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Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill: Committee Stage

Opposition day on Tuesday, 19 June 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Valerie Vaz. The answering member was Andrea Leadsom.
Fourteenth opposition day debate (part two). Closure motion. Agreed to on question. Main question negatived on division (284 to 299).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
643 cc252-302 
Session
2017-19
Procedure
Closure motions
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill 2017-19
Wednesday, 19 July 2017
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Valerie Vaz | 643 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That, notwithstanding the provisions of Standing Order No. 48 and the practi...

Mark Harper | 643 c252 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can give the hon. Lady a very good reason. She may be familiar with the e-mail that Mem...


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Valerie Vaz | 643 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his speech. I will address that point later in my own speech...

Peter Kyle | 643 c253 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously Ministers are drawn from Parliament. Does my hon. Friend agree that if the number of MP...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c253 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for making that point. I will be drawing on it. Let me add, however, that ...

Gareth Johnson | 643 c253 (Link to this contribution)

Why is there this sudden interest in money resolutions from the Labour party? I cannot find a sin...

Valerie Vaz | 643 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is an assiduous lawyer so he will know we are talking about the present. We ar...

Khalid Mahmood | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have wilfully plucked a figure out of the air, have manipulated the electoral regi...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman cannot interrupt himself when making an intervention while referring to...

Khalid Mahmood | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker; I have gained further knowledge.

My hon. Friend’s Bill tri...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention and he is right. This is about democracy, about using...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady not agree that the Boundary Commission is an independent body that is complete...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

No one is talking about political interference. We are talking about the initial instructions tha...

Karen Buck | 643 c254 (Link to this contribution)

While we are still on the issue of the size of constituencies, does my hon. Friend recognise that...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c255 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We deal with cases that go beyond those on the electoral regi...

Siobhain McDonagh | 643 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend also agree that there are variations in the propensity of certain groups in t...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c255 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend.

Emma Hardy | 643 c255 (Link to this contribution)

Further to those last two points, would my hon. Friend acknowledge that the amount of constituenc...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c255 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. All hon. Members know that we deal with such issues and cases, and that we ca...

Vicky Ford | 643 c255 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the hon. Lady is complaining that reducing the number of Members of Parliament wil...

Valerie Vaz | 643 cc255-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am not saying that this is just about an increase in workload. I am saying that the Boundary Co...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 643 c256 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening with interest to what the hon. Lady is saying. Will she clarify something for me? ...

Valerie Vaz | 643 c256 (Link to this contribution)

Under the Bill, the number would be fixed at 18. The seats would be allocated on the basis of the...

Robert Goodwill | 643 c256 (Link to this contribution)

I was elected on a manifesto that called for a reduction in the number of MPs to 600. How can I l...

Valerie Vaz | 643 cc256-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I will write to him and place in the Libra...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 c257 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the chance to respond, yet again, on the subject of the Parliamentary Constituencies (A...

Khalid Mahmood | 643 c257 (Link to this contribution)

To follow the Leader of the House’s reasoning about what this Bill will cost the public purse, wh...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 c257 (Link to this contribution)

I will repeat it if the hon. Gentleman did not hear it, but I just carefully explained that the G...

David Linden | 643 c257 (Link to this contribution)

The Leader of the House seems to be saying that one of the reasons why the Government will not ta...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 c258 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to procedure, but the hon. Gentleman simply is not right. The Government are not k...

Mark Harper | 643 c258 (Link to this contribution)

On procedure, there is a wider point than just the money. The boundary commissions, as part of th...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 c258 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is exactly right. That is the whole point. The Government are saying we will...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 643 c258 (Link to this contribution)

There have been references to the boundary commission review as though there is just one review, ...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 c259 (Link to this contribution)

That is to be confirmed, but the right hon. Gentleman is correct that the boundary commissions of...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 643 c259 (Link to this contribution)

The Leader of the House is trying to blow this issue out of proportion slightly by making it soun...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman walked in late and did not hear the start of the debate. If he read his own mo...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c260 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that this is about a fundamental principle upon which our general...

Andrea Leadsom | 643 cc260-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is exactly right on that. This Government are responsible for initiating financial...

Pete Wishart | 643 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Here we go again. Yet another debate on the Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill and yet...

Afzal Khan | 643 c262 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that providing a money resolution does not spend the money? All it ...

Pete Wishart | 643 c262 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My hon. Friend the Member for Glasgow East (David Linden) made that point to the Lead...

Jim Cunningham | 643 c262 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. The Leader of the House said that the Opposition were give...

Pete Wishart | 643 c262 (Link to this contribution)

That is a salutary lesson from the hon. Gentleman. He knows and respects his history, and knows e...

Desmond Swayne | 643 c262 (Link to this contribution)

This is not an area where I have expertise, but my understanding was that the money resolution en...

Pete Wishart | 643 cc262-3 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is right that he is not an expert on this particular issue; he has just ...

Mark Harper | 643 c263 (Link to this contribution)

I think I can help the hon. Gentleman a little by explaining why there have been several such exa...

Pete Wishart | 643 c263 (Link to this contribution)

I have a reasonably neat solution in response to the right hon. Gentleman. If the Government do n...

Siobhain McDonagh | 643 c263 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the right hon. Member for Forest of Dean (Mr Harper) is undere...

Pete Wishart | 643 c263 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right to remind us of some of the really important private Members’ B...

Michael Tomlinson | 643 c264 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman accused the Government of having an aversion to private Members’ Bills, but he...

Pete Wishart | 643 c264 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that I ever made the charge that this Government have an aversion to private Membe...

David Linden | 643 c264 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. One of the reasons that the Government, under the current reg...

Pete Wishart | 643 c264 (Link to this contribution)

That is right. I am trying to be helpful to the House, as always. You know me, Madam Deputy Speak...

Pete Wishart | 643 c265 (Link to this contribution)

She is not nodding her head; she thinks that it is working satisfactorily. Okay, I may be on my o...

John Lamont | 643 c265 (Link to this contribution)

What my constituents and most people in Scotland, I think, got frustrated with and annoyed by was...

Pete Wishart | 643 cc265-6 (Link to this contribution)

First of all, I am not a right hon. Member. For some reason, Scottish National party Members are ...

Nick Smith | 643 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to move the hon. Gentleman off one of his favourite topics, but does he agree that the...

Pete Wishart | 643 c266 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I know that a lot of people want to speak, Madam Deputy Spea...

Pete Wishart | 643 cc266-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way. I have given way to the right hon. Gentleman before, and I know that Madam D...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 643 c267 (Link to this contribution)

Order. This is a well-subscribed debate. If colleagues stick to a maximum of nine minutes, we sho...

Mark Harper | 643 cc267-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker. I will be mindful of your injunction and try hard to stick t...

David Drew | 643 c268 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my near neighbour for giving way. If his constituency was emasculated, as mine was, a dif...

Mark Harper | 643 c268 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a good point, but the point about the Boundary Commission review is that...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 643 c268 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the point that a previous Parliament, which does not bind this Parliament, passed a set of...

Mark Harper | 643 c269 (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully to the hon. Gentleman, but he is not right. The previous Parliament passed a...

Mark Harper | 643 c269 (Link to this contribution)

If my right hon. Friend will forgive me, I will make a little process because I am mindful of Mad...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 643 c269 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Mark Harper | 643 cc269-270 (Link to this contribution)

I took a lengthy intervention from the hon. Gentleman, so I will make a little progress.

Th...

Ivan Lewis | 643 c270 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that the new legislation to which he referred made it far mo...

Mark Harper | 643 cc270-1 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree with that at all. I would argue that the individual electoral registration system ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 643 c271 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Just before I call the next speaker, let me be clear. When I said everybody could take nin...

Afzal Khan | 643 c271 (Link to this contribution)

We can all agree that boundary changes are needed. Our current boundaries are based on an elector...

Jonathan Lord | 643 c271 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on his Bill. I think it does have some good points. First, on v...

Afzal Khan | 643 c272 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure how relevant that is to this discussion, but I am a new Member and I do not know th...

Bambos Charalambous | 643 c272 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point about the difficulty of getting private Members’ Bills th...

Afzal Khan | 643 cc272-3 (Link to this contribution)

I would be quite happy if the House decided to have more Friday sittings.

I never expected ...

Steve Double | 643 c273 (Link to this contribution)

I find myself in an unusual position today, because it is a matter of record that I very much sup...

Bob Stewart | 643 c273 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend’s arguments, but I also think my right hon. Friend the Member for Glo...

Steve Double | 643 c273 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who has jumped straight to the conclusion of my speech. I will c...

Nick Smith | 643 c273 (Link to this contribution)

I want to take up the point made by the right hon. Member for Gloucester West when he said the th...

Steve Double | 643 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that point.

In Cornwall, the proposed new boundaries will result in a cross-bo...

Mark Harper | 643 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to make a public service announcement, Madam Deputy Speaker. In case other hon. Members wi...

Steve Double | 643 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for that intervention.

Emma Hardy | 643 c274 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has my full sympathy when he talks about constituencies crossing boundaries. I...

Steve Double | 643 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I would not dare to comment on the sensitivities of Hull, but the hon. Lady has made her point ve...

Simon Hart | 643 c275 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my hon. Friend will agree that his point about Cornwall is shared in Wales, where the...

Steve Double | 643 c275 (Link to this contribution)

The boundary proposals throw up many anomalies in various parts of the country, which, in my view...

Stephen Kinnock | 643 c275 (Link to this contribution)

Before addressing the specifics of the motion, let me make a general point. I have no problem at ...

Susan Elan Jones | 643 c275 (Link to this contribution)

Has my hon. Friend observed that there has been absolutely no word from the Government that they ...

Stephen Kinnock | 643 cc275-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is clearly psychic, because that is precisely the point that I was about to make. ...

Emma Hardy | 643 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I made a point earlier about Hull East and Hull West. There is also a proud fishing tradition amo...

Stephen Kinnock | 643 c276 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. Some absurd things are being thrown up by this review. Fo...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c276 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right to identify these critical issues that affect communities all over th...

Stephen Kinnock | 643 c276 (Link to this contribution)

The fundamental problem with the logic of the hon. Lady’s argument is that this is about the term...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 643 c276 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend also agree with the Political and Constitutional Reform Committee in the prev...

Stephen Kinnock | 643 c277 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. It provides that stability and continuity and also, given the 7.5% q...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c277 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Aberavon (Stephen Kinnock), although I will be tak...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c277 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard that a few times. Of course, I was not here at that time, but in my opinion, the ar...

Desmond Swayne | 643 c277 (Link to this contribution)

I’ll have a go! The issue before us is that private Members’ Bills are determined by a queue whic...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c278 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I think “Follow that if you dare” is an apposite comment. I thank my right hon. Friend for ...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 643 c278 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady says that she does not understand the flaws of the previous Bill. The only way to c...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 643 c278 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Interventions need to be brief. There are plenty of people waiting to speak, and it is not...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c278 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. It is not that ...

Steve Double | 643 c278 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to my hon. Friend, and she is making some very good points. On that last...

Rachel Maclean | 643 cc278-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I would not dare to comment on the sensitivities of ...

David Drew | 643 cc279-280 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Member for Redditch (Rachel Maclean) says, but I do not agree with her. Howe...

David Drew | 643 c280 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, who may help me.

Steve Double | 643 c280 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the hon. Gentleman’s comments. I used to feel very much like him, but does he agree ...

David Drew | 643 c280 (Link to this contribution)

That might well be true but, to be fair, the boundary commissions must to some extent try to pre-...

Michael Tomlinson | 643 cc280-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to take part in the debate and to follow the hon. Member for Stroud (Dr Dr...

Mark Harper | 643 c282 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s point about objections relates to my point about the proper consideration of the...

Michael Tomlinson | 643 c282 (Link to this contribution)

As so often, I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. What he says is right, and it links to my ini...

David Linden | 643 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for Mid Dorset and North Poole (Michael Tomlinson), who...

Michael Tomlinson | 643 c283 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman accept that the Government are not trying to kill the Bill? As the Leader...

David Linden | 643 c284 (Link to this contribution)

No, the Government have essentially treated the Bill like the bins: they have put it outside and ...

David Evennett | 643 c284 (Link to this contribution)

I serve on the Procedure Committee with the hon. Gentleman and am always interested in what he ha...

David Linden | 643 c284 (Link to this contribution)

I fundamentally object to the number of MPs being cut from 650 to 600. My view is that we could c...

Michael Tomlinson | 643 c284 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman could always do what I did and queue up for the chance to introduce a presenta...

David Linden | 643 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right, but the presentation Bill that he queued to introduce under

Mark Harper | 643 c285 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I enjoy our sparring on Wednesday mornings, and I look forward to doing so...

David Linden | 643 cc285-6 (Link to this contribution)

We all remember the photographs of the former Government Chief Whip, the Prime Minister and the l...

Jamie Stone | 643 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am not one of the awkward squad, I trust, in the Chamber today. I hope that I am a paragon of r...

Siobhain McDonagh | 643 cc287-8 (Link to this contribution)

It has been the honour of my life to represent the constituency in which I was born for the last ...

Christian Matheson | 643 cc288-9 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard today from G. K. Chesterton and P. G. Wodehouse, which is of course a pleasure. Nev...

Michael Tomlinson | 643 c289 (Link to this contribution)

I think it is in fact better than the hon. Gentleman stated, because those were the votes on the ...

Christian Matheson | 643 cc289-290 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for correcting me, and he is absolutely right.

Thi...

Robert Goodwill | 643 c290 (Link to this contribution)

People not being on the electoral register is not just an urban issue. In constituencies such as ...

Christian Matheson | 643 cc290-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for that intervention. Of course, someone who has a sec...

Alex Sobel | 643 c291 (Link to this contribution)

There is no better example of that than my constituency and the number of people I represent. Thi...

Christian Matheson | 643 c291 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend gives an example of communities that are not reflected in parliamentary constituen...

Mark Harper | 643 c291 (Link to this contribution)

It is absolutely right that a significant number of entries were removed from the register, but t...

Christian Matheson | 643 cc291-2 (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt that electoral registers have to be cleaned up, but I cannot believe that there w...

Rachel Maclean | 643 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I feel that I need to put it on the record that I completely refute any assertion that I, as a Me...

Christian Matheson | 643 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I consider that point to have been put on the record.

London lost almost 100,000 voters, de...

Chloe Smith | 643 cc292-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to close this Opposition day debate. I welcome the contributions from hon. and r...

Afzal Khan | 643 c294 (Link to this contribution)

What is the Conservative party’s position in relation to the upper House? Why are you stuffing it...

John Bercow | 643 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I have not been stuffing the upper House for anybody. I am not doing that. The Government can ans...

Chloe Smith | 643 c294 (Link to this contribution)

And nor are the Government. The key point, as I have just said, is that the other place is now sm...

Chloe Smith | 643 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I am just in the middle of setting out the Government’s policy, which I have been asked to do.

David Linden | 643 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. She talks about reform of the House of Lords and cu...

Chloe Smith | 643 cc294-5 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will remember from our debate only yesterday that the number of the most recen...

Chloe Smith | 643 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I stand corrected, and I thank the hon. Gentleman. Let me move on to the ways in which this debat...

Jamie Stone | 643 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her gracious reference to me a few minutes ago. I point out in passing t...

Chloe Smith | 643 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I stand corrected twice in a row on hon. Members’ constituency names—perhaps I need the help of t...

Mark Harper | 643 c295 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very sensible point about the geographical size of constituencies. Tha...

Chloe Smith | 643 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I very much welcome that reminder from my right hon. Friend.

Turning to the motion, the deb...

Robert Goodwill | 643 c296 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister drew our attention to the situation over the border. Do the Scottish Government dele...

Chloe Smith | 643 cc296-7 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the opportunity to add to this discussion, but the question of whether we can learn fro...

Afzal Khan | 643 c297 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her kind words. For me, this is not the fault of the Labour party. Every...

Chloe Smith | 643 c297 (Link to this contribution)

If that is the issue, the hon. Gentleman should have had a word with his Front-Bench team about l...

Nicholas Brown | 643 c297 (Link to this contribution)

claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).

Question put forthwith, That the Quest...

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