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2014 JHA Opt-out Decision

Debate on Monday, 15 July 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness May of Maidenhead. The answering member was Yvette Cooper.
Motion that this House believes that the UK should opt out of all EU police and criminal justice measures adopted before December 2009 and seek to rejoin measures where it is in the national interest to do so and invites the European Scrutiny Committee, the Home Affairs Select Committee and the Justice Select Committee to submit relevant reports before the end of October, before the Government opens formal discussions with the Commission, Council and other Member States on the set of measures in Command Paper 8671, prior to the Government’s formal application to rejoin measures in accordance with Article 10(5) of Protocol 36 to the TFEU. Opposition amendment negatived on division (237 to 350). Amendment made in the name of Mr Beith agreed to. Main question as amended, agreed to on division (341 to 244).
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
566 cc769-853 
Session
2013-14
Department
Home Office
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Proceeding contributions
John Bercow | 566 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I inform the House that I have selected amendments (c) and (b) in the names of the Leader of the ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House believes that the UK should opt out of all EU police and cri...


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Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c770 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c770 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend allow me to finish my sentence? He is quick off the mark, as he always is on ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c770 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way to me so early on. Is it not unfortunat...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that I do not need to remind my hon. Friend, given his attention to detail in these mat...

Bernard Jenkin | 566 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I give way first to the Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee.

Keith Vaz | 566 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Home Secretary. May I thank her for engaging in a fruitful discussion a...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c771 (Link to this contribution)

The point is that this is a two-stage process. It has been made clear to us by the European Commi...

Mark Reckless | 566 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary confirm that if the House votes tonight for her motion she will immediate...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I can confirm to my hon. Friend that the mandate we are seeking tonight will indeed lead to the U...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I said that I would give way to my hon. Friend.

Bernard Jenkin | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend, who is being very generous. I welcome her words about the importanc...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

The whole point about the renegotiation that we as the Conservative party have announced we will ...

Bernard Jenkin | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend seems to be saying that we will opt out of the European arrest warrant and t...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend may find it rather strange that we have to opt out and then try to opt back in, bu...

Julian Huppert | 566 c772 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary is being extremely generous in giving way. Those of us who are keen to see som...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises a very important and valid point. It is our intention––and we expect to be ...

John Redwood | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

An opt-out from all the measures would be very popular on the Conservative side in this House and...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly what the motion is intended to do.

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the Chairman of the European Scrutiny Committee.

William Cash | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. Her response to the hon. Member for Ca...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to make it clear and sorry if my remarks to my hon. Friend the Member for Cambridge le...

Naomi Long | 566 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 cc773-4 (Link to this contribution)

I have been extremely generous to Members. I may be prepared to take some interventions later in ...

Pete Wishart | 566 c774 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I have not explained the point yet, so I suggest that the hon. Gentleman waits to hear what I am ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the hon. Member for Caerphilly (Wayne David).

Wayne David | 566 c774 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary quoted the Minister for Europe’s statement of January 2011, but she did not me...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c774 (Link to this contribution)

We are going to ensure, as the motion suggests, that the Scrutiny Committee and the two Select Co...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the Chairman of the Select Committee.

Lord Beith | 566 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady. I can confirm that I was consulted about the voting arrange...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said to the right hon. Gentleman and to others who have raised the issue of the ex...

Andrew Percy | 566 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my right hon. Friend on asking us to vote on this opt-out today, but I am a little...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 cc775-6 (Link to this contribution)

The decision on the form that that vote will take has not yet been made, but I am well aware of t...

Ian Davidson | 566 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way to a Scottish Member. To clarify, if reports a...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c776 (Link to this contribution)

It is not for me to suggest to the Scrutiny Committee or the Select Committees how they may wish ...

Stephen Phillips | 566 c776 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has set out the timetable, but under the relevant paragraph of the protocol ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c776 (Link to this contribution)

The Commission is clear that any work that would be undertaken would take place before that date,...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the hon. Member for Birmingham, Selly Oak (Steve McCabe), but I will give way to t...

Pete Wishart | 566 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for finally giving way to a Member from a minority party—the...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c777 (Link to this contribution)

It is not the case that the Scottish Government knew nothing about this until last week. The Unde...

Naomi Long | 566 c777 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c777 (Link to this contribution)

I will. The hon. Lady has waited patiently.

Naomi Long | 566 c777 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary confirm, as she failed to do last week when I questioned her on this matt...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c777 (Link to this contribution)

As I believe I said last week during my statement in response to a similar question from the hon....

James Clappison | 566 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the points that my right hon. Friend has just made. Will she bear it in mind that this ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 cc778-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to be concerned about the indications of some of the intentions about the...

Gerald Howarth | 566 c779 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend and I apologise for not being here at the outset. The ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c779 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that if we opt back into the European arrest warrant it will be subject t...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c779 (Link to this contribution)

I will make just a little more progress and then give way to my right hon. Friend.

It is im...

Lord Herbert of South Downs | 566 c779 (Link to this contribution)

Hon. Members are understandably concerned about the constitutional implications of the changes, b...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c780 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. He refers to delay, and there are very good examples of...

Andrew Turner | 566 c780 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend assist me by explaining Norway and Switzerland’s position on the curren...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c780 (Link to this contribution)

Of course some countries negotiate arrangements with other countries—indeed, we have individual a...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I have been very indulgent, but I will give way one last time to the hon. Gentleman .

Wayne David | 566 c780 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary has outlined the changes to the European arrest warrant that she would like to...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I have been discussing with other member states the operation of the European arrest warrant and ...

Steve Baker | 566 c781 (Link to this contribution)

A few moments ago my right hon. Friend talked about a number of serious offenders whom she said m...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c781 (Link to this contribution)

Following the introduction of the European arrest warrant, there is a clear difference between th...

Richard Shepherd | 566 c781 (Link to this contribution)

The difficulty has always been the concept of the mutual recognition of different legal systems. ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 c781 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend raises an important point. It is exactly that issue in a number of areas—for examp...

Lord Blunkett | 566 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Home Secretary, who has been generous in taking a considerable number of int...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman has put the point very well, and I am sure the whole House has listened ...

Mark Reckless | 566 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Home Secretary aware of the European Union Act 2011 in the context of what is required for...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 566 cc783-4 (Link to this contribution)

Let me give my hon. Friend the answer that I gave when the matter was last raised with me. I do n...

Yvette Cooper | 566 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

There is a serious debate to be had about European crime and justice, about how we should tackle ...

Wayne David | 566 c786 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has suggested that there may be an attempt to bounce the House into making t...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c786 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that that is what it looks like. Why else would there have been such late...

Pete Wishart | 566 c786 (Link to this contribution)

Can we clarify the Labour position? Would Labour opt out of the EU policing and human affairs cha...

Yvette Cooper | 566 cc786-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to come on to the substance because our view is that we should not be opting out witho...

Mark Reckless | 566 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Before the right hon. Lady goes through her list, will she give us some understanding of why the ...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c787 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that Denmark and the opt-out negotiations is the best possible example to refer to,...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c787 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way but I do want to come on to some of the measures that the Home Secretary is propo...

John Redwood | 566 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Does the shadow Home Secretary accept that if we opt in to a fundamental measure such as the Euro...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c787 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is right to say that opting into the EAW does mean it will be subject to...

George Eustice | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

But all the uncertainty the right hon. Lady cites about the ability to opt back into some of thes...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

The negotiations took place to secure the best possible deal and flexibility for the UK at the ti...

Steve McCabe | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

As we are going to keep coming back to this issue, is it not fair to admit that the block opt-out...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a really important point. Indeed, those concerns were raised by the House of...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

Accepting that it is important that there are extradition arrangements with other countries, does...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have said that that would not be possible and that they would have to go back to t...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I shall give way once more, then I want to make progress, as many Members wish to contribute to t...

Bernard Jenkin | 566 c789 (Link to this contribution)

We still do not know whether the right hon. Lady is in favour of opting out or not—it sounds like...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c789 (Link to this contribution)

In fact, having sovereign arrangements with no ability to extradite without having to go through ...

James Clappison | 566 c789 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for giving way again. Of the 130 measures, are there any at ...

Yvette Cooper | 566 cc789-790 (Link to this contribution)

There is a whole series of measures in respect of which it will make no difference whether we are...

William Cash | 566 c790 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the shadow Home Secretary for giving way; I was in contest with her in the days ...

Yvette Cooper | 566 cc790-1 (Link to this contribution)

As always, I bow to the detail of the hon. Gentleman’s memory. I confess that it is true—I cannot...

Yvette Cooper | 566 c791 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to give way to the hon. Gentleman because I suspect he will quote from page 37, but I ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 566 c791 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman’s intervention will be brief.

William Cash | 566 c791 (Link to this contribution)

Basically, the European Scrutiny Committee, under the chairmanship of the Government at that time...

Yvette Cooper | 566 cc791-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman probably does need to recognise that things have moved on slightly since 2001,...

John Redwood | 566 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Today’s debate should be about the very future of the United Kingdom’s democracy. I and many of m...

Julian Huppert | 566 c792 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman talks about alternatives to some of these measures. Is he aware of the f...

John Redwood | 566 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we can find police and others who take the hon. Gentleman’s view, but I think that it i...

Martin Horwood | 566 c793 (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman is challenging the fundamental idea of an international arrest warran...

John Redwood | 566 c793 (Link to this contribution)

My maths tells me that there are far fewer countries in the European Union than in the rest of th...

Chris Bryant | 566 c793 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman suggests that it would be perfectly fine to abandon the European arrest ...

John Redwood | 566 cc793-4 (Link to this contribution)

To find a country where there is a problem does not disprove my case. My case is that if there is...

Keith Vaz | 566 cc794-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Wokingham (Mr Redwood) on a subject a...

Mark Reckless | 566 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the motion somewhat confused between two distinct issues: first, whether we should exercis...

Keith Vaz | 566 cc796-7 (Link to this contribution)

The best course of action would have been to take note of what the Government have done without m...

William Cash | 566 c797 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for the way in which he is making the very important ca...

Keith Vaz | 566 c797 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. I want to give the Home Secretary the benefit of the doub...

George Eustice | 566 c797 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the right hon. Gentleman’s point, but the Government also need time to negotiate the...

Keith Vaz | 566 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I will put that view to members of the Home Affairs Committee when we meet tomorrow. I will quote...

Julian Huppert | 566 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Chair of the Select Committee for giving way. Just to show that we are indeed doing t...

Keith Vaz | 566 c798 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is one of the most assiduous attenders of the Home Affairs Select Committee, a...

Steve McCabe | 566 c798 (Link to this contribution)

Has my right hon. Friend reflected on what it would do to the Home Secretary’s credibility if she...

Keith Vaz | 566 cc798-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is nonsense to suggest that the other member states of the...

William Cash | 566 c799 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a classic example of scrutiny going wrong, not from the point of view of the Europe...

Mark Reckless | 566 c799 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether my hon. Friend has noticed some consternation among Liberal Democrat Member...

William Cash | 566 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and if the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert), who is obviously extremely keen to int...

Julian Huppert | 566 c799 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Rochester and Strood (Mark Reckless), who serves on the Home Affairs Committe...

William Cash | 566 c800 (Link to this contribution)

If that were the case for scrutiny, I would simply refer the hon. Gentleman to the Standing Order...

James Clappison | 566 c800 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Rochester and Strood (Mark Reckless) does not look completely overw...

William Cash | 566 cc800-1 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and I personally take that view, which lies at the heart of the matter that I raised with...

Chris Bryant | 566 c801 (Link to this contribution)

Does that mean the Government would have to come back to the House with a proper debate on the pr...

William Cash | 566 c801 (Link to this contribution)

The Command Paper sets out, very late in the day, various lists, proposals, explanatory memorandu...

William Cash | 566 c801 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the Chairman of the Liaison and Justice Committees because he also has matters to r...

Lord Beith | 566 c802 (Link to this contribution)

Did the three of us—the three Committee Chairs—not warn the Government repeatedly against allowin...

William Cash | 566 c802 (Link to this contribution)

This is driven not by hostility, but by basic common sense: it helps the democratic process and t...

Chris Bryant | 566 c802 (Link to this contribution)

But article 10 of protocol 36 also says that the Commission will, wherever possible, seek to ensu...

William Cash | 566 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know about these private conversations, and I do not know whether Prism has been at work...

George Eustice | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an important technical point, but is there not a more fundamental object...

William Cash | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I take a strong view on these matters not only in respect of the importance of scrutiny as a matt...

John Redwood | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I am very attracted to amendment (b), standing in the name of my hon. Friend and the other two Co...

William Cash | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

It would be difficult for me to presume to know what the view of the House was, but I earnestly s...

William Cash | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

—which I am getting—to say that the Government will go along with our amendment, which would be v...

Chris Bryant | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. As I understand it, the Justice Secretary just nodded ...

Baroness Primarolo | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Surprisingly enough, there are no private conversations in the Chamber; Members are supposed to h...

Lord Grayling | 566 c803 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. It might be helpful to the House to say—as ...

Lord Beith | 566 c804 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Can I claim a reward for getting my amendme...

Baroness Primarolo | 566 c804 (Link to this contribution)

Sir Alan, you were just fractionally ahead of me. I seem to recollect that Mr Speaker said that t...

Chris Bryant | 566 c804 (Link to this contribution)

That’s all right—it was a good one.

Baroness Primarolo | 566 c804 (Link to this contribution)

For a change, but perhaps we could return to Bill Cash.

William Cash | 566 c804 (Link to this contribution)

I really have no more to add, because this has been a highly satisfactory, if slightly informal, ...

Wayne David | 566 cc804-5 (Link to this contribution)

The decision before us this evening is important—I think. I say that because the significance of ...

George Eustice | 566 c805 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has highlighted his agreement with the Home Secretary that the European arrest...

Wayne David | 566 cc805-6 (Link to this contribution)

One of the main concerns is that there are many minor infringements. The Chairman of the Home Aff...

Julian Huppert | 566 c806 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in the debate, and to congratulate the Home Secretary. I welcomed the a...

Mark Reckless | 566 c806 (Link to this contribution)

There may have been less than full support for the statement from Conservative Members because, a...

Julian Huppert | 566 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman is happy, although on occasion he may not be entirely accu...

William Cash | 566 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that this is not about Europe. It is about Britain; it is about the British citizens. I i...

Julian Huppert | 566 c807 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is certainly making a point, but I am not sure that it is entirely the point. ...

Chris Bryant | 566 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I just wish to point out to the hon. Member for Stone (Mr Cash) that when Russia tried to extradi...

Julian Huppert | 566 cc807-8 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to pass that on, and I am sure the two hon. Gentlemen could have a separate ...

George Eustice | 566 c808 (Link to this contribution)

I take the hon. Gentleman’s point on board, but is he aware that even the Centre for European Ref...

Julian Huppert | 566 c808 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that the European arrest warrant needs to be reformed. I have said so in many debates in ...

Mark Reckless | 566 c809 (Link to this contribution)

What about the provision on the exchange of DNA? This country has a vast database, relative to th...

Julian Huppert | 566 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

That is indeed an issue I have more concern about. As I have said to the hon. Gentleman twice now...

Andrew Turner | 566 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but can he not think of a country—Iceland is a go...

Julian Huppert | 566 c810 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman is suggesting that the EAW could spread out to more and more countries, the...

Steve McCabe | 566 c810 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman made reference to Rob Wainwright and not wanting him to have to stand down. Du...

Julian Huppert | 566 c811 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments. I hope that the intervening period would be one of t...

Naomi Long | 566 cc811-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to have an opportunity to participate briefly in this debate. I want primarily to ad...

Bob Stewart | 566 c812 (Link to this contribution)

If the European arrest warrant did not apply, is the hon. Lady suggesting that the close relation...

Naomi Long | 566 cc812-4 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman is patient, I shall come on to the specific problems that will occur if the...

Mark Reckless | 566 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady says that the intention to opt back in to the EAW has been stated by the Government...

Naomi Long | 566 c814 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that that is the case, which causes me concern and, indeed, it will cause my colleagues ...

Lord Beith | 566 cc814-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise on behalf of the Liaison Committee and the Justice Committee, both of which I chair, to sp...

Chris Bryant | 566 c815 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, in that meeting the Home Secretary asserted that it was absolutely essential—...

Lord Beith | 566 c815 (Link to this contribution)

There has been argument about that from two Members who devote a great deal of time to the issue ...

Mark Harper | 566 c815 (Link to this contribution)

I confirm that that is the case, but let me be clear that what the Home Secretary said about the ...

Lord Beith | 566 c816 (Link to this contribution)

We would have been in a happier and more comfortable position had the Government carried out thei...

Bob Stewart | 566 c816 (Link to this contribution)

Does that mean that we now have a set time by which all the Committees are to complete their cons...

Lord Beith | 566 c816 (Link to this contribution)

We have an end of consideration date at the end of October, which is clear in the motion and emer...

Chris Bryant | 566 c816 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the Select Committee Chairman a question about how the three Committees will divvy up r...

Lord Beith | 566 cc816-7 (Link to this contribution)

Committees are well accustomed to dealing with overlap of responsibility. The Liaison Committee i...

Steve McCabe | 566 c817 (Link to this contribution)

Like a number of other Members, I am not clear exactly what the Home Secretary thinks she is tryi...

Mark Reckless | 566 c817 (Link to this contribution)

I intervened on the Home Secretary and asked her if she would be notifying immediately, to which ...

Steve McCabe | 566 c817 (Link to this contribution)

I was talking about the date the Government were specifying, but that does leave a bit of time, I...

Martin Horwood | 566 c818 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a very good case for a much simpler system that does not involve the...

Steve McCabe | 566 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman was in his place when I raised this point earlier, but t...

Richard Ottaway | 566 cc819-820 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary’s motion is the right motion, introduced in the right way at the right time, a...

Steve McCabe | 566 c820 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman is right and that those countries will have their reasons, but ...

Richard Ottaway | 566 cc820-1 (Link to this contribution)

My assessment is that most of the cases are so serious that the measures on triviality and propor...

James Clappison | 566 cc821-3 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by welcoming the revised motion tabled by the Government and their acceptance of the amen...

Martin Horwood | 566 c823 (Link to this contribution)

If we establish that we are participating in a body of European law or any international law, we ...

James Clappison | 566 c823 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman should be aware of the frustration felt in the House, which led the Government...

Martin Horwood | 566 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid the hon. Gentleman is hopelessly mixing up his European Courts. The European Court of...

James Clappison | 566 c823 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being less than fair, as I made it clear that I was referring to another Eu...

Mark Reckless | 566 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I felt I should intervene on my hon. Friend following the intervention from my hon. Friend the Me...

James Clappison | 566 cc823-4 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. He will reflect, as I do, on the position taken by the Govern...

James Clappison | 566 cc824-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and it has other consequences for the waistline, although I will not go into that now.

Dominic Raab | 566 cc825-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Hertsmere (Mr Clappison), who plac...

Dominic Raab | 566 c826 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the hon. Gentleman would not want to suggest that anybody has misled the House. I ...

Dominic Raab | 566 c826 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman. All I am doing is quoting back to the House, and to him, the assuranc...

Dominic Raab | 566 c826 (Link to this contribution)

May I confirm to my hon. Friend that he is entirely right in his observations? Of course this opt...

Dominic Raab | 566 cc826-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend. I have already quoted him and cited the important probing that he did bac...

Michael Ellis | 566 c829 (Link to this contribution)

I was a fierce critic of the European arrest warrant, but does my hon. Friend agree that the chan...

Dominic Raab | 566 c829 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. I will come back to the proposals in the Anti-social Behaviour...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c829 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that if we opt back in, the European arrest warrant cannot be better in future...

Dominic Raab | 566 cc829-830 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes his point, which I will come back to, in a powerful way. The issue has two d...

Nick de Bois | 566 c830 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned the case of my constituent Andrew Symeou. Is not the core of the problem...

Dominic Raab | 566 cc830-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is spot on. In fact, Lord Justice Thomas has said that the EAW

“presupposes ...

Robert Buckland | 566 cc831-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr Raab). In his excel...

David Burrowes | 566 c833 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is bringing a lot of wisdom and experience to this issue. Given that we want to st...

Robert Buckland | 566 c833 (Link to this contribution)

I pay tribute to my hon. Friend and to my hon. Friend the Member for Enfield North (Nick de Bois)...

Michael Ellis | 566 c833 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what my hon. Friend says, but does he agree that the changes envisaged to the European arr...

Chris Bryant | 566 c833 (Link to this contribution)

You’ve already made that point.

Michael Ellis | 566 c833 (Link to this contribution)

I see the Labour Benches are as full as I would expect them to be, which says something about the...

Robert Buckland | 566 c833 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to repeat a good point, and he should make no apology whatever for that. ...

Chris Bryant | 566 c834 (Link to this contribution)

That’s because you were charging by the word.

Robert Buckland | 566 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly was not charging by the word; it was a graduated fee system, but that is for another ...

Robert Buckland | 566 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment, but I want to deal with the point raised by, among others, my very g...

William Cash | 566 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I rose to say that I thought my hon. Friend was making a good job of what I think is a voluntary ...

Robert Buckland | 566 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I was not referring to me but to the previous intervention. I certainly do not fall into that cat...

Mark Reckless | 566 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be able to follow my hon. Friend the Member for South Swindon (Mr Buckland). I d...

Lindsay Hoyle | 566 c835 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I assure the hon. Gentleman that the hon. Member for South Swindon (Mr Buckland) was in th...

Mark Reckless | 566 c835 (Link to this contribution)

So his remarks were also very well prepared, for which I give him credit.

Earlier, the Home...

David Lidington | 566 c835 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend was right to read out those paragraphs of section 4(1) of the 2011 Act, but as its...

Mark Reckless | 566 c835 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether I have understood the Minister, but section 4(1) is of course subject to su...

David Lidington | 566 c835 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene again on my hon. Friend, but the point I was seeking to make—I apologise ...

Mark Reckless | 566 c836 (Link to this contribution)

It seems the Minister is saying that in substance it would be something to trigger a referendum, ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c836 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend because this is a most interesting point. Is it arguable to say t...

Mark Reckless | 566 c836 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to say that these matters could lead to significant delays in the courts,...

Michael Ellis | 566 c836 (Link to this contribution)

Would my hon. Friend accept that this concerns the potential retention of more powers from Europe...

Mark Reckless | 566 c836 (Link to this contribution)

No, I would not accept that for a minute. I was prepared for a repetitious intervention later, bu...

William Cash | 566 c836 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to pay tribute to my hon. Friend. I can well remember how some years ago at Oxford, ...

Mark Reckless | 566 cc836-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but that was partly because I and others benefited greatly from the instruction of my hon. F...

William Cash | 566 c837 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that the driving force that lay behind the necessity for the Chairmen ...

Mark Reckless | 566 c839 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The constitutional principles to which he draws attention are...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 cc839-840 (Link to this contribution)

It is good news that the Government, in their wisdom, have acceded to amendment (b), tabled by th...

William Cash | 566 c840 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend recall the words in Marlowe’s Dr Faustus:

“O lente, lente currite nocti...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 cc840-1 (Link to this contribution)

The education at Stonyhurst of my hon. Friend is exquisitely fine. His quotations are better than...

Mark Reckless | 566 c841 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend says that he is going to tackle a matter of detail. Before he proceeds on his new ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c841 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sympathetic to the view that my hon. Friend is expressing. The view of the Government i...

William Cash | 566 c841 (Link to this contribution)

The very thought of a judicial review in the name of Rees-Mogg invokes memories of the greatest o...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c841 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for reminding me of the activities of my late noble kinsman, who ...

Chris Bryant | 566 c841 (Link to this contribution)

I have just been cogitating on the hon. Gentleman’s earlier reference to Horatius Cocles. If I re...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 cc841-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thought the hon. Gentleman was going to refer to the geese that saved Rome and divert us with a...

William Cash | 566 c842 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, who is almost always right on matters of substance, might reflect on the fact tha...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important point, and we should all learn off by heart the 2001 report by the European ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed; we should all pay great heed to that report.

James Clappison | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, on the face of it, although the Government’s proposed amendment t...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

Where I part company with the Government is in believing that it would not be better to make thes...

William Cash | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend also bear in mind that in the welter of information—the labyrinth that has be...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

This is always a complex area. I have never thought that any Briton could ever suffer from xenoph...

James Clappison | 566 c843 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s analysis of this list of measures is absolutely scintillating, but before he mov...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c844 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that is quite it, because I think the process is subject to a Title V opt-out. The...

William Cash | 566 c844 (Link to this contribution)

I know my hon. Friend has heard this before, but does he accept that, for all the examples that c...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 cc844-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly the case, but I have sympathy with the Government wanting to have an arrest war...

Chris Bryant | 566 c845 (Link to this contribution)

It is always an enormous delight to follow the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Jacob Rees-Mo...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 566 c845 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the Home Secretary now is here, I should like to say that that was not what I was tryi...

Chris Bryant | 566 cc845-6 (Link to this contribution)

The great thing about the hon. Gentleman is that he sometimes achieves that to which he does not ...

William Cash | 566 c846 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman used the word “begging”, but I think it could be confidently stated that none ...

Chris Bryant | 566 cc846-7 (Link to this contribution)

Far be it for me to suggest that the hon. Gentleman is a mendicant in these matters, but he certa...

James Clappison | 566 c847 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman might like to compare this with the one relating to the treaty of Lisbon, whic...

Chris Bryant | 566 c847 (Link to this contribution)

I have read it only in Spanish. It is obviously a little bit more difficult when dealing not just...

Martin Horwood | 566 c847 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to say that I rather agree with the hon. Gentleman about the Command Paper, which co...

Chris Bryant | 566 cc847-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but the Lords Select Committee makes exactly the same condemnation of the Government’s proce...

William Cash | 566 c848 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the hon. Gentleman accepts that we are delighted by the acceptance of our amendment, wh...

Chris Bryant | 566 c848 (Link to this contribution)

It always pains me to disagree with a man whom I love so much, but as the hon. Gentleman refused ...

Chris Bryant | 566 cc848-9 (Link to this contribution)

I see the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert) moving forward, but I will not take any more int...

Lord Grayling | 566 cc849-851 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) talks a good talk, but this evening, as usual, it was ...

William Cash | 566 c851 (Link to this contribution)

On whether the Government will continue to seek to rejoin, would the Secretary of State take the ...

Lord Grayling | 566 c851 (Link to this contribution)

What I can say to my hon. Friend is that, as he and the other Select Committee Chairmen would exp...

Julian Huppert | 566 c851 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Justice Secretary for that comment. Will he make it clear that he believes it is in t...

Lord Grayling | 566 c851 (Link to this contribution)

I was coming to that point. I know just how controversial the European arrest warrant has been. M...

Mark Reckless | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State says he is happy to go along with this agreement. Will he explain what agr...

Lord Grayling | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

What we have agreed to do across the Government is table amendments to the Bill before the House ...

Wayne David | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Lord Grayling | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make some progress.

I want to return to the amendment tabled by the right...

Chris Bryant | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

The Justice Secretary referred to the changes to the operation of the European arrest warrant tha...

Lord Grayling | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

Both the Home Secretary and I have had extensive conversations with other member states and, of c...

Keith Vaz | 566 c852 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Justice Secretary give way?

Lord Grayling | 566 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make progress as I am running out of time.

We are here tonight because th...

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