Lords message considered. Commons insistence on its disagreement with Lords amendment 74 and proposal of amendment (a) in lieu. Discussed with motion to disagree with Lords amendment 102B, and amendments (a) to (k) in lieu, and motion to insist on disagreement with Lords amendment 103 to 106, and amendments (a) and (b) in lieu. Agreed to on question. Motion that this House insists on its disagreement with Lords amendment 102B and agrees with amendments (a) to (k) in lieu. Agreed to on division (300 to 232). Motion that this House insists on its disagreement with Lords amendment 103 to 106, and proposes its amendments (a) and (b) in lieu. Agreed to on division (301 to 227).
Criminal Justice and Courts Bill
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 13 January 2015,
in the House of Commons,
led by Lord Grayling.
The answering
member was Andy Slaughter.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
590 cc807-824
Session
2014-15
Legislative stage
Lords amendments
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Criminal Justice and Courts Bill 2013-14 to 2014-15. Lords insistence and reasons, Lords non-insistence and amendment in lieu of those amendments.
Wednesday, 10 December 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Wednesday, 10 December 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Grayling | 590 c808 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,
That this House insists on its disagreement with Lords amendment 74 and prop...
Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 590 c808 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to consider: Government motion to disagree with Lords amendment 1...
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Lord Grayling | 590 cc808-810 (Link to this contribution)
We need to focus on two areas of the Government’s programme of reform: secure colleges and judici...
Julian Huppert | 590 c810 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State talks about the outcome for the applicant, but it has been put to me by a ...
Lord Grayling | 590 cc810-1 (Link to this contribution)
I hope I can reassure the hon. Gentleman by saying that the legal advice I have received is that ...
Valerie Vaz | 590 c811 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give an example of the kind of mischief that he is trying to stop?
Lord Grayling | 590 c811 (Link to this contribution)
I have set out a number of examples. On Second Reading I referred to cases where essential infras...
Geoffrey Cox | 590 c811 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for listening most carefully to some of the matters that we...
Lord Grayling | 590 c811 (Link to this contribution)
My judgment was that a conventional level of judgment against public interest was not sufficient ...
David Davis | 590 c811 (Link to this contribution)
I speak from memory, so forgive me if I do not have this exactly right. My understanding was that...
Lord Grayling | 590 c812 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely the case, but on more than one occasion in my ministerial time, and the same a...
Karl Turner | 590 c812 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Lord Chancellor give us an example of one of those minor cases to which he refers?
Lord Grayling | 590 c812 (Link to this contribution)
I have experienced at least two examples of third-party groups seeking to argue that a form of co...
Andy Slaughter | 590 cc812-6 (Link to this contribution)
On 1 December last, in our previous session of ping-pong on this troubled Bill, I started my comm...
Geoffrey Cox | 590 cc816-8 (Link to this contribution)
I will, I hope, be very brief. As the Secretary of State knows, it was in response to me that he ...
Lord Grayling | 590 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the House, I shall say some brief words in response to the two contributions.
Mark Reckless | 590 c819 (Link to this contribution)
The judge can assess rationality and reasonableness, but my particular concern is about legality....
Lord Grayling | 590 c819 (Link to this contribution)
The whole purpose of the reforms is to protect public bodies against cases brought on a technical...
Geoffrey Cox | 590 c819 (Link to this contribution)
I would be most grateful if my right hon. Friend addressed the point I raised. What is the differ...
Lord Grayling | 590 c819 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. and learned Friend mentions the common law approach. When it was introduced in 1974, judi...
Lord Garnier | 590 c820 (Link to this contribution)
I have some sympathy with what my right hon. Friend is trying to do, because I witnessed at first...
Lord Grayling | 590 c820 (Link to this contribution)
We thought carefully about how best to address that issue, and the original clause was straightfo...
Lord Garnier | 590 c820 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with what my right hon. Friend is attempting to do, but I suspect he is trying to pot the...
John Bercow | 590 c820 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I say to the hon. and learned Gentleman with great respect that the intellectualism and er...
Lord Garnier | 590 c821 (Link to this contribution)
What a most unusual admonition. I think the Lord Chancellor understands my point, and I hope I am...
Lord Grayling | 590 c821 (Link to this contribution)
Let me give an example of one consultation response that we received when we put forward our thou...
Geoffrey Cox | 590 c821 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Secretary of State mean what he said a few minutes ago, which is that cases of really eg...
Lord Grayling | 590 c821 (Link to this contribution)
We will probably beg to differ on that, but my hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right. One o...
Mark Reckless | 590 c822 (Link to this contribution)
On transparency, I think I am inclined to support the Justice Secretary, but if there is a shell ...
Lord Grayling | 590 c822 (Link to this contribution)
That may indeed be an option in the courts. I go back to the Richard III case which, the hon. Gen...
Dominic Grieve | 590 c822 (Link to this contribution)
The process of ping-pong has narrowed the issues. I am grateful to my right hon. Friend that on t...
Lord Grayling | 590 cc822-3 (Link to this contribution)
The key issue is that it is very easy to define a public interest around public authorities fulfi...
Lord Garnier | 590 c823 (Link to this contribution)
One of my problems is that the Secretary of State is trying to prove the general from the particu...
Lord Grayling | 590 cc823-4 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept that I am banging my head against the wall. I think we have struck a sensible bal...
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