Parliamentary search - Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill

Type

Parliamentary proceeding

Reference

729 c11-29, c40-89, c100-16

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 16 June 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Deposited Paper DEP2011-1223
Wednesday, 13 July 2011
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 729 c15 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can the Leader of the House advise me? I wish to vote in support of my noble friend’s amen...

Lord Strathclyde | 729 c14 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Richard, and indeed to the Lord Speaker. It is...

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Lord Richard | 729 c14 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Leader of the House could help me. From the muttering around the House, it would seem th...

Baroness Hayman | 729 c14 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may be of assistance to the House. At the moment, no other Motion is before the House and ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c15 (Link to this contribution) I will take that advice. Amendment 15A not moved. Amendment 16 Moved by

Lord Strathclyde | 729 c15 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would have no objection so long as the amendment at Third Reading were written according...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c15 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope I have been of service to the House in identifying a lacuna in the Standing Orders....

Lord Strathclyde | 729 c15 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the proper advice I would give the noble Baroness, who I know is a stickler for such thing...

Lord Strathclyde | 729 c11-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, has the opportunity to move his manuscript...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c11 (Link to this contribution) 15A: Clause 4, page 3, at beginning insert ““Subject to section 159(2A)””

Lord Strathclyde | 729 c13 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that there is any quarrel about whether or not these issues can be debated....

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c12-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if it is in order, I would like to respond to what the Leader of the House has said. It is...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c13-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord the Leader of the House for that further clarification. I am gratefu...

Lord Strathclyde | 729 c14 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord continues, there is no point in having this debate on whether the amendment is...

Lord Beecham | 729 c26 (Link to this contribution) We are indeed. We are also talking about how the commissioner makes those significant strategic deci...

Baroness Browning | 729 c26 (Link to this contribution) I say for the sake of clarification that I would not in any way expect the police not to have contac...

Lord Beecham | 729 c26 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, tempted as I am, I shall not withdraw the kind remarks that I made about the noble Barones...

Baroness Browning | 729 c25-6 (Link to this contribution) I would hope that elected mayors would be represented on the panel. I see no reason why they should ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c25 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, can we come back to the place of Birmingham, which I know is dear to your Lordships’ heart...

Baroness Browning | 729 c24-5 (Link to this contribution) The amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, provide for local authorities to have the sam...

Baroness Henig | 729 c24 (Link to this contribution) I apologise. I am so relieved. I was desperately looking through my notes to see if there had been a...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c24 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 47 is not in this group.

Baroness Henig | 729 c24 (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment 47 in this group. I will be very brief. This is about partnership arrangements and ...

Lord Beecham | 729 c23 (Link to this contribution) 34A: Clause 6, page 5, line 23, at end insert ““and to the relevant local authorities in the police ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c22-3 (Link to this contribution) 33: Schedule 4, page 114, line 21, after ““not)”” insert ““, but only with the consent of the Mayor’...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c23-4 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend inferred, we are debating the Localism Bill through which the Government wish to ...

Lord Beecham | 729 c23 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments seeks simply to ensure that local authorities are consulted by th...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c22 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take this opportunity to put on record my thanks to the Bill team. I raised a number of ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c21-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of government amendments essentially corrects some drafting oversights and erro...

Lord Rosser | 729 c22 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has indicated, these are relatively minor and technical amendments that correct some...

Baroness Browning | 729 c20 (Link to this contribution) 23: Schedule 3, page 111, line 21, leave out sub-paragraph (a)

Lord Soley | 729 c24 (Link to this contribution) This issue is an important one and relates back to what I have said before on crime prevention. It t...

Baroness Browning | 729 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) I have not addressed that question before. I will come back to the noble Baroness. I am probably doi...

Baroness Henig | 729 c51 (Link to this contribution) If a commissioner decided that he or she wanted members of the panel to sit on the panel, could that...

Baroness Browning | 729 c49-51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before I deal with these amendments, I would like to clarify the Government’s position on ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c52-4 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I am very happy to do that. I had rather thought that the noble Lord was seeking to strengthen ...

Lord Beecham | 729 c52 (Link to this contribution) I have just looked up the clause to which the noble Baroness refers—Clause 11 on co-operative workin...

Lord Soley | 729 c47-8 (Link to this contribution) I also support this amendment, very strongly so. It follows a number of things that I have argued on...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c46-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know why I did not put my name to the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Henig...

Lord Beecham | 729 c44 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, pursuing my usual course of local government recidivism, I will comment briefly on Amendme...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c43 (Link to this contribution) I am very interested in the noble Baroness’s comments on local authorities, but would they not apply...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c42-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group but I will first comment on the Government’s a...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c44 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was merely trying to liven up the debate.

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c44 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord is teasing me about a previous amendment, he can probably read my answer in the fa...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c44 (Link to this contribution) Far from it. I was just trying to follow in the noble Baroness’s footsteps with lively engagement.

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c44 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry if I am boring the noble Lord.

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c44 (Link to this contribution) Let us go on to the Local Government Association. That seems to follow, as Amendment 239A would add ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I now move on to the next group of amendments. I am sorry, I think I have the wrong notes ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c41 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is quite right. I apologise. Perhaps noble Lords will allow me a second or two to fin...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are on the group starting with government Amendment 35. It would be helpful if the nobl...

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 729 c16 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, please leave the Chamber quietly. The noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, has waited a lo...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c16-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I waited a long time to move the previous amendment rather than this one. I had anticipate...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c15 (Link to this contribution) 16: Clause 4, page 3, line 17, leave out subsections (3) and (4) and insert— ““(3) There is to be a ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c15-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, fractionally earlier than I had anticipated, I move Amendment 16, which is in my name. It ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c19 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for the way in which she has responded and for reitera...

Baroness Browning | 729 c20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when we discussed this in Committee, we established that the City of London and the force ...

Lord Rosser | 729 c17-8 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend Lord Harris of Haringey has said, this group of amendments provides for a deputy ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c18-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, would prevent the ma...

Baroness Browning | 729 c20 (Link to this contribution) 17: Clause 4, page 4, line 15, at end insert— ““(h) the exercise of duties in relation to the safegu...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c20 (Link to this contribution) That indeed is the case. That is why I was almost incredulous that the Government believed that it w...

Baroness Browning | 729 c88 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for interrupting. The noble Baroness is quite right. If I may interpose a few words here...

Baroness Henig | 729 c88 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister sincerely for that lengthy response. I tried to follow it fully, but inevitably...

Baroness Browning | 729 c84-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have quite a long list of amendments in this grouping, including some government amendm...

Lord Shipley | 729 c83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be very brief. This is an extremely important group of amendments. As noble Lords ...

Lord Dear | 729 c80-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, two amendments in this group, Amendments 189A and 192CA, stand in my name. One refers to t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c79-80 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am conscious of the hour and the fact that our Benches are filled to hear this debate, b...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c79 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak in support of the amendments, to some of which my name is added, which deal with d...

Baroness Henig | 729 c74-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 187, 188, 194 and 195 to 197 in this group. They all rela...

Baroness Henig | 729 c73 (Link to this contribution) 69: Clause 19, page 14, line 36, leave out paragraph (e) and insert— ““(e) except as provided in sec...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 729 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I could not resist the cigarette paper. I have been listening very carefully to the noble ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c61 (Link to this contribution) I take seriously what the noble Baroness says about chief officers. I appreciate the seriousness of ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c62 (Link to this contribution) We have a situation in London where, although I said earlier that there is a difference between Lond...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c59 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister. I hope that she is not relying on a brief from the Home Office which ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have been round this circuit quite a few times. The difference is that the mayor, unlik...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c62 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to prolong this, but that is exactly the situation that already exists regarding the t...

Baroness Browning | 729 c62 (Link to this contribution) I realise that the mayor will have said things about transport, I appreciate that, but the mandate t...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c62 (Link to this contribution) You could say exactly the same about congestion in London. The mayor has stood on a manifesto that s...

Baroness Browning | 729 c62-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have to remain illogical to the noble Lord. I can think of nothing else to say to him no...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an important group of amendments on which a number of issues are raised. The amend...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it seems to me that the noble Baronesses, Lady Doocey and Lady Hamwee, have raised some im...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c55-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendments 166, 167 and 179 in this group. The first two would allow the London Ass...

Baroness Doocey | 729 c54 (Link to this contribution) 39: Clause 7, page 6, line 40, at end insert— ““( ) if the draft plan or variation is referred back ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c59 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I assure the House that there is absolutely no question that the Home Office is not part o...

Baroness Browning | 729 c58 (Link to this contribution) I am halfway through the sentence; perhaps I may finish it. At the heart of the Bill is an ability t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c58-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are two issues here. One is London and what happens there and the other is the impac...

Baroness Browning | 729 c58 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to deal with one or two points that have just been raised before I touch in m...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c58 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister give way?

Baroness Browning | 729 c73 (Link to this contribution) 66: Clause 19, page 14, line 25, at end insert— ““(ca) the Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime appoi...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c66-8 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 51, I will also speak to my Amendments 52, 54, 142 and 143, with which it is gro...

Baroness Henig | 729 c68-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have tabled Amendment 141 in this group, which would provide that outside London the pan...

Lord De Mauley | 729 c69-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as you will see in the government amendments in the group, which I shall come to in a mome...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the panel cannot require the chief constable to come before it, inevitably the police a...

Lord De Mauley | 729 c70 (Link to this contribution) I see the noble Lord’s point. He is right to point out that there is a compromise in that concession...

Baroness Henig | 729 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) I understand that perfectly but it is not what I am trying to do. I want to enable the panel, in exe...

Lord De Mauley | 729 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may come back to that point and, for the moment, move on. Amendment 143 would m...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c72 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have learnt one new thing today: the use of the term triangulation. I feel that any resp...

Lord De Mauley | 729 c72-3 (Link to this contribution) 60: Clause 19, page 14, line 16, at end insert— ““(A1) The police and crime commissioner for a polic...

Lord De Mauley | 729 c73 (Link to this contribution) 62: Clause 19, page 14, line 17, after ““person”” insert ““(who is not the deputy police and crime c...

Baroness Browning | 729 c65 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that there is absolutely no change. There is no reason why they cannot ask th...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c65 (Link to this contribution) Will they be answered?

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c65 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, I am aware that this is Report stage although it has not always be...

Baroness Browning | 729 c66 (Link to this contribution) 41: Clause 7, page 7, line 28, at end insert— ““( ) In its application by virtue of subsection (11)(...

Baroness Browning | 729 c66 (Link to this contribution) 43: Clause 11, page 10, line 1, at end insert— ““( ) The elected local policing body for a police ar...

Baroness Browning | 729 c65 (Link to this contribution) I assume that if a question is asked and somebody has the answer they would have the courtesy to giv...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c66 (Link to this contribution) 51: Clause 12, page 11, line 4, after ““necessary”” insert ““or which are required by the relevant p...

Baroness Browning | 729 c66 (Link to this contribution) 48: Clause 11, page 10, line 11, leave out ““reference in subsection (1)”” and insert ““references i...

Baroness Browning | 729 c66 (Link to this contribution) 50: Clause 11, page 10, line 37, at end insert— ““““relevant priority””, in relation to a responsibl...

Lord Beecham | 729 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) I am given to understand by my noble friend Lord Hunt that I am not required to speak for more than ...

Baroness Hamwee | 729 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) That was only four minutes—it really is not good enough. As the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, said, the ...

Baroness Henig | 729 c106-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 108 and 111 in this group. As my noble friend Lord Beecham said...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an interesting debate with slightly curious groupings. I think I should take...

Baroness Browning | 729 c110-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if I may deal with that last point first, it is certainly not meaningless. I will come lat...

Baroness Henig | 729 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for those remarks. At the end of the day we are doing all t...

Baroness Browning | 729 c113 (Link to this contribution) I do indeed and although we have not been able to agree on everything, I have appreciated the constr...

Lord Beecham | 729 c113-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as regards the final point, I can only agree with my noble friend Lord Hunt. Amendment 107...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c103 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her response, and I of course thank my noble friend Lord Ro...

Baroness Browning | 729 c103 (Link to this contribution) 82: Clause 20, page 15, line 20, leave out from ““(2)”” to end of line 23 and insert ““(1)(b), exerc...

Lord Rosser | 729 c101 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments includes provision for ensuring that the mayor appoints a Member ...

Baroness Browning | 729 c101-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will first address government Amendments 89 and 90 in this group. The Government have gi...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c100 (Link to this contribution) 74: Clause 20, page 15, line 3, leave out ““a person”” and insert ““an elected member of the Greater...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the first opportunity I have had to congratulate my noble friend on her appointmen...

Baroness Henig | 729 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. My emphasis is on public perception. As I said when I moved this amendment, it...

Lord Beecham | 729 c104 (Link to this contribution) 92: Schedule 5, page 115, line 23, at end insert— ““( ) A precept must be issued separately from a l...

Baroness Browning | 729 c103-4 (Link to this contribution) 89: Clause 21, page 16, line 33, after ““etc)”” insert ““— (a) ”” 90: Clause 21, page 16, line 44,...

Baroness Browning | 729 c103 (Link to this contribution) 86: Clause 20, page 15, line 29, at end insert— ““(f) a member of the staff of a person falling with...

Baroness Browning | 729 c40 (Link to this contribution) 35: Clause 6, page 6, line 5, after ““constable”” insert ““and to each of the other persons and bodi...

Baroness Browning | 729 c22 (Link to this contribution) 29: Schedule 4, page 113, line 40, at end insert— ““(1) The Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis...

Baroness Henig | 729 c44-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 47 in this group. I apologise that I was premature in attempting...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 729 c61 (Link to this contribution) The Minister may have misunderstood what I was saying on a point that I made earlier on. It is not t...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 729 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) I speak briefly in support of Amendments 108 and 111 tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Henig. I mus...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 729 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Soley has put his finger on it in supporting my noble friends Lady He...

Baroness Doocey | 729 c54-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to my other amendments in this group. The purpose of Amendments 39, 168...

Baroness Doocey | 729 c65 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome government Amendment 172. I am very happy with that and will withdraw my Amendme...

Notes

Amendment 15A to Clause 4: Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime, not moved on advice from Public Bill Office

Subjects

Children

Accountability

Crime

City of London

Council tax

Finance

Governing bodies

Eligibility

Greater London