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Welfare Reform Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 14 December 2011, in the House of Lords.
Welfare Reform Bill. Lords report stage second day.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
733 c1285-349, 1362-98 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Report stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Welfare Reform Bill. As amended in Grand Committee.
Monday, 28 November 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Best | 733 c1285 (Link to this contribution) 12: Clause 11, page 5, line 2, after ““credit”” insert ““, subject to subsection (3A),””
Lord Best | 733 c1285-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am speaking to Amendments 12, 14 and 49. I know that amendments to my amendments have be...

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Bishop of Ripon and Leeds | 733 c1291 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name in support of the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Best, because of ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1287-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 14ZZA and 49A, which are in this group and are amendments to Am...
Lord Stoneham of Droxford | 733 c1298-300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as chair of First Wessex Housing Association and Housing 21. I am pl...
Lord German | 733 c1300 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two groups of people to whom I want to refer. My noble friend Lady Thomas referred ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1300-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I need to thank noble Lords to start with for a thoughtful and insightful debate. The int...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1291-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as chair of Broadland Housing Association. I am delighted to support...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 733 c1294-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak as someone who supported Amendment 14, and I am very happy to agree to the composi...
Lord Wigley | 733 c1296-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak in support of Amendment 12, indeed Amendment 14 as it was, and other amend...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c1297-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for once again coming in a bit late to the debate. On this occasion, I was at ...
Lord Best | 733 c1339 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. We already have up and running, thanks to the good work of the Minister, a ...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1330-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendment 19. I have particular concerns. I fully endorse the point made by the ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1338-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief. The amendment indicates our very real concerns about the effect of a...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1338 (Link to this contribution) 20: Clause 11, page 5, line 29, at end insert— ““(6) Within one year of these regulations coming int...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1337-8 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for taking part. There are very real concerns, not just for women who are going ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1335-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is rather interesting to look at the actual rates. If you take two people, each with th...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1335 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think anyone disputes that, but at the bottom end of the market it will be a room...
Lord Freud | 733 c1335 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 19 from the noble Baronesses, Lady Hollis and Lady Meacher, deals with a subject...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 733 c1333-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as my noble friend Lady Hollis made clear, this amendment addresses the cases of those who...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lady Hollis of Heigham. She has painted ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1328 (Link to this contribution) 19: Clause 11, page 5, line 29, at end insert— ““(6) Regulations shall provide that where the award ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1328-30 (Link to this contribution) I would like to continue the argument with the Chief Whip, but we will move on. Perhaps we will have...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 733 c1327-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was waiting for those words, and that is why I had not made a procedural intervention. H...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1328 (Link to this contribution) In which case, I think that all I need to do is to say, I beg to move. Amendment 17A agreed. Amend...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1328 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, for the avoidance of doubt, as I say, the Government do not accept the amendment. I will c...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1326-7 (Link to this contribution) May I very rudely interrupt the noble Baroness, Lady Hollis? I am reminded, of course, by those who ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1327 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my case then stands, in other words. I had understood that when the noble Lord, Lord McKen...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1327 (Link to this contribution) If it has not been moved already, then I beg to move.
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1346 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting again, but £4 billion is surely a tiny amount relative to the losses in...
Lord Freud | 733 c1345-6 (Link to this contribution) The answer to that is very simple: the universal credit will, each year, inject an extra £4 billion ...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1345 (Link to this contribution) I listen to the Minister’s passion—““We have to do this, we have to do this””—and I find myself thin...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1347 (Link to this contribution) I speak as someone who is rather preoccupied with financial inclusion. The Minister is describing a ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1346-7 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. We have made it absolutely clear that we expect those who are vulnerable to continue t...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 733 c1346 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I understand the Minister correctly, he is saying that this is all part of getting peop...
Lord Freud | 733 c1346 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely not; £4 billion is a very substantial figure. Over the course of this SR, we are looking ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1348-9 (Link to this contribution) I am saying that we are working really hard with the banks and the banking community to make sure th...
Lord Cormack | 733 c1347-8 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend is trying to be helpful and I appreciate that very much. Is he saying that this amou...
Lord Freud | 733 c1347 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly what we need to ensure and that is exactly what we are discussing with the banking g...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1340 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister and to our noble colleague—I was going to say our noble friend—the nob...
Lord Freud | 733 c1339 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I acknowledge and commend the contributions of the noble Baroness and the noble Lord to th...
Lord Best | 733 c1340-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment relates to the payment of help with housing costs—at present in housing bene...
Lord Best | 733 c1340 (Link to this contribution) 21: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause— ““Payment of housing costs (1) This section ap...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1342 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would prefer housing benefit to be part of UC and to be paid to the tenant, because I th...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 733 c1341 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having listened to that explanation from my noble friend Lord Best, I have been completely...
Lord Cormack | 733 c1343-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Best, has made a powerful case. He made it very gently but forcefully...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1342-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak briefly in support of the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Best, from...
Lord Freud | 733 c1345 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my intention is to reassure the noble Lord, Lord Best, so that he withdraws his amendment....
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 733 c1344-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, dinner beckons. Nevertheless, there are seven good reasons for accepting this amendment. ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1318 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. I certainly do not intend to press the amendment. As h...
Lord Freud | 733 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for this opportunity to debate the way in which we will provide hel...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1316-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment deals with mortgage interest relief. When we raised this issue in Committee,...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1316 (Link to this contribution) 14A: Clause 11, page 5, line 23, at end insert ““including mortgage interest””
Lord Geddes | 733 c1316 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since this is a manuscript amendment, it might be of assistance to the House if I read it....
Lord Best | 733 c1315 (Link to this contribution) 14: Clause 11, page 5, line 21, at end insert— ““(3A) In relation to a dwelling of which the landlor...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1315 (Link to this contribution) 14ZZA: Clause 11, line 3, after ““provider of social housing”” insert ““, and no suitable alternativ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1313-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 13—and Amendment 48, which is a repeat of Amendment 13 but relates to Clause 68—...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1315 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. He seems to have made a number of concessions in response to...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1313 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have Amendment 14ZA in this group, which concerns foster carers seeking exemption from ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 733 c1313 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, I simply say how glad I am that the no...
Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 733 c1312 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a question for my noble friend about the disabled facilities grant, which I gather ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1311 (Link to this contribution) 13: Clause 11, page 5, line 21, at end insert— ““(3A) In the case of alleged under-occupancy regulat...
Lord Best | 733 c1307 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am deeply grateful to Members from all parts of the House for their support. I am gratef...
Baroness Wilkins | 733 c1312 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Joint Committee on Human Rights has just published its legislative scrutiny of the Wel...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1311-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have had a very large number of letters on the whole issue of underoccupancy. The vast m...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1302 (Link to this contribution) Would the Minister clarify whether that £30 million is a one-off figure or an annual figure, and fro...
Lord Freud | 733 c1302-4 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to clarify that that is an annual figure that starts in the year 2013-14, when the actu...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1304 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I said that she would ““occasionally”” need—in other words, the assumption is that she wou...
Lord Freud | 733 c1304-7 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that we can look at the difference between ““occasional”” and ““regular”” in detail outsid...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1326 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall respond in the same helpful measure. I am grateful to the noble Lord. The Chair pu...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1326 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not believe I considered it to be consequential, but I believe that we debated it as ...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1326 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, may I ask a question of the Opposition at this point? There has been no claim that ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1324-5 (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords will be aware that we propose to limit increasing the local housing allowance in line wi...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1322-3 (Link to this contribution) I have a series of amendments on housing. This amendment calls for periodic reviews of the interconn...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1325 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful and with great pleasure withdraw the amendment, knowing that our policy intent an...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1326 (Link to this contribution) 17A: Clause 11, page 5, line 23, at end insert— ““(4A) Regulations shall not permit any reduction of...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1325 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, for her support and her additional probing and qu...
Lord Freud | 733 c1325 (Link to this contribution) On the basis that the noble Baroness is going to be incredibly helpful to me in all the consequent a...
Lord Freud | 733 c1321 (Link to this contribution) I thought that I would be self-deprecating and leave the ““very”” out. The noble Baroness asked me ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 733 c1321 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness was even more generous. She actually described it as a ““very intelligent respons...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1322 (Link to this contribution) 17: Clause 11, page 5, line 23, at end insert— ““(4A) Regulations shall provide for— (a) the frequen...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1321 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to withdraw my amendment. I absolutely understand that this is a work in progress, but we...
Lord Freud | 733 c1318 (Link to this contribution) To be absolutely honest, I have talked to the CML about this matter but I have not had a direct conv...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1318 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that further clarification and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 14A...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1318 (Link to this contribution) 15: Clause 11, page 5, line 23, at end insert— ““(4A) Regulations shall provide for a relevant chang...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1319-20 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 15 is a simple, genuinely probing amendment to get further clarity on the draft regs, give...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1320 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief, because it is very rarely possible to add to something that my noble fri...
Lord Freud | 733 c1320-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, local housing allowance rates are set each year at the anniversary date of the claim. In m...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1384-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be brief on Amendments 27, 30, 31 and 29, which deal with sanctions. However, given...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 733 c1384 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is very late and I have only a couple of thousand words to get through. More seriously,...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1384 (Link to this contribution) 27: Clause 26, page 12, line 41, leave out ““three years”” and insert ““one year””
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 733 c1384 (Link to this contribution) I think that the Companion says that the Minister is able to respond on Report, so it is very nice o...
Lord Freud | 733 c1384 (Link to this contribution) Rather than go into detail now I would like to wait for the proper consultation. The document is com...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 733 c1382 (Link to this contribution) When we look at the Macmillan recommendations, we can see that they take into account that people re...
Lord Freud | 733 c1382-3 (Link to this contribution) Let me go through the argument and I will pause just before I sit down to let the noble Baroness to ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1381-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is obviously a very sensitive issue, and I want to start by saying that we are determ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 733 c1380-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan, I think the fact that this amendment is necessary co...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 733 c1377-80 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 47. First, I want to declare an interest as chief executive of Breas...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) But if that means that he was previously on JSA and HB as part of his universal credit, and he has n...
Lord Freud | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, the sanction regime does not work like that. It takes away the equivalent amount of th...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1386 (Link to this contribution) Did the noble Lord say that if the person got a job, after six months in the job the sanctions would...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1386 (Link to this contribution) I do not think that is good enough. That means that coming back in and searching for the job—in othe...
Lord Freud | 733 c1386-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we thought about this matter very deeply and thought that it was very hard to genuinely me...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1385-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak extremely briefly to Amendment 28, which is in this group, but I would not w...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1385 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support my noble friend on his last point. The whole point of sanctions is not ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1386 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will also try to be as brief as possible. We had a very good discussion on this area in ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1369 (Link to this contribution) 23: Clause 15, page 7, line 13, at end insert ““but a claimant unable to comply with the requirement...
Baroness Grey-Thompson | 733 c1364-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, and to look specifica...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1365-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we should be grateful to the noble Baronesses, Lady Meacher and Lady Grey-Thompson, for in...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1362 (Link to this contribution) 21A: Clause 12, page 5, line 38, at end insert— ““(d) the fact that the claimant is a severely disab...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1362-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 21A seeks to provide for an addition within universal credit that is similar to ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1367-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will come to that. What we are dealing with here is rather interesting, as we move from ...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1368 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister very much for his response. Certainly, the idea was that this amendment should ...
Lord Freud | 733 c1366-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment seeks to put an additional element into the amount of universal credit that...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1367 (Link to this contribution) It would be helpful if the Minister could explain whether there is any provision in the new system f...
Lord Best | 733 c1349 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to all of those who have joined this debate. I am sure that we all feel...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1371-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak initially to Amendment 26. The amendment takes us into the as-yet uncharted waters...
Lord Freud | 733 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments contains a number of measures that align with our intentions, so ...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1375 (Link to this contribution) We are very pleased to hear that. Can the noble Lord tell us what definition of domestic violence th...
Lord Freud | 733 c1375-6 (Link to this contribution) I am going to have to write with a precise definition of domestic violence and the threat of domesti...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1376 (Link to this contribution) I shall not miss any opportunity on this because I know that this important community will hang on t...
Lord Freud | 733 c1376-7 (Link to this contribution) I think what I am saying is that you can take away the discretionary elements of support for this co...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1377 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response to my amendment on the requirement to attend work-fo...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 733 c1377 (Link to this contribution) 24: Clause 19, page 9, line 16, at end insert— ““(e) the claimant is receiving specified treatment f...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1369 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very short amendment which I came to as I leafed through the Bill before writing...
Lord De Mauley | 733 c1398 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me try again: I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. Co...
Lord Freud | 733 c1396-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 32A and 34A seek to use primary legislation to exclude criminal injuries compen...
Baroness Hollins | 733 c1397-8 (Link to this contribution) Given the lateness of the hour, I will withdraw my amendment. I will study very carefully what the M...
Lord Freud | 733 c1392-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we discussed a similar amendment to this in Grand Committee, I explained that we inte...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1393 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister explain what he expects here? The old enterprise allowance scheme, which was very e...
Lord Freud | 733 c1393-4 (Link to this contribution) I do not automatically think that we will use the example of young people in Jobcentre Plus to deal ...
Baroness Donaghy | 733 c1394 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response, and I look forward to seeing the regulations. However, I sti...
Lord Freud | 733 c1394 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I forgot to say something. There are two areas where we need to get really smart. One is t...
Baroness Donaghy | 733 c1394 (Link to this contribution) I am reassured by that. I certainly agree with the Minister that this is a very complex area and, as...
Baroness Hollins | 733 c1394 (Link to this contribution) 32A: After Clause 33, insert the following new Clause— ““Criminal injuries compensation For the purp...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1395-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support the amendment. I had the privilege many years ago of being responsible ...
Baroness Hollins | 733 c1394-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in speaking to the two amendments in this group, I want to mention a personal interest in ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1396 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness has brought an important point to our attention. I have only two questi...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1390 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that it is unusual for the noble Lord to put such a matter. I certainly am content ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1389 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, my Lords. We aspire to do nothing but stay within the rules. We would not dream of treading ...
Lord De Mauley | 733 c1390 (Link to this contribution) That further consideration on Report be now adjourned
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1388-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. I thought we were going to have a quicker canter throu...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1389 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that we are in a cordial mood and we have reached a magical moment as far as noble ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1392 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Donaghy has made a very strong case, and I look forward to the Minist...
Baroness Donaghy | 733 c1390-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment was in the first grouping on the first day of Report, when we were all brigh...
Baroness Donaghy | 733 c1390 (Link to this contribution) 32: Schedule 1, page 111, line 20, at end insert ““, where the Secretary of State has reason to beli...
Lord De Mauley | 733 c1390 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw my Motion to adjourn further consideration on Report. Motion withdrawn. Sc...
Lord Freud | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) I think I can safely say that we are not saying that. We are just saying that we want real proof of ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Lord perhaps move from the Old Testament to the New Testament?
Lord Freud | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) I thought it was the New Testament. It is definitely a New Testament matter. I am shocked that the n...
Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but is he saying that the department is unable to measure comp...
Lord Freud | 733 c1388 (Link to this contribution) Can I leave it like this, without giving a hard commitment right now, on my feet? When we get to the...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) That was the issue in Committee. Does it have to be raised by the claimant?
Lord Freud | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) I am utterly shocked. Let me keep going; the hour is late and I am forgetting what I am talking abou...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1388 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. What I am looking for is an assurance that, in regulations, the...
Lord Freud | 733 c1387 (Link to this contribution) When I say ““by the claimant””, it can be done on behalf of the claimant by someone else. There is a...
Baroness Drake | 733 c1369-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendments 23A and 24A in this group. Amendment 23A requires the Government to have...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 733 c1390 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we were happy to try and continue a bit further to reach the target amendment. My noble fr...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 733 c1327 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that this is becoming an aficionado’s debate, and obviously we have to make sure th...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 733 c1326 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to press this, but I understood that when the noble Lord, Lord Best, moved his ...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c1323-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendment 17, to which I added my name. As always, the noble Baroness, Lady Holl...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 733 c1386 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to speak very briefly to Amendment 36, which is in this group. This relates, ...
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