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Antarctic Bill

Debate on bills on Friday, 18 January 2013, in the House of Commons, led by David Nuttall.
Bill considered without amendment. Debate interrupted.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
556 cc1143-1162 
Session
2012-13
Legislative stage
Report stage
Procedure
New clauses
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Antarctic Bill 2012-13
Wednesday, 20 June 2012
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
David Nuttall | 556 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

John Bercow | 556 c1143 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to consider the following:

Amendment 2, page 4, line 19, le...


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David Nuttall | 556 cc1143-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious this morning that families throughout the nation might be tuning into our proceedi...

Philip Davies | 556 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with my hon. Friend’s analysis that post-legislative scrutiny is a good thing, ...

David Nuttall | 556 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that point, because I realise that it might be unclea...

Philip Davies | 556 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that helpful clarification. I think that a more wide-ranging ...

David Nuttall | 556 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention, because it is important not to look at the Bill just in fina...

Harriett Baldwin | 556 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

Further to an earlier intervention, can my hon. Friend explain exactly how we would measure the b...

David Nuttall | 556 c1144 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good point. It would be up to the Secretary of State at the Foreign Office to cons...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 556 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

I am very interested in what my hon. Friend is saying, but I am slightly concerned that the cost-...

David Nuttall | 556 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention. Let me immediately put my hon. Friend’s fears to bed. I do n...

David Nuttall | 556 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to my constituency neighbour from Rossendale and Darwen.

Jake Berry | 556 c1145 (Link to this contribution)

Did my hon. Friend consider specifying a longer period than three years? Being a lawyer, like me,...

David Nuttall | 556 cc1145-7 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I did. Indeed, I am grateful for that intervention because it gives me a chance to say that ...

Philip Davies | 556 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will be aware that I have tabled an amendment seeking to delete clause 5 from the ...

David Nuttall | 556 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that if the House decided to accept my hon. Friend’s amendment, clause 5 would be de...

David Nuttall | 556 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

The reality is that the duty in clause 5

“to take preventative measures and make contingenc...

Harriett Baldwin | 556 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that as a result of this Bill, which I sincerely hope will become an Act duri...

David Nuttall | 556 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s intervention. I think I made it clear in response to an earlie...

Philip Davies | 556 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

I want to press my hon. Friend. My last intervention encouraged him to say how much he disagreed ...

David Nuttall | 556 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

I think the answer to that question is simply this: clearly, clause 5 would add to the size of th...

Jake Berry | 556 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

Before my hon. Friend moves on to that other matter, I would like to put a point to him. There ha...

David Nuttall | 556 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. It is not just about whether the Bill is being too effective i...

Jake Berry | 556 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has identified a key issue. Fishing for profit does not, of course, cover all fish...

David Nuttall | 556 c1148 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good point. The House may well need to reconsider. Every visit to Antarctica carri...

Philip Davies | 556 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend appears, whether deliberately or inadvertently, to be moving on to the issue of wh...

David Nuttall | 556 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

My own view is that the cost-benefit analysis would be relevant only to the UK. I think that it w...

Philip Davies | 556 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that, but surely my hon. Friend appreciates its relevance to the international treat...

David Nuttall | 556 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made an important point. Given that the Bill’s origins lie in international tr...

Philip Davies | 556 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the danger of allowing each country to conduct its own cost-benefit analysis is that it wo...

David Nuttall | 556 cc1149-1150 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what my hon. Friend means. There is always the risk, with any international agreemen...

George Hollingbery | 556 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Shipley (Philip Davies) made an interesting point about the wider o...

David Nuttall | 556 cc1150-1 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that if we conducted a cost-benefit analysis in the right spirit, it might serve as a m...

Oliver Colvile | 556 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that yesterday was the 101st anniversary of Scott’s arrival on the south ...

David Nuttall | 556 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

No, I was not aware of that, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend for bringing it to the attention...

John Bercow | 556 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

Order. For the avoidance of doubt—we would not want to mislead anyone outside the House—may I say...

David Nuttall | 556 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

It is, indeed, fortuitous.

10.15 am

Jake Berry | 556 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about the unintended consequences of the 1994 Act. That point highlights why...

David Nuttall | 556 c1152 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point that both supports my new clause 1 in proposing that a cos...

Kerry McCarthy | 556 cc1152-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will be as brief as possible, as there are other Bills that we want to debate today, and this B...

David Nuttall | 556 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make it clear that I do not envisage, in any way, a cost-benefit analysis leading to th...

Kerry McCarthy | 556 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that clarification.

Obviously we have to keep a clo...

Philip Davies | 556 cc1153-5 (Link to this contribution)

First, I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud (Neil Carmichael) on getting his Bill ...

David Nuttall | 556 c1155 (Link to this contribution)

All those matters to which my hon. Friend has just referred are taken almost word for word from a...

Philip Davies | 556 cc1155-6 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my hon. Friend’s point, but I ask him to allow me to make a little progress. He migh...

David Nuttall | 556 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not the case that the FCO has included those provisions on its website and ensured that vis...

Philip Davies | 556 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend might well be right and I look forward with interest to what the Minister has to s...

George Hollingbery | 556 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

I am not a lawyer, unlike a good many colleagues in the House today. Are the offences specified i...

Philip Davies | 556 cc1156-7 (Link to this contribution)

To be perfectly honest, my hon. Friend has got to the heart of my amendment. That is not particul...

Stephen Pound | 556 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Speaker will be the judge of that.

Philip Davies | 556 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, and Mr Speaker is very capable of making those decisions without the hon. Gentleman’s...

David Nuttall | 556 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

My reading of annex V is that it refers to the protection of areas, rather than to the planning o...

Philip Davies | 556 cc1157-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right in that regard, but as I said, the 1994 Act already requires environmenta...

Jake Berry | 556 c1158 (Link to this contribution)

Earlier, my hon. Friend referred to the new clause including places such as the Channel Islands a...

Philip Davies | 556 cc1158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. That may well be an alternative explanation for why we need cl...

Jake Berry | 556 c1159 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is talking about a cost-benefit analysis. Would it not be better to talk about a b...

Philip Davies | 556 c1159 (Link to this contribution)

That is a fair point. I do not have a strong view. I do not see the harm in doing a cost-benefit ...

Oliver Colvile | 556 c1159 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think that we could look at introducing sunset clauses into legislation much ...

Philip Davies | 556 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. There are different ways of doing these things. Perhaps there ...

Jake Berry | 556 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

May I caution my hon. Friend against overuse of the Ronseal test? Of course, Ronseal is based in ...

Philip Davies | 556 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

As a south Yorkshire boy originally, my allegiance is more to Sheffield than it ever would be to ...

Neil Carmichael | 556 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

First, I should tell the House that I have been to the Antarctic through the British Antarctic Su...

Philip Davies | 556 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his opening remarks. With reference to my amendment, it would...

Neil Carmichael | 556 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

That is something I shall have to consult on. I personally did not have to do an environmental as...

Philip Davies | 556 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

Surely my hon. Friend would accept that if a cost-benefit analysis took place, we could see wheth...

Neil Carmichael | 556 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that helpful intervention, but the idea is to ensure that people behav...

David Nuttall | 556 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully to what my hon. Friend said. Does he not accept that, as I said in my remark...

Neil Carmichael | 556 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

The real demonstration of the effectiveness of the Bill when it is enacted will be when other nat...

David Nuttall | 556 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, is my hon. Friend able to update the House on how many of the other contracting pa...

Neil Carmichael | 556 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. Seven parties have already done so, which is exceptionally good news. They include countr...

Philip Davies | 556 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that under the 1994 Act and the measures already in place, that can al...

Neil Carmichael | 556 c1162 (Link to this contribution)

That is a good point. However, environmental assessments are one thing, but making preparations t...

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