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Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Tuesday, 16 December 2014, in the House of Commons, led by James Brokenshire.
Committee stage third day. Clauses 21 to 23 agreed to. Amendment to clause 24 negatived on division (216 votes to 299). Clause 24 agreed to. Clauses 25 to 33 agreed to. Schedules 3 and 4 agreed to. New clause 12 (Review of international best practice around radicalisation), negatived on division (217 votes to 296). Clauses 34 and 35 agreed to. Schedule 5 agreed to. Clauses 36 to 41 agreed to, discussed with new clause 3 (Intercept evidence - use in legal proceedings), and new clause 7 (Review of Intelligence and Security Committee of Parliament resources and powers). Clause 42 agreed to as amended. Clause 43 agreed to. Bill, as amended, reported (Bill 142).
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Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
589 cc1305-1372 
Session
2014-15
Department
Home Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Counter-terrorism and human rights.
Wednesday, 26 November 2014
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House of Lords
House of Commons
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15
Wednesday, 26 November 2014
Bills
House of Commons
Legislative scrutiny: Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill.
Wednesday, 3 December 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill.
Wednesday, 3 December 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons

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Deposited Paper DEP2015-0018
Monday, 5 January 2015
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Proceeding contributions
Hazel Blears | 589 c1305 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 30, page 13, line 34, at end insert

“and must also develop capacity...

Mike Weir | 589 cc1305-6 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Clause 21 stand part.

That ...


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Hazel Blears | 589 cc1306-7 (Link to this contribution)

Before embarking on my remarks on the amendments, I want to say a few words about the appalling e...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady join me in saying how disappointed she is that part 5, which is a critic...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1307-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has deep, if not unique, experience of the practicalities of these issues in her co...

Keith Vaz | 589 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for all the amazingly important work she does on this issue. She is ...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes an important point. He is correct to say that much of this work needs ...

Mike Hancock | 589 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with the right hon. Lady that we have to start the process as early as possible,...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an important point. The work is difficult and complex. It is not easy. D...

Bob Stewart | 589 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady is a good friend of mine and one thing that has not been mentioned so far is ...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1309-1310 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, whom I count as a friend in the House, makes an extremely important and valid...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

I am sincerely grateful to the right hon. Lady for allowing me to intervene on her once more. Chu...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes another point illustrating the depth of her personal experience of the issues...

David Ward | 589 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Lady aware of the distrust and suspicion in some communities of what might happ...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1310-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am very much aware of the difficulties faced by people in such circumstances. It can be a dilem...

Mike Hancock | 589 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with the right hon. Lady about the role of women in the community. I have talked...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1311-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right. He will see that in schedule 3 to the Bill there is a list of educat...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1313 (Link to this contribution)

I will not pre-empt my speech by seeking to respond to all the points made so far, but I thank th...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1313-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for putting that on the record in such trenchant terms and I still ...

Julian Lewis | 589 cc1314-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the thrust of the argument made by the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles...

Pete Wishart | 589 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way; he is always very generous in these debates. ...

Julian Lewis | 589 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree. When one is dealing with an intolerant ideology, one cannot simply say that one will,...

Julian Lewis | 589 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

I had not quite finished, but of course I will.

David Davis | 589 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

Although I understand what my hon. Friend is saying, I rather agree with the hon. Member for Pert...

Julian Lewis | 589 cc1315-7 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, and by using concepts such as “the war on terror” as part of our counter-propaganda c...

Bob Stewart | 589 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening to my hon. Friend talk on the subject of ideology. One thing that crosses m...

Julian Lewis | 589 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right and the insincerity of some of those who do these sort of thin...

Mike Hancock | 589 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman does not fall into the trap that his hon. Friend the Member for Be...

Julian Lewis | 589 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. It is certainly true that, for obvious reasons, many of these journeys are undertaken in ...

Caroline Lucas | 589 cc1318-9 (Link to this contribution)

I want to say a little about new clause 12, which I tabled. I believe that there is strong eviden...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1319-1320 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have read the paper from the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. Would it be fair to say th...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1320 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady makes a perfectly fair point. Most of the evidence is coming from that direct...

Mark Field | 589 c1320 (Link to this contribution)

While I agree that there is much we can learn from what happens in other nations, does the hon. L...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

I do not doubt that much work is going on, some of it very good, but I wanted to pinpoint the exp...

Mark Field | 589 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady not recognise that we are some 20 weeks away from a general election and so, u...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, but I would not be as relaxed about the t...

Pete Wishart | 589 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady was on to a powerful theme when she was describing some of the other initiatives we...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. He rightly says that in this country it feels v...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

In the light of the previous intervention, I should make it absolutely clear that Prevent is a lo...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. If it is all as happily happening as he suggests, I hope that he w...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Lady, who had a difficult choice to make. I am curious about why s...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for a well made contribution. She was perfectly right to make such a point,...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the points made by the hon. Lady, but I just wonder what projects she has visited. Some of...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the right hon. Lady. I have seen and been part of some of those extraordi...

Julian Lewis | 589 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

There is a vast difference between stigmatising individuals who are at risk, which is not propose...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

I think that I thank the hon. Gentleman for that. There are problems with the way he describes th...

Julian Lewis | 589 c1323 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is very kind. This will be my last intervention, so she has an open goal after that...

Caroline Lucas | 589 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

I have no problem with talking about barbaric ideology or about actions that are barbaric, but if...

Mark Durkan | 589 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

The situation in Northern Ireland has already been mentioned, where the emphasis has been on a pr...

Caroline Lucas | 589 cc1324-5 (Link to this contribution)

I definitely thank the hon. Gentleman for that contribution, which is immensely helpful and reall...

Pete Wishart | 589 cc1325-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Weir—the more Scottish National party Membe...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1326 (Link to this contribution)

I have some sympathy with the argument that the hon. Gentleman is developing on working with comm...

Pete Wishart | 589 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. The right hon. Lady is partly correct. There is something that draws people in, but our f...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman and I have debated this on previous occasions. Does he think that ISIS is kill...

Pete Wishart | 589 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

No, of course not. If I may put it ever so gently to the right hon. Lady, that question is not wo...

Mike Hancock | 589 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for not being here when the hon. Gentleman started his speech. I agree that the Iraq ...

Pete Wishart | 589 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right. Of course it has not changed behaviour, but we owe it to ourselves t...

Mark Durkan | 589 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is exactly right to warn of the dangers of hon. Members helping to feed the ve...

Pete Wishart | 589 cc1328-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman because he is right to say that we must see this in the round...

Mike Hancock | 589 cc1329-1330 (Link to this contribution)

I come to this debate with a great deal of sadness about what has happened in my own city. Six yo...

Jeremy Corbyn | 589 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for missing the beginning of the debate; I was in Westminster Hall. Does the hon. Gen...

Mike Hancock | 589 cc1330-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is more than regrettable that that has happened—it is despicable. Of course the hon. Gentleman...

Paul Blomfield | 589 cc1331-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a couple of brief points on amendment 20 and the impact of clauses 21 to 27 on univer...

Diana Johnson | 589 cc1332-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Salford and Eccles (Hazel Blears) for opening the deb...

Jeremy Corbyn | 589 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very good point about funding. Does she agree that it is also importan...

Diana Johnson | 589 cc1333-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very important point as part of the debate about Prevent spending on comba...

Pete Wishart | 589 c1336 (Link to this contribution)

I presume from her comments that the hon. Lady does not want Scotland included in this. I am sure...

Diana Johnson | 589 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

We are at the Committee stage of the Bill, looking specifically at the Government’s provisions. S...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady but I just want to correct a tiny detail. The National Crime Agenc...

Diana Johnson | 589 cc1337-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that comment and for putting the record straight.

Althou...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1339-1340 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a good and wide-ranging debate that has touched on powerful and important themes rela...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister moves further into singing the praises of part 5, with which I actually agree...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I absolutely recognise the continuing challenge and threats in Northern Ireland and com...

Lady Hermon | 589 cc1340-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise with some sense of exasperation because with the greatest respect to the Minister, for who...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1341 (Link to this contribution)

As I have sought to explain to the hon. Lady, the clause seeks to give effect to the Prevent stra...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1341 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one last time to the hon. Lady, but then I will need to make some progress.

Lady Hermon | 589 c1341 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. I need him to put on the record whether or not the Home Office has...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1341 (Link to this contribution)

I can give a categorical no to the hon. Lady’s question. This is rather about the manner in which...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1341-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will respond, if I am given a chance, to the amendment the right hon. Lady has tabled and to a ...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1342 (Link to this contribution)

One issue that has been of deep concern to me for the past few years has been the lack of support...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1342-4 (Link to this contribution)

They absolutely are not. Those communities are very much a core strand of the work. If we look at...

Diana Johnson | 589 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

We have not had the advantage of seeing that guidance. Is the Minister saying that there will be ...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

It is intended to be one set of guidance covering all the relevant public bodies, but our intenti...

Hazel Blears | 589 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

When we were discussing the need to counter ideology, I asked whether that would be included in t...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1345-6 (Link to this contribution)

I hear that message loud and clear. I hope that the right hon. Lady will receive further reassura...

Hazel Blears | 589 cc1346-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his customary good manners, politeness and attention to detail on these ...

Gary Streeter | 589 c1351 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to consider the following:

Clause 35 stand part.

Sche...

James Brokenshire | 589 c1351 (Link to this contribution)

Clauses 34 and 35 address two discrete but important aspects. Clause 34 amends the Terrorism Act ...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 589 cc1351-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his helpful explanation. It is right that we do not pay ransoms and that...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1356-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his support. It is a sobering fact that ISIL alone made $35 ...

Diana Johnson | 589 cc1357-8 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 24, in clause 36, page 22, line 14, leave out subsection (1) and insert—<...

Gary Streeter | 589 cc1358-9 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 23, in clause 36, page ...

Diana Johnson | 589 cc1359-1360 (Link to this contribution)

This group of amendments relates to the Government’s plans to create a privacy and civil libertie...

David Davis | 589 c1360 (Link to this contribution)

I guess that the precursor of the proposal is the organ with exactly the same name in the United ...

Diana Johnson | 589 cc1360-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman will contribute to the debate, and I certainly have thing...

David Davis | 589 cc1362-5 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to new clause 3, tabled in my name. It is entitled “Intercept Evidence—use in legal...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened intently to the right hon. Gentleman’s contribution. Will he reflect on the fact ...

David Davis | 589 cc1366-7 (Link to this contribution)

I speak as probably one of the last people to give evidence at a Diplock court. It was against a ...

John McDonnell | 589 cc1367-8 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Member for Haltemprice and Howden (Mr Davis) on his consistent appr...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1368-9 (Link to this contribution)

Let me first address that last point from the hon. Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnel...

Lady Hermon | 589 c1369 (Link to this contribution)

Even though part 5 does not extend to Northern Ireland, I would welcome a guarantee from the Mini...

James Brokenshire | 589 cc1369-1371 (Link to this contribution)

I recognise the knowledge and expertise that reside in Northern Ireland. The independent reviewer...

Diana Johnson | 589 c1371 (Link to this contribution)

I listened to what the Minister said, in particular, about the amendments on clause 36. While I w...

David Winnick | 589 c1372 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I understand that references have been made during the...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 589 c1372 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order. I am sure that he is aware that I am not stric...

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