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Welfare Reform Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 75-EN also published.
Thursday, 16 June 2011
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Seventeenth report on: Armed Forces Bill; Welfare Reform Bill; Scotland Bill; Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill - Government response. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 732 c307GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt but before a debate begins the amendment needs to be proposed.

Baroness Wilkins | 732 c277GC (Link to this contribution) I asked about the cost of reassessing people with conditions that will not improve or where there wi...

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Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 732 c288-9GC (Link to this contribution) I will speak also to Amendment 86AB in my name and that of the noble Countess, Lady Mar, who sends h...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 732 c295-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I hate the term ““alignment””. I worried about it enormously when...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 732 c311GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope the Committee will forgive me for coming in at this stage. Earlier today, Carers UK...

Baroness Hollins | 732 c308-9GC (Link to this contribution) 86E: After Clause 83, insert the following new Clause— ““Carer’s allowance In section 70 of the Soci...

Baroness Hollins | 732 c309-10GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to seek clarity from the Government about future eligibil...

Lord Freud | 732 c310GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might again interpose slightly out of order in the interests of clarity. I am gr...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c310-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the Minister for being fractionally late and therefore missing his statemen...

Lord Freud | 732 c307GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry for the delay. I was trying to work out whether we were sympathetic or very sym...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c307-8GC (Link to this contribution) This is a rather odd process where we have the answers before the proposition; perhaps we should mov...

Lord Freud | 732 c308GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a leading question, as I have learnt to appreciate from the noble Lord, Lord McKen...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c308GC (Link to this contribution) In which case, I am doubly grateful for the Minister’s response. I think that was clear in relation ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c307GC (Link to this contribution) In which case, I beg to move Amendment 86DD.

Baroness Hollins | 732 c314GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that the Minister is genuinely concerned about carers and I take some comfort from ...

Lord De Mauley | 732 c314GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suggest this a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Monday at 3.30 pm.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c313-4GC (Link to this contribution) I should be very tolerant of the Minister if he had answered the question. However, my question was ...

Lord Freud | 732 c314GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I have tried to explain, we will introduce PIP from the bottom up. We will try to find ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c313GC (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister accept the point that my noble friend made very fully, that we cannot do it that w...

Lord Freud | 732 c313GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I feel slightly as though I have trapped myself, and I will explain exactly why. I spent a...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 732 c311-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I start by thanking, I think, the Minister for his very helpful responses on three months ...

Lord Freud | 732 c313GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as always, the questioning is pinpoint in its precision to rip open any veils that I may b...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c301GC (Link to this contribution) Would it be the Treasury?

Lord Freud | 732 c301-2GC (Link to this contribution) No, no, no. The Treasury is not a disability organisation, let me assure you. Those who know the Tre...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 732 c302GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has certainly been a very interesting series of questions—and some answers—with differe...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c302GC (Link to this contribution) 86DZA: Clause 81, page 58, line 32, at end insert ““other than by virtue of an award made before the...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c302-4GC (Link to this contribution) I beg to move Amendment 86DZA standing in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Wilkins. The noble Ba...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c304GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can be brief on this. The noble Baroness has covered pretty much every point that I had ...

Lord Freud | 732 c301GC (Link to this contribution) Let me go on a little further and try to pull this issue back. Noble Lords have said that, in practi...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c301GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting the noble Lord. I am sure that the Committee is extremely pleased to he...

Lord Freud | 732 c301GC (Link to this contribution) I have slight jitters about that level of transparency, apparently.

Lord Freud | 732 c306GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord agrees, it might be valuable if I make clear where we stand on this issue. We have...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c307GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that statement; I take a degree of comfort from it. It is a pity t...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c306GC (Link to this contribution) 86DD: Clause 83, page 59, line 20, leave out ““meets the condition in subsection (2)”” and insert ““...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c306GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to give way to the Minister, who I think wants to say something.

Lord Freud | 732 c305GC (Link to this contribution) Clearly, that will be one of the issues we will need to take into account when we sit down to establ...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c306GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his comments, especially around what happens when those currently...

Lord Freud | 732 c304-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have made a number of commitments in relation to people aged 65 and over. Noble Lords m...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c305GC (Link to this contribution) In that case, how does the Minister establish any smooth movement on to attendance allowance, given ...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c287GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that proves my point about the confusion over this issue. This has been an extreme...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 732 c287GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it might be appropriate to have a break at this moment, so I suggest that the Committee ad...

Lord Freud | 732 c286GC (Link to this contribution) This is the Catch-22 that a number of noble Lords have pointed out today and in the past, whereby de...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c286GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that the noble Lord has helped me with my conundrum. Is it not the case that the asse...

Lord Freud | 732 c287GC (Link to this contribution) Clearly, one has to be absolutely sympathetic to this point. As we all know, levels of equipment can...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c286-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I might interject, one of the issues is the cost of aids and equipment. You can buy a f...

Lord Freud | 732 c284-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I owe my noble friend Lady Thomas an apology and a clarification. I incorrectly attributed...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is with a degree of trepidation that I rise to speak, having just heard those contribut...

Lord Freud | 732 c285-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a matter to be revealed at a somewhat later date. I am pleased to have provided a ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c285GC (Link to this contribution) How many points do you need altogether if one produces 10 and the other produces 12?

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 732 c299GC (Link to this contribution) If the Minister is going to write, would he also look at explaining how many of those are dependent ...

Lord Freud | 732 c299GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, among the elements available in the shorter term are healthcare, travel costs, free prescr...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 732 c299GC (Link to this contribution) Picking up the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, perhaps my noble friend could also ind...

Lord Freud | 732 c299GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I write I will try to do a full breakdown of what is available.

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 732 c300GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the Minister again. Does he agree that one of the thrusts of modern health c...

Lord Freud | 732 c299-300GC (Link to this contribution) I will do that. However, it would be preferable to look at that issue in the context of the benefit ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 732 c300GC (Link to this contribution) In that case, perhaps I may ask another question. If this is not what it is for, we need to understa...

Lord Freud | 732 c300GC (Link to this contribution) I am trying to make the point that it is the responsibility of the NHS to deal with rehabilitation a...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c299GC (Link to this contribution) Can the noble Lord give us examples of that? Like others, I have nursed people through cancer—three ...

Lord Freud | 732 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank noble Lords for tabling these amendments and welcome the opportunity to respond on...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c296-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a powerful set of contributions on the amendments. I hope that the Minister wi...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 732 c292-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a very important debate. I support the idea of keeping the qualifying period for P...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c290-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment that was powerfully moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Howe. I shal...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 732 c289GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if Amendment 86ZC is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 86A by reason of pre-emption.

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c295GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments which seek to revert to the existing qualifying period of three m...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c294-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas of Winchester, in amendment 86A, and I believe s...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 732 c288GC (Link to this contribution) 86ZC: Clause 79, page 57, line 26, leave out ““every time in the previous 6”” and insert ““the major...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c257GC (Link to this contribution) Lucky man.

Lord Low of Dalston | 732 c257GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have put my name to Amendment 86ZB in this group. These amendments, which would dispense...

Lord Low of Dalston | 732 c257GC (Link to this contribution) I particularly support the idea of a trial period before incurring huge public expenditure in reasse...

Lord Freud | 732 c255GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may intervene briefly, I promised on Monday to provide some timetabling indicators of...

Lord Wigley | 732 c255-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I was saying before I was interrupted a couple of days ago, these amendments touch on a...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c255GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that statement. It is very helpful in being able to schedule and make progr...

Baroness Browning | 732 c269-70GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first opportunity I have had to contribute to the Committee. I declare my inte...

Lord Touhig | 732 c268-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like many noble Lords I am a great fan of pre-legislative scrutiny, because I think it imp...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 732 c271GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this suggestion, which would solve an awful lot of problems. It would clearly gi...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 732 c270-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not spoken much in Committee on these issues but, very briefly and in support of wh...

Earl of Listowel | 732 c271GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. Does the Minister think that it might be worth while if he made a...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c265GC (Link to this contribution) That will be helpful.

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c265GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions on this group of amendments and the Minist...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 732 c265-6GC (Link to this contribution) 86ZZZV: Clause 78, page 57, line 2, at end insert— ““( ) must provide for a minimum one year trial p...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 732 c266-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment seeks to enhance disabled people’s confidence in the new testing system and ...

Baroness Wilkins | 732 c268GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the risk of replaying the record, this is an important amendment because it would go a ...

Lord Low of Dalston | 732 c264GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister concludes, I am sorry if I was not paying attention, but I did not hear him resp...

Lord Wigley | 732 c264GC (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister sits down, he mentioned the possibility of developing in conjunction with the Na...

Lord Freud | 732 c260-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to start by responding to the noble Baroness, Lady Grey-Thompson, on her Amen...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c259-60GC (Link to this contribution) My Lord, this is an important group of amendments which addresses aspects of the assessment process....

Lord Freud | 732 c264-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, taking those questions in the order that I fancy, let me start with the noble Lord, Lord L...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c264GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister also respond to my question, when I asked whether the sentence: "““Decision Makers...

Bishop of Blackburn | 732 c258-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak broadly in favour of this group of amendments, which address the fact that the ass...

Earl of Listowel | 732 c259GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to speak because I was not present at the previous part of this debate. However...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c257-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I strongly support this amendment and perhaps I might read it out, because it is a long ti...

Lord Touhig | 732 c258GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have already spoken in this debate but I ask the Committee’s indulgence to make one othe...

Earl of Listowel | 732 c272-3GC (Link to this contribution) I suspected it might not be. For people with fluctuating conditions, where there is a likelihood of ...

Lord Freud | 732 c271-2GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, for not responding to that point previously and I inte...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 732 c273GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to speak briefly in support of the hobby horse of the noble Baroness, Lady Campbell...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c273GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Campbell of Surbiton, and this amendment is also in my ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c274-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a compelling case has been made for a trial period before the system goes live in its full...

Baroness O'Loan | 732 c273-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to the Committee that I was unable to be here at the beginning of the proceedi...

Lord Freud | 732 c275-7GC (Link to this contribution) Let me take each of the noble Baroness’s amendments in turn. On the trialling of the assessment, I a...

Lord Freud | 732 c277-8GC (Link to this contribution) My point is that we will try to minimise those costs by not having reassessments in those circumstan...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 732 c278GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can I make one proposal to the Minister? He may not feel able to accept this amendment—alt...

Lord Freud | 732 c279GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very sympathetic to the thrust of the noble Lord’s point. Noble Lords will be aware t...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 732 c278-9GC (Link to this contribution) I wonder if the Minister just could deal with this point also. In his response he explained—and I th...

Lord Freud | 732 c278GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very happy to reflect on that rather interesting point. I will go back and think abou...

Baroness Wilkins | 732 c282GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. The range of people who will need aids and adaptations is enormo...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c280-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as we all know, at last we have the second draft of the PIP criteria, with the responses t...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 732 c280GC (Link to this contribution) 86ZZZW: Clause 78, page 57, line 2, at end insert— ““(d) must disregard aids and adaptations used by...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 732 c279-80GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his response. There is a lot in it, so I will deal with each part in turn. ...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 732 c282-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas of Winchester. When I first looked at this ...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 732 c282GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am also extremely supportive of this amendment. It is a government misuse of the social ...

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