Parliamentary search - Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill

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727 c1405-44, c1459-82

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2010-12

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Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 62-EN also published.
Friday, 1 April 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with formal minutes and evidence.
Tuesday, 3 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Constitution Select Committee (HL) fourteenth report on Part 1 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill.
Wednesday, 4 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Select Committee (HL). Thirteenth report on: Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill 2010-12; Wreck Removal Convention Bill 2010-12. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 4 May 2011
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1466 (Link to this contribution) Is my noble friend able to say how the Government would respond if the word ““shall”” was ““may””? P...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1459-62 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak also to Amendment 58. I begin by saying that I am grateful to the noble Lord,...

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Lord Soley | 727 c1462-3 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support my noble friend who has brought forward a thoughtful amendment. I like thi...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1459 (Link to this contribution) Clause 1 : Police and crime commissioners Amendment 24 24: Clause 1, page 2, line 32, at end inser...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1464 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, did the Committee a service before dinner in drawing our attent...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1464-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in this amendment we are pursuing the issue of police and crime commissioners. Before I go...

Lord Dear | 727 c1463 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since 1997 I have been continuously engaged as a non-executive director or a non-executive...

Lord Shipley | 727 c1463-4 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the thinking behind this amendment because throughout the passage of the Bill thro...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1466 (Link to this contribution) The Government are prepared to consider a number of matters. We are about to discuss the relationshi...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1441-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, mentioned Flanders and Swann and a song, I t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1444 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, responds to this important debate, I shall make just ...

Lord Shipley | 727 c1444 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her comments. I still have some residual concerns about the nature of the r...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1437-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, by giving us the benefit of his experience, the noble Lord, Lord Dear, has highlighted wha...

Lord Dear | 727 c1440 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord’s last remarks were a bit like the instructions that go with a piece of information t...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1440-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for taking us back by two or three speeches, but the Committee really should b...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1441 (Link to this contribution) I do not quite know what the noble Lord means about going back. Amendment 15 was not moved. We there...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1441 (Link to this contribution) I totally understand what we are doing, but the fact remains that it can be difficult to follow. The...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1441 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am aware that the noble Baroness, Lady Harris, would have difficulty in intervening, but...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 727 c1441 (Link to this contribution) Since the noble Baroness, Lady Farrington, has taken this up with me, she and I know each other very...

Lord Dear | 727 c1437 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I might help the House with a personal set of experiences gathered over five years ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1437 (Link to this contribution) As this is Committee and we are allowed to bounce up and down, can I respond to the noble Lord? He w...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1436 (Link to this contribution) I cannot anticipate what the board will decide, but I would have thought it inconceivable that anyon...

Viscount Eccles | 727 c1436 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may be right—I do not know—but I suggest, certainly in the light of how this Bill has...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Minister may help me on the salary intended to be paid to the commissioner, but my und...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1436 (Link to this contribution) It is a matter that we believe the Senior Salaries Review Board should determine.

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1434-6 (Link to this contribution) We have effectively moved back to the first group of amendments as Amendment 15 was not moved and we...

Viscount Eccles | 727 c1436 (Link to this contribution) Where does the Bill say that the commissioner has to be full time? I could not find it.

Lord Shipley | 727 c1433 (Link to this contribution) 16: Clause 1, page 2, line 5, at end insert ““, in conjunction with the chief constable””

Lord Shipley | 727 c1434 (Link to this contribution) I shall also speak to Amendment 52. Amendment 16 is very short. It has only six words and I hope I w...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1433 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Howard, on one thing. He said we should evolve and I absolutely ag...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1431 (Link to this contribution) I want briefly to add a word. We all seem to be of a mind to find a way to make the procedures work ...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have participated in a most interesting debate. I particularly thank the Min...

Lord Howard of Lympne | 727 c1432 (Link to this contribution) I seek to relieve the noble Baroness of her burden. Is not the point that the reforms put in place i...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble Lord would agree that a lesson from history is not to walk blindly backward...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1431 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness—I am sorry to prolong this—for that extremely helpful statement....

Baroness Browning | 727 c1431 (Link to this contribution) I admit openly that I am probably just as confused as the noble Lord is about the procedural matters...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1431 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful. I understand we are constrained; I am worried that we should not be even further cons...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1431 (Link to this contribution) It would probably be useful if there were further discussions in the usual channels about this. My e...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1430 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for his remarks because we are in rather uncharted and new...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1469 (Link to this contribution) 25: Clause 1, page 2, line 32, at end insert— ““( ) The police and crime commissioner must meet repr...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1471-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has raised an important point. My title in your Lordships’ House is Barone...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1469-71 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of my two amendments in this group, which are Amendments 25 and 59, is to plac...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1466 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend Lord Harris of Haringey replies, could the Minister answer the question I ask...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1469 (Link to this contribution) My clear understanding is that the chief financial officer would be responsible for producing accoun...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1466-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, for replying on behalf of the Government and telling ...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1472 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if I might follow that by bringing your Lordships back to policing as it actually happens. ...

Lord Laming | 727 c1424 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness. I accept that there is a danger of highlighting some pie...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1423-4 (Link to this contribution) I speak as a devotee of democratic election but as an equally firm opponent of the concentration of ...

Lord Boswell of Aynho | 727 c1425 (Link to this contribution) Has the noble Baroness considered what it is to reduce crime? The number of crimes committed could b...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution) I agree with that, and it is one of my concerns about the election of an individual. I would like to...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1425-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a very interesting debate. I know well the views of the noble Lord, Lord Brads...

Baroness Hamwee | 727 c1425 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that that question should be directed to me or to the noble Baroness, but the noble Lo...

Lord Laming | 727 c1429 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister most warmly for that. I gladly accept the opportunity to have a discussion.

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1429-30 (Link to this contribution) The Committee will be grateful to the Minister for the way in which she has addressed the issues rai...

Baroness Browning | 727 c1429 (Link to this contribution) I will be very pleased and willing to set up such a meeting. The amendments of the noble Lords, Lor...

Lord Laming | 727 c1421 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, continuing the debate about governance and organisational and managerial matters, it might...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 727 c1419-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I share the view expressed by many noble Lords that the noble Baroness should not proceed ...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1418-9 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid I am going to compete with the déjà vu of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile. My déjà vu goes ...

Viscount Brookeborough | 727 c1422-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments, which take us in the right direction. I do not mind whether the ...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1422 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord, Lord Imbert, recognise the contribution to that political neutrality—...

Lord Imbert | 727 c1421-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must admit that I am confused. Regrettably, I was unable to be here on 11 May for the fi...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1421 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make a point—

Viscount Eccles | 727 c1423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not the person for solutions; I presented the problem. I am coming into this debate e...

Viscount Eccles | 727 c1423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have not spoken on this Bill before and I rise now with some diffidence because I feel s...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1413-4 (Link to this contribution) I accept that point. I am not against—as I do not believe that the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, was—t...

Lord Howard of Lympne | 727 c1417 (Link to this contribution) It was the noble Lord who brought yesterday into the discussion in the first place. I did not introd...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c1417 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to turn this into a little contest between lawyers but I do not know from where my nob...

Lord Condon | 727 c1417-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare my normal interests. I agree with the aspirations of the amendment tabled by the...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1417 (Link to this contribution) I will not intrude on family grief on the government Benches, but the decision taken last week was a...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 727 c1415-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, has done the House a great service by moving this amendmen...

Lord Soley | 727 c1414-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene in what is a difficult situation for the House, as has been recognised on all ...

Lord Howard of Lympne | 727 c1416-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise only because my name was prayed in aid by the noble Lord, Lord Soley. I do not beli...

Lord Dear | 727 c1416 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Soley, talked about torpedoes and water-lines; I think that we are ta...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1413 (Link to this contribution) I want to make it clear that, in trying, as ever, to be helpful to the Government, I was saying that...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1413 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I might respond to what has just been said. The noble Lord, Lord Harris, referred t...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1411-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Committee owes an enormous debt of gratitude to the noble Baroness, Lady Henig, for ta...

Baroness Fookes | 727 c1411 (Link to this contribution) I should point out that if this amendment were to be agreed I could not then call Amendments 16 to 1...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1407-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a former chair of a policy authority, as a former chair of the As...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1407 (Link to this contribution) 15A: Clause 1, page 2, line 5, leave out subsections (6) to (8) and insert— ““(6) The police and cri...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 727 c1406-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that the whole House will welcome the presence of the Leader of the House and th...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c1405-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, all those who are interested in this Bill will be aware that, last Wednesday, a short deba...

Lord Strathclyde | 727 c1405 (Link to this contribution) That the House do now resolve itself into Committee.

Lord Soley | 727 c1475-6 (Link to this contribution) I give strong support to this group of amendments. I regard them as particularly important. The reas...

Baroness Henig | 727 c1476-7 (Link to this contribution) In supporting the amendment, I thank my noble friend for moving it. I am worried that we will be tol...

Lord Shipley | 727 c1477 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also warmly welcome these amendments, which raise an important issue. I declare my inter...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1472 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that the fear of crime in neighbourhoods is also a dimension? Th...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1473 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with that. I cite one case—that of Henley-on-Thames, which one of my noble friend...

Viscount Brookeborough | 727 c1473 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add one point about the fear of crime, which is an extraordinary thing. As has just been...

Lord Rosser | 727 c1478 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this group of amendments deals with the need for close working between the police and crim...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1478 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, does the noble Lord also agree about the importance of the two-way communication that is p...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1478-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by apologising profusely to the noble Lord, Lord Harris, because I had temporarily...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1480 (Link to this contribution) It may well be that they should and do go first to those communities, but will they go to the local ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1480 (Link to this contribution) Clearly this is a question on which we need to reflect further. As regards priorities and different ...

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 727 c1479 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord may have forgotten that there was a slight cloud when that chief constable ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1479-80 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that that is all part of the improvement in policing. The Government will reflect on this...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1481-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who contributed to this important debate. I am particular...

Lord Soley | 727 c1480 (Link to this contribution) On this point, the danger is not that commissioners will certainly say, ““I am not going to talk to ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1480 (Link to this contribution) I simply add, in response to an earlier comment by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, that in the Bill th...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1465-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am replying to the amendments but I wish to assure the House, as my noble friend Lady Br...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 727 c1466 (Link to this contribution) I apologise—I had that in my notes. We envisage this as a full-time appointment.

Baroness Browning | 727 c1427-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate. Perhaps I may begin by putting...

Lord Bradshaw | 727 c1423 (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount referred to the disorder in Newcastle. In 2003, a Licensing Bill was forced throu...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1414 (Link to this contribution) I have never suggested that we have had a trial area in London. London has essentially a completely ...

Lord Beecham | 727 c1473-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments in my name in this group. In so doing, I point out that th...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 727 c1469 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for his undertaking to come back on that, but it is not simply a que...

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Police Reform and Social Responsibility Bill 2010-12

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