Spellar | 654 c1629 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for mentioning the welcome developments with regard to the partner...

Liam Fox | 654 c1629 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman, as ever, anticipates my very next point. In addition to considering acc...

Mary Glindon | 654 c1629 (Link to this contribution)

The Australian Trade Minister has said that other countries in the Asia Pacific region would be c...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1630-1 (Link to this contribution)

No. The countries in the CPTPP have been quite clear that they want to finish the ratification pr...

Deidre Brock | 654 c1631 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for giving way. Let me go back to the issues around Australia—as a...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1631-2 (Link to this contribution)

At the other end of the scale, the Australia-US trade agreement was an extremely short one to neg...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1632 (Link to this contribution)

Let me provide a little extra scrutiny. The Secretary of State has talked a lot about trade polic...

Liam Fox | 654 cc1632-3 (Link to this contribution)

The mechanics of the market become immaterial if there is no market to sell into. We are looking ...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1633 (Link to this contribution)

There is a saying that the longest journey begins with the first step. I have always thought that...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1633 (Link to this contribution)

I have a philosophical question. There are two schools of thought regarding what is to blame for ...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1634 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes two distinct points. Of course, he is right to talk about the impact of ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1634 (Link to this contribution)

The Labour party’s position is that it would be inside the customs union, where it would inherit ...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1634 (Link to this contribution)

It is always the way with the Secretary of State: when he sees that a valid point has been made a...

Marcus Fysh | 654 c1634 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman aware that there is some concern among Japanese car manufacturers about whe...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1634 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point, and I will address it because he has done so in an open sp...

Geraint Davies | 654 c1635 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think it is a cruel irony that Margaret Thatcher was instrumental in creating...

Barry Gardiner | 654 cc1635-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend tempts me into a discussion about Brexit, but I am sure that if I were to be tempt...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1636 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the shadow Secretary of State for giving way and for the excellent speech that he is maki...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1636 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly do agree with my hon. Friend. Some in the Secretary of State’s party have been claimi...

Catherine West | 654 c1636 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State’s reference to the sunny uplands of post-Brexit trade rather prompts the q...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1636 (Link to this contribution)

There is no need for me to comment. The empty Benches are screaming my hon. Friend’s point louder...

Barry Gardiner | 654 cc1636-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a little progress.

The Government’s primary focus must be securing a deal with ...

Helen Goodman | 654 c1637 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1637 (Link to this contribution)

I will, but my hon. Friend has promoted me.

Helen Goodman | 654 c1637 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful; my hon. Friend is making an exceptionally important point. I have had the ceramics...

Barry Gardiner | 654 cc1637-8 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether my hon. Friend was in the Chamber just prior to the debate starting, but I ...

Liam Fox | 654 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

In a moment. Jude Brimble continued:

“Manufacturers are often based in the heart of their c...

Liam Fox | 654 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

The need to produce a new tariff policy would be required only in a no-deal scenario. I voted for...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

I have two points. First, of course I will vote for a deal, but I will not vote for the Secretary...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 654 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman cannot sit down. He has to keep going.

Barry Gardiner | 654 cc1639-1641 (Link to this contribution)

I was seeking an intervention, Madam Deputy Speaker.

According to the Office for National S...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1640 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to intervene to make a discordant point, because the hon. Gentleman was being generous...

Barry Gardiner | 654 cc1640-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. That is why I have consistently said that I believe that Brexit will do economic dam...

Paul Beresford | 654 cc1645-6 (Link to this contribution)

As usual, I have a couple of declarations to make. First, I belong to the National Farmers Union,...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1646 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman talks about improvement. I just wonder what he means by that. Does he mean exp...

Paul Beresford | 654 c1647 (Link to this contribution)

There is a list of ways in which we can look at that. Perhaps I can answer with an old story. I w...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1647 (Link to this contribution)

I really appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s anecdotes about sheep farming. He talks about improvemen...

Paul Beresford | 654 c1647 (Link to this contribution)

All I can suggest to the hon. Lady is that she gets disc two of “The Lord of the Rings”, and if s...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1647 (Link to this contribution)

I do not need to get disc two of “The Lord of the Rings”, because I already have it and have watc...

Paul Beresford | 654 cc1647-8 (Link to this contribution)

So would I, but I think it is quite possible to have some dramatic improvements in farming. Part ...

Stewart Hosie | 654 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

I start by agreeing with what the Secretary of State said about looking to have trade deals with ...

Drew Hendry | 654 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a great point about the demands made by countries such as the US. A lot ...

Stewart Hosie | 654 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to say more about the ISDS component—the arbitration competent—of these things later. ...

Angela Crawley | 654 c1648 (Link to this contribution)

One of my constituents’ biggest fears is that private companies will be able to buy off parts of ...

Stewart Hosie | 654 c1649 (Link to this contribution)

I do. It was interesting to listen to what the Secretary of State said earlier. He laid out very ...

Ben Lake | 654 c1649 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an important point about how Parliaments across the United Kingdom shoul...

Stewart Hosie | 654 c1650 (Link to this contribution)

That demonstrates that it can be done and there is nothing to be afraid of. It is vital so that S...

Angela Crawley | 654 c1650 (Link to this contribution)

To pursue that point, the increasingly broad scope of modern trade agreements is such that often ...

Stewart Hosie | 654 cc1650-2 (Link to this contribution)

Yes I do. That ties in directly to the powers the UK Government have seized over public procureme...

Marcus Fysh | 654 c1652 (Link to this contribution)

Future trade deals must be part of a coherent trade strategy, and it is imperative that, as part ...

Emma Little Pengelly | 654 c1652 (Link to this contribution)

Several Members have expressed concerns about the NHS today. We have probably all been contacted ...

Marcus Fysh | 654 cc1653-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a good point. The earlier the involvement in these conversations, the more co...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1654 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who serves with me on the International Trade Committee, for...

Marcus Fysh | 654 cc1654-6 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think it is as clearcut as that. In the Malthouse compromise, which some might have read...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1656 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to follow what the hon. Gentleman is saying as closely as I can. He talks about worki...

Marcus Fysh | 654 c1656 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Chairman of our Committee for his intervention. I absolutely agree that it makes the ...

Marcus Fysh | 654 cc1656-8 (Link to this contribution)

The backstop to the backstop to the backstop, exactly. I really do not think that we should get i...

Lindsay Hoyle | 654 c1658 (Link to this contribution)

Order. That does not mean to say that the hon. Gentleman has to take up all the time and stop oth...

Richard Bacon | 654 c1658 (Link to this contribution)

I want to point out that my hon. Friend is not the only one left on the Government Benches, altho...

Lindsay Hoyle | 654 c1658 (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I just say that there are no more Government Members on my list, which includes people...

Richard Bacon | 654 c1658 (Link to this contribution)

I really came to listen to my hon. Friend, because it is such a privilege to listen to a genuine ...

Marcus Fysh | 654 cc1658-1660 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I am quite sure that the Minister present was not in...

Lindsay Hoyle | 654 c1660 (Link to this contribution)

Order. If Members replicate the length of that speech, not everyone will get in, which seems a bi...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 cc1660-2 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I will take cognisance of the fact that I started at 2.7 pm and wil...

Ben Lake | 654 c1662 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point about how many other nations will look at the market ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 cc1662-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. There are 40 such agreements with about 70 countri...

Drew Hendry | 654 c1663 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a point about trade agreements having an impact on sheep farming in the ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 cc1663-5 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My hon. Friend is correct about that. This whole area needs to be fully assessed, as ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 654 c1665 (Link to this contribution)

You said you would be brief.

2.28 pm

Catherine West | 654 c1665 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it is to speak in this debate with so many other antipodeans: the hon. Members fo...

Catherine West | 654 cc1665-7 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly.

We are in the bizarre position of not having a proper agreement with our main trad...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1667 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to echo and strengthen the hon. Lady’s point. Bernie Sanders—I wish him the best of luck i...

Catherine West | 654 cc1667-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention and for his leadership of the Select Committee. I...

Matt Western | 654 c1668 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some important points. I am sure that she will agree that one of the gre...

Catherine West | 654 cc1668-9 (Link to this contribution)

I agree, particularly in relation to some of the really sensitive things such as human rights. We...

Matt Western | 654 cc1669-1670 (Link to this contribution)

It is very disappointing to see how few Members are present in the Chamber today—that applies to ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1670 (Link to this contribution)

On that idea of keeping Parliament in the dark, if the UK and the EU were to enter into a trade n...

Matt Western | 654 c1670 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his chairmanship of the International Trade Committee, which he do...

David Drew | 654 c1670 (Link to this contribution)

I am very much enjoying my hon. Friend’s speech. It is not just that we seem to be in the dark ab...

Matt Western | 654 cc1671-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point, which I was going to come to later in my speech. He is q...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1673 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has mentioned Japan. Does he think that the lack of concern that has been show...

Matt Western | 654 cc1673-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman, whose constituency name I always get wrong—the Outer Hebrides—for his...

David Drew | 654 c1674 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way again. Does he accept that one sector that is particularly ...

Matt Western | 654 cc1674-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his well-informed intervention—he clearly knows a huge amount more abo...

Chi Onwurah | 654 cc1675-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure and an honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Warwick and Leamington (Ma...

Paul Beresford | 654 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

New Zealand also produces other agricultural products such as wine and fruit—apples, pears and so...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, but let us be clear. He gives the example of wi...

Matt Western | 654 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend not only beautifully illustrates the north-east of England, but she is making very...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that excellent point. The competitiveness of the sector means that mar...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes the powerful case against no deal, which is why the Society of Motor Manufact...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that intervention and for giving me the opportunity to reiterate that, a...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

Which business organisations have said that they think this is a bad deal?

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister knows very well that the business organisations who have said that to me—I speak to ...

Matt Western | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

Very simply, the reality is that this is not just about no deal. Businesses, the manufacturing se...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that important point. Many organisations, such as the Manufacturing Tr...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but I do not wish to emulate others in making long speeches.

Andrew Griffiths | 654 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady mentioned businesses that are not prepared to go on the record. I quote:

“Thi...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman was in his place when I started speaking, but I acknowle...

Barry Gardiner | 654 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

It pains me to advise my hon. Friend of this, but in the last quarterly set of figures, that hono...

Chi Onwurah | 654 c1679 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I had not seen the last set of quarterly figures. I...

Matt Western | 654 c1679 (Link to this contribution)

To highlight the point my hon. Friend is making so well, has she heard and was she as appalled as...

Chi Onwurah | 654 cc1679-1680 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises a very unpleasant memory for me of when, as an engineering student at Imper...

Liz Twist | 654 c1680 (Link to this contribution)

Earlier this week, I did not expect to be here today. I was planning a day in my constituency, wo...

David Drew | 654 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

What the Government must do is very simple. They must accept one of the amendments to the Agricul...

Liz Twist | 654 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, and look forward to the Secretary of State’s comment...

Liam Fox | 654 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has asked for my reassurance. As I mentioned earlier, article 23.4 of the comprehen...

Liz Twist | 654 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for his comments, and for pointing me to that document. I am sure ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 654 cc1681-2 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the Front Benchers to sum up the debate, let me thank the hon. Member for Blaydon (...

Bill Esterson | 654 cc1682-3 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. It certainly has been a very thorough debate, and I ce...

Liam Fox | 654 c1683 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman’s logic that if we had less trade overall, less carbon would be omitted and...

Bill Esterson | 654 cc1683-4 (Link to this contribution)

What an absurd intervention—but we have come to expect nothing less from the Secretary of State. ...

David Drew | 654 c1684 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that we need primary legislation, not hour-and-a-half debates in Commit...

Bill Esterson | 654 cc1684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes much the same point that my hon. Friend the Member for Brent North and I mad...

Bill Esterson | 654 c1685 (Link to this contribution)

Was he? That is very kind of him.

In 2017, a number of Australian academics warned of the d...

Liam Fox | 654 c1685 (Link to this contribution)

I would have thought that the management of Honda are closer to this issue, and they say it is a ...

Bill Esterson | 654 c1685 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend the Member for Brent North was just saying to me, Honda’s management are far to...

Liam Fox | 654 c1685 (Link to this contribution)

That just will not wash. Why, then, is Honda leaving Turkey? Is that the result of Brexit as well...

Bill Esterson | 654 cc1685-6 (Link to this contribution)

The leave campaign pushed the point rather hard about Turkey’s accession to the EU.

My hon....

Matt Western | 654 c1686 (Link to this contribution)

I mentioned Margaret Thatcher earlier. If she were still around today, she would not settle for H...

Bill Esterson | 654 c1686 (Link to this contribution)

We have come to an interesting point, with Labour Members citing Margaret Thatcher and the fact t...

Bill Esterson | 654 c1686 (Link to this contribution)

Well, the Secretary of State has been saying that for years. The Chair of the International Trade...

Graham Stuart | 654 cc1686-7 (Link to this contribution)

I hear urgings from Opposition Members, not least the Chairman of the Select Committee, the hon. ...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1687 (Link to this contribution)

As I am talking about consultation and engagement, I shall give way to the hon. Lady.

Emma Little Pengelly | 654 c1687 (Link to this contribution)

One of the positive things about this debate has been the many voices from across the UK, the dev...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1687 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, the hon. Lady speaks powerfully on behalf of her constituency and, indeed, Northern Irel...

Stewart Hosie | 654 c1688 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Minister that it is better to take one’s time to analyse the responses to the co...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1688 (Link to this contribution)

First, I should say that parliamentarians will continue to be able to inform the negotiations. Pa...

Graham Stuart | 654 cc1688-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will not.

Both Houses will be fully involved as we balance meaningful scrutiny with the s...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1689 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the shadow Secretary of State.

Graham Stuart | 654 cc1689-1690 (Link to this contribution)

Excellent. That is delightful.

I have been speaking for eight minutes so far, and will seek...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 654 c1690 (Link to this contribution)

Other than spending consequentials in this centralised UK state, there are no fiscal transfers fr...

Graham Stuart | 654 c1690 (Link to this contribution)

We have seen investment spreading out from London and the south-east. If the Chair of the Select ...

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