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Welfare Reform Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 75-EN also published.
Thursday, 16 June 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Seventeenth report on: Armed Forces Bill; Welfare Reform Bill; Scotland Bill; Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill - Government response. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 731 c180GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister's very full reply on that. He clearly anticipated the question coming...

Lord Wigley | 731 c190GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise very much to the Committee that my five-hour journey from Wales took six hours and that ...

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Lord Boswell of Aynho | 731 c193GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord might like to know that when I applied online for my state pension, I got a very rapi...

Lord Freud | 731 c201GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am absolutely aware of that. The Major Projects Authority is looking at the process, and comi...

Baroness Sherlock | 731 c199-200GC (Link to this contribution) I want to intervene briefly to ask the Minister a couple of specific questions. There is very little...

Earl of Listowel | 731 c204-5GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord McKenzie of Luton, and the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter of Kentish Town, have pu...

Earl of Listowel | 731 c204GC (Link to this contribution) 51CAA: Clause 13, page 6, line 8, at end insert— ““(1A) The Secretary of State shall, when imposing ...

Lord Freud | 731 c213GC (Link to this contribution) There are quite a few moving parts to this. I have talked about the WFHRAs reviewing that and there ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c212GC (Link to this contribution) I understand and I thank the Minister for that. You will see the point that I am trying to understan...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 731 c221GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baronesses, Lady Hollins and Lady Meacher, spoke most movingly about people with...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 731 c216GC (Link to this contribution) And she was found fit for work?

Lord Wigley | 731 c226GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. Would the system that he is describing take on board the fact that the claimant ...

Baroness Greengross | 731 c173GC (Link to this contribution) 50A: Clause 12, page 5, line 38, at end insert— ““( ) the fact that a claimant has reached the quali...

Earl of Listowel | 731 c214GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister and beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 51CAA withdrawn. Amendment...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c213GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have probably taken this as far as we can this afternoon. I would certainly like to rea...

Lord Freud | 731 c214GC (Link to this contribution) To save the department writing a letter, I actually think that ““creaming and parking”” is not despe...

Earl of Listowel | 731 c213-4GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie of Luton, for his support and the Minister for his helpful rep...

Lord Freud | 731 c212GC (Link to this contribution) The medical information in the WCA is sensitive and personal, which is gathered at an assessment. It...

Lord Freud | 731 c213GC (Link to this contribution) Let me clarify what information goes over. The former WCA is confidential and does not go over. How ...

Baroness Meacher | 731 c213GC (Link to this contribution) I very strongly support the comments of the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, because it seems to me that w...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c212GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that we are going to agree on this issue. But one is not arguing for rigidity: one is...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 731 c222GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a few words to add to those of the noble Baroness, Lady Thomas, about people in man...

Earl of Listowel | 731 c221-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am prompted to ask the Minister a couple of questions as a result of what has been said....

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 731 c220-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is very difficult to add anything to the most eloquent remarks of the noble Baroness, L...

Lord Wigley | 731 c220GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene very briefly in support of the amendments spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lad...

Baroness Meacher | 731 c217-20GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak briefly in support of Amendments 51CD, 51CE and 51FA and the related amend...

Baroness Hollins | 731 c216-7GC (Link to this contribution) Yes—she did not score any points. I would like to mention a small, recent study done by Citizens Adv...

Baroness Hollins | 731 c214-6GC (Link to this contribution) What I am going to talk about is very relevant to the discussion that has just taken place. I shall ...

Baroness Hollins | 731 c214GC (Link to this contribution) 51CD: Clause 14, page 6, line 33, at end insert ““, and ““(d) if the claimant has a long term health...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 731 c222-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we support this group of amendments, which seeks to ensure that a person's long-term healt...

Earl of Listowel | 731 c224GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise. I should have put a couple of questions to the Minister. How will care leaver...

Lord Freud | 731 c224-6GC (Link to this contribution) Before I start on the amendment formally, it is worth making it crystal clear that the structure of ...

Lord Freud | 731 c226-7GC (Link to this contribution) As I said in the previous debate, taking on board advice from a claimant's own medical practitioner ...

Baroness Wilkins | 731 c227GC (Link to this contribution) I totally take the fact that the Minister is setting out a system in which claimants should be confi...

Lord Freud | 731 c227-8GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness, Lady Wilkins, makes a point, which we have actually discussed in the Chamber in ...

Baroness Hollins | 731 c228GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response, particularly for saying that he is going t...

Lord Freud | 731 c178-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 50A and 53 concern couples where one member is above qualifying age for pension...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c177-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support each of these amendments. Perhaps I could start with a reply that was given by M...

Lord Freud | 731 c179-80GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, I can confirm to the noble Lord that that is absolutely what is happening here. Clearly, we hav...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 731 c179GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. In other words, as the age of eligibility for a state pension increas...

Lord Freud | 731 c179GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not often baffled, but by ““working age”” I mean someone below the state pension age,...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 731 c179GC (Link to this contribution) As usual I am not up to speed on everything. Could the noble Lord say exactly what he means in this ...

Lord Freud | 731 c181GC (Link to this contribution) I think that I am safe in confirming to the noble Lord that we are bringing in capital limits. They ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c180GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister follow up on two points? First, in a situation where the Secretary of State cannot...

Lord Freud | 731 c180GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think I can give a precise time on this because there are quite a lot of moving p...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c181GC (Link to this contribution) I accept that point entirely. But under those circumstances why should the option not be available t...

Baroness Greengross | 731 c181GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for responding. Obviously, I am disappointed because I think that it would work...

Lord Freud | 731 c181GC (Link to this contribution) That is the nub of the change. When we looked at it, we thought that the appropriate policy was to p...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 731 c181GC (Link to this contribution) While the Minister is consulting—because he spoke about the additions and so on—it would be very hel...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c181GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may come back on a point with the Minister to make sure that I understood an answer to an ...

Baroness Greengross | 731 c182GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for the fact that I am about to chair a meeting on health and rather rudely ha...

Lord Freud | 731 c182GC (Link to this contribution) I am happy to send a letter around. We should deal with capital limits in its entirety when we come ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 731 c182-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 51C. These amendments seek to ensure that free school meal...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 731 c182GC (Link to this contribution) 51B: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— ““School meals (1) The amount in respect of o...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 731 c184-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall respond briefly to the helpful introduction from the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter o...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 731 c190GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, having learnt last week that the Minister is not a bad man, this week we learn that spring...

Lord Freud | 731 c190GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. I thank the noble Lord for that question. I have specifically asked the SSAC to cover off the p...

Lord Freud | 731 c188-90GC (Link to this contribution) These amendments would provide a cash amount for school meals and health costs within the universal ...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 731 c188GC (Link to this contribution) A long time ago, during the last welfare reform Bill, when the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, was the Mi...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 731 c188GC (Link to this contribution) I have a quick point to make in support of the very strong case made by my noble friends Lady Sherlo...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c187-8GC (Link to this contribution) I want to comment briefly on this. I say ““briefly”” because I have the next amendment, there is mor...

Baroness Sherlock | 731 c185-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the aims of this amendment, which are primarily about protecting certain k...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c190-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, forgive me for taking a little time in introducing this amendment. It seeks to address del...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c190GC (Link to this contribution) 51CA: After Clause 12, insert the following new Clause— ““Secretary of State obligations Before the ...

Baroness Sherlock | 731 c201GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. At the outset, obviously that kind of assurance will give confidence ...

Lord Freud | 731 c200-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I respond to the amendment, I want to deal with the issues about what universal cre...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c201GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. Can he tell us when those reviews will be published and whether they ...

Lord German | 731 c195-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Knight, for his self-declaration. He is an enthusiast for IT ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c193-5GC (Link to this contribution) Certainly, it is important that individuals such as the noble Lord can apply successfully for their ...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 731 c197-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Knight of Weymouth, will not take it as an insult—I assur...

Lord Freud | 731 c201-2GC (Link to this contribution) The responsibility for those reviews is with the Cabinet Office. It is slightly hazy—I think that is...

Baroness Sherlock | 731 c202GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I would like the Minister's help in understanding which £2 billion the Public Accoun...

Lord Freud | 731 c202-3GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is the £2 billion of the implementation. The £628 million was within the £1.5 billion figu...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 731 c205GC (Link to this contribution) We have now had 14 minutes. The Committee should reconvene.

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 731 c203GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in my view we have a useful debate and I hope that others agree. Some helpful and importan...

Baroness Meacher | 731 c207-8GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendments 51CB, 51CC, 71C and 71D on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale...

Lord Freud | 731 c208-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the form and content of the claimant commitment is of the utmost importance and we are wor...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c205GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have added our name to the noble Earl's amendment and have Amendments 51CAC, 51CCA and ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c205-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I was saying, these amendments relate to Clauses 13, 14 and 22, the introduction of wor...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 731 c210GC (Link to this contribution) Does that mean that with the sharing of this insight, the Minister will therefore look more favourab...

Lord Freud | 731 c209-10GC (Link to this contribution) Yes. There are two or three issues wrapped up in that seemingly simple question around whether we go...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 731 c209GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for the explanation he is giving. But in that context, while these d...

Lord Freud | 731 c210GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much remember the debates we had last week. I am thinking very deeply about some of...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c210GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I shall follow up on one or two points. I asked him if he would ...

Lord Freud | 731 c210-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry. I realise I did not answer that question fully. It is quite complicated, and it is proba...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c211GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I revert to issues around the black box or the equivalent period befo...

Lord Freud | 731 c211GC (Link to this contribution) There is a genuine difference of approach with the work programme. I know that we agree that what we...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 731 c211GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that we are apart on that issue. I am not arguing for six constraints to be placed on...

Lord Freud | 731 c211-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is a simple answer to that. You start off on a journey thinking that there are eight...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 731 c176-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I just ask a question of the Minister in support of the amendment? As I understand it,...

Baroness Greengross | 731 c173-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unsurprisingly, this is primarily about people who have reached, or have nearly reached, r...

Baroness Drake | 731 c174-6GC (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment 50A. I am very concerned about the implications of the change of the rules on pe...

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