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Report of the Iraq Inquiry

Debate on Thursday, 14 July 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Michael Fallon and Tobias Ellwood. The answering member was Clive Lewis.
Debate resumed (Order, 13 July). Question again proposed, That this House has considered the Report of the Iraq Inquiry. Agreed to on question. Part 2 of 2.
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613 cc441-518 
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2016-17
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Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 613 c442 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the first speaker—from the Back Benches, as this is a continuation of the debate th...

Julian Lewis | 613 cc442-3 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much for calling me, Mr Speaker. I shall endeavour to follow your injunction to be...


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Alistair Carmichael | 613 c443 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the right hon. Gentleman’s useful approach in going back to the primary sources. Does n...

Julian Lewis | 613 cc443-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is very tricky, because there are two scenarios where we can go to war. One is quite straigh...

Ben Bradshaw | 613 c444 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that, in 2003, the House voted not just, or even mainly, on t...

Julian Lewis | 613 c444 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with a great deal of what the right hon. Gentleman has just said. Although it is not a ma...

John Baron | 613 c444 (Link to this contribution)

I have great respect for my right hon. Friend, as he will know. However, I suggest that, on this ...

Julian Lewis | 613 cc444-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but the problem that the inspectors and we would always have faced was summed up by somethin...

George Kerevan | 613 c445 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Julian Lewis | 613 c445 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but I am taking a lot of interventions, and I am keen not to abuse the fact that I do not ha...

George Kerevan | 613 c445 (Link to this contribution)

Given the right hon. Gentleman’s wisdom and expertise, he is a focal point in this discussion. Do...

Julian Lewis | 613 c445 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the second question is easy. What happened during those 13 years was the appearance...

Tobias Ellwood | 613 c445 (Link to this contribution)

Given the role that my right hon. Friend plays as Chairman of the Defence Committee, I wonder whe...

Julian Lewis | 613 c446 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree that al-Qaeda was not present in Iraq at the time, but that is not the point that I wa...

Alex Salmond | 613 c447 (Link to this contribution)

I have great respect for the Chairman of the Defence Committee—in fact, I believe I voted for him...

Julian Lewis | 613 c447 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that I was absolutely right not to vote to remove Assad in 2013 and absolutely wrong ...

Julian Lewis | 613 c447 (Link to this contribution)

I shall make a little more progress first.

My last point leads me to a second question. I h...

Philip Davies | 613 c447 (Link to this contribution)

I am nervous about opening up a new front for my right hon. Friend, but some of the deaths in Ira...

Julian Lewis | 613 cc447-8 (Link to this contribution)

Never, ever, again is a strong statement, and when a conflict arises, especially when it is the r...

John Bercow | 613 cc448-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the right hon. Member for New Forest East (Dr Lewis), who very helpful...

Pat McFadden | 613 cc449-450 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to be a substitute for my right hon. Friend the Member for Exeter (Mr Bradshaw), Mr Sp...

Alistair Carmichael | 613 c450 (Link to this contribution)

The question for the House is whether there is the weight of evidence to justify action, not if w...

Pat McFadden | 613 cc450-1 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the right hon. Gentleman’s intervention. My point is that the finding about undermin...

Ben Bradshaw | 613 c451 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend made a strong critique of one of Sir John’s findings about the undermining o...

Pat McFadden | 613 cc451-2 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my right hon. Friend. At some point, there is always the issue of deciding. Every de...

John Baron | 613 cc452-3 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that Iraq 2003 ranks with Suez in a catalogue of British foreign policy disasters. It c...

Clive Efford | 613 c453 (Link to this contribution)

I was here in 2003, and I was one of those who rebelled against the leader of my party and voted ...

John Baron | 613 cc453-4 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that we are saying different things. I am not suggesting that there was intentiona...

Hannah Bardell | 613 c454 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman and you, Mr Speaker, will indulge me for a second. My speaking tim...

John Baron | 613 cc454-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for what she has said. I am sure that it will be taken on board by all conc...

Jim Shannon | 613 cc456-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate, and to follow the previous speakers, who have a great w...

Johnny Mercer | 613 cc458-461 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this opportunity to speak in the debate. The Chilcot report, published...

Madeleine Moon | 613 c461 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way and for his powerful speech. One thing that has always ...

Johnny Mercer | 613 c462 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. We have come an extraordinarily long way....

Pete Wishart | 613 cc462-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is an absolute pleasure to follow the hon. and gallant Member for Plymouth, Moor View (Johnny ...

Graham Allen | 613 c463 (Link to this contribution)

On a brief point of information, I should say that historically this was British political histor...

Pete Wishart | 613 cc463-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for reminding us of that, and he is right. This is why it is ...

Clive Efford | 613 c464 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman just said that this decision led to the public losing faith in this House, but...

Pete Wishart | 613 c464 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that, as it brings me on to my next point, which is that ...

Pete Wishart | 613 cc464-5 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, like me, will therefore have been recalled to Parliament in September 2002. W...

Phillip Lee | 613 cc465-7 (Link to this contribution)

Many important lessons will emerge over the coming months and years, and of course deep sympathy ...

James Cleverly | 613 c467 (Link to this contribution)

One of the lessons that I took from the Chilcot report was about a habit that we who have been to...

Phillip Lee | 613 c467 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. Yes, over the past 10 to 15 years, we have seen too ...

Ann Clwyd | 613 cc467-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have had a very long involvement with Iraq. For Members who were not here in the 1980s, the 199...

John Nicolson | 613 c468 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is trying to persuade us that Saddam Hussein was a vile dictator. We all acce...

Ann Clwyd | 613 cc469-471 (Link to this contribution)

When I come to the relevant section in my speech, the hon. Gentleman will get his answer.

W...

Bob Stewart | 613 c471 (Link to this contribution)

I have the utmost respect for the right hon. Lady for all the work she has done over the years to...

Ann Clwyd | 613 cc471-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very interesting question. I can only speculate, as I am sure that the hon. Gentleman h...

John Bercow | 613 c472 (Link to this contribution)

Order. To try to accommodate all remaining colleagues, there will now be a 10-minute limit on Bac...

David Amess | 613 cc472-4 (Link to this contribution)

So we now have the Chilcot report. Seven long years we have waited for this report of 2.6 million...

Ian Lucas | 613 c474 (Link to this contribution)

I listened with great interest to the speech of the hon. Member for Southend West (Sir David Ames...

John Nicolson | 613 c474 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that it was risible to try to associate the secular Saddam Hussein...

Ian Lucas | 613 cc474-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. It would have been very convenient for those who wanted to take militar...

Clive Efford | 613 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether my hon. Friend’s recollection is the same as mine. My recollection is that, prio...

Ian Lucas | 613 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I would not go quite that far, because I am more kindly than my hon. Friend. My recollection is t...

David Amess | 613 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman is being slightly disingenuous in this. There were only 165 Conservati...

John Bercow | 613 c476 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Members should not use the word “disingenuous”. The hon. Member for Southend West thinks t...

Ian Lucas | 613 c476 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I took no offence and understand the hon. Gentleman’s point. It is difficu...

Graham Allen | 613 cc476-7 (Link to this contribution)

The decision to commit to the US neo-con agenda of an invasion of Iraq was, and remains, the bigg...

Alistair Carmichael | 613 c477 (Link to this contribution)

I recall the hon. Gentleman’s role in formulating a cross-party amendment that was put to the Hou...

Graham Allen | 613 cc477-9 (Link to this contribution)

I have some things to say about the then Speaker—I will get on to that fairly quickly—but first I...

John Nicolson | 613 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Nottingham North (Mr Allen) and hear the his...

Bob Stewart | 613 c480 (Link to this contribution)

I seem to recall that the hon. Gentleman and I were together in the television studios at the tim...

John Nicolson | 613 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman remembers well. We did indeed sit together in television studios, because we j...

Kirsten Oswald | 613 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concerns about recent mission creep and the use of intelligence-led ...

John Nicolson | 613 cc482-3 (Link to this contribution)

Many Members keep saying that we have learned the lessons of war, but I am not convinced, and nei...

Tom Brake | 613 cc483-4 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the fact that the Government have allocated two days for this debate. This is an opport...

Hywel Williams | 613 cc484-5 (Link to this contribution)

I was a Member of this House when the decision to invade Iraq was taken. Plaid Cymru was against ...

Graham Allen | 613 c485 (Link to this contribution)

I compliment the hon. Gentleman on his part in the Iraq rebellions. If I may put the record strai...

Hywel Williams | 613 c486 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very telling point. It was a conscious choice to join our senior ally ...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 613 cc486-7 (Link to this contribution)

I begin with a declaration of interest: my brother served on the frontline in the Iraq war, so th...

Bob Stewart | 613 c487 (Link to this contribution)

For me, that phrase really blows apart my belief that Prime Ministers, regardless of political pe...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 613 cc487-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the intervention from the hon. and gallant Member, whose opinion I often taken ...

Madeleine Moon | 613 cc488-9 (Link to this contribution)

A number of people have said today that the 2003 decision casts a long shadow, and indeed it does...

Bob Stewart | 613 c489 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady knows that I have deep respect for her, which will continue. I seem to recall, howe...

Madeleine Moon | 613 cc489-490 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that most helpful intervention, because it takes us back to the ex...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 613 c490 (Link to this contribution)

I may disagree with certain elements of the hon. Lady’s speech, but does she agree that one of th...

Madeleine Moon | 613 cc490-1 (Link to this contribution)

I look at the Russians in Syria. I look at what the Russians did in Afghanistan. Do I want to sta...

Alistair Carmichael | 613 cc491-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs Moon). I commend her for her thought...

Julian Lewis | 613 c492 (Link to this contribution)

I was not planning to intervene as I have made my speech, but—this is one of the knock-on effects...

Alistair Carmichael | 613 cc492-3 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I do not want to get taken down a side alley and into the question of Syria, compel...

Mark Durkan | 613 cc493-4 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr Carmichael) is exactly right. The issue of whet...

Alistair Carmichael | 613 c494 (Link to this contribution)

A very different approach was taken at the time by Canada. Jean Chrétien, the then Prime Minister...

Mark Durkan | 613 cc495-6 (Link to this contribution)

No, absolutely not.

To say that I might accept that there was an ingrained belief, genuinel...

Nia Griffith | 613 cc496-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to take part in this debate on the Chilcot report and to have listened to colle...

John Bercow | 613 c497 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are still quite a few conversations going on in the Chamber. The Secretary of State ...

Nia Griffith | 613 cc497-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

I am concerned that the UK is not supportive of the UN Secretary-Ge...

George Kerevan | 613 cc498-9 (Link to this contribution)

I sat through the whole debate yesterday and today, and it has been a fascinating education. I ha...

Liz McInnes | 613 cc499-501 (Link to this contribution)

During these two days of debate, we have heard from Members in all parts of the House who have co...

Kirsten Oswald | 613 cc501-4 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the opportunity to participate in this debate on an issue that should have been address...

Danny Kinahan | 613 cc504-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the hon. Member for East Renfrewshire (Kirsten Oswald). I do not necess...

Roger Mullin | 613 c505 (Link to this contribution)

It has been a great pleasure—privilege might be a better word—to sit through the entirety of the ...

Lisa Cameron | 613 c505 (Link to this contribution)

I speak as the wife of a former member of our armed forces personnel. Does my hon. Friend agree t...

Roger Mullin | 613 cc505-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend very much for that intervention. I am sure we all wish to pay tribute to t...

Julian Lewis | 613 c507 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a most interesting speech. Before he leaves his list of failures, ma...

Roger Mullin | 613 c507 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a wonderfully telling point. I like his use of one word in particu...

Graham Allen | 613 c507 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Would it be in order to put on the record Members’ thanks for th...

John Bercow | 613 c507 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his point of order, which obviously was unsolic...

Clive Lewis | 613 cc507-511 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Nottingham North (Mr Allen) took the words right out of my mouth wi...

Michael Fallon | 613 cc511-2 (Link to this contribution)

This has indeed been a considered and moving debate, as befits such a serious subject. I believe ...

Julian Lewis | 613 c512 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has just listed the membership of the National Security Council. While it ...

Michael Fallon | 613 c512 (Link to this contribution)

I heard my right hon. Friend’s speech earlier today, in which he made that point at some length. ...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 613 cc512-3 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is, I am delighted to say, serving in his current role under his second Prim...

Michael Fallon | 613 c513 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend, particularly for his kind words. I am now serv...

Julian Lewis | 613 c513 (Link to this contribution)

I see a slight contradiction in the Secretary of State saying that it would over-complicate the m...

Michael Fallon | 613 c513 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said, the heads of the armed forces are represented on the National Security Council by...

Clive Lewis | 613 c513 (Link to this contribution)

Would the Secretary of State acknowledge that Baroness Neville-Jones, one of the architects of th...

Michael Fallon | 613 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I read the Baroness’s speech, and I advise all Members to have a look at the debate on this matte...

Andrew Mitchell | 613 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the Secretary of State has laid to rest the canard that the NSC operates without exp...

Michael Fallon | 613 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I can confirm that that is exactly the position. There is no shortage of briefing for members of ...

Tom Brake | 613 c514 (Link to this contribution)

On that point about cross-departmental arrangements working more effectively, does the Secretary ...

Michael Fallon | 613 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I shall talk about the lesson on the importance of planning for reconstruction in a moment. I jus...

John Baron | 613 c514 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to what my right hon. Friend is saying, but this is not just an issue of...

Michael Fallon | 613 c515 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I do. Defence intelligence and the gathering of information on the ground have improved and ...

Ian Lucas | 613 c515 (Link to this contribution)

This is an important area, but the right hon. Gentleman has focused almost exclusively on the Exe...

Michael Fallon | 613 c515 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that. I was here at the time and voted in that particular Division. It is important that...

Alex Salmond | 613 c515 (Link to this contribution)

Speaking as a Back Bencher, the right hon. Gentleman’s new colleague the Brexit Secretary, the ri...

Michael Fallon | 613 cc515-6 (Link to this contribution)

Members and Ministers should speak the truth in this particular House, but whether the Prime Mini...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 613 c516 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that the Secretary of State has come to this point about members of the armed forces an...

Michael Fallon | 613 cc516-7 (Link to this contribution)

We have taken a lot of measures to involve the reserves more closely with the regulars now. After...

Pete Wishart | 613 c517 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is right that we must take account of all those things, but surely the pub...

Michael Fallon | 613 cc517-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Chilcot report itself holds to account those who were involved and took the key decisions, an...

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