Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Lords committee stage debate (fourth day). Clause 2 amendments debated. Clauses 2-3 agreed. Clause 4 amendments debated. Clause 4, as amended, agreed.
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Monday, 13 December 2010,
in the House of Lords.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
723 c402-16, c446-66, c481-514 
Session
2010-12
Legislative stage
Committee stage
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 26-EN).
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
Bills
House of Lords
Proceeding contributions
Lord Grocott | 723 c406-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not intended to intervene on this. I have two brief points. First, I know that I sha...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 723 c408 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I can be very brief, mainly because I have not so far taken any part in the issue which ha...
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Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c407-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like my noble friend Lord Grocott, I had not intended to speak in this debate but he encou...
Lord Ramsbotham | 723 c410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord remember that when we debated this issue on the Floor of the House whe...
Lord Ramsbotham | 723 c410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, yes, I believe so.
Lord Bach | 723 c410 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord. I am not likely to forget our frequent discussions about this subje...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 723 c410 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord says that he cannot support four years as being just too long from the point of view ...
Lord Bach | 723 c410 (Link to this contribution)
I have to say that the possibility of that kind of appeal clogging up an already busy system is not ...
Lord Bach | 723 c411 (Link to this contribution)
I find that question more difficult, but the period would be less than four years, rather than more....
Lord Ramsbotham | 723 c405 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, for raising this issue, which ha...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c403-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my noble friend Lord McNally, whom I have known for many years and from whom I have...
Lord McNally | 723 c403 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps there could be speed from the many people wanting to leave before the noble Lord, ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c402 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 35 standing in my name on the fourth Marshalled List of amendments...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c402 (Link to this contribution)
35: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, at end insert ““, and
(c) prisoners in jails in the United Kingdom se...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 723 c405-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not follow the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. It is difficult to see what would happen ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 723 c406 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. It is a timid one but it is the only one we have, and I will whol...
Lord McNally | 723 c411 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Anderson; I have known the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, eve...
Lord McNally | 723 c412 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot confirm it because I do not know. If the Lord Chancellor said that he must know about the t...
Lord Bach | 723 c411-2 (Link to this contribution)
As I understand it—I may be wrong—the Lord Chancellor, the right honourable Secretary of State for J...
Lord McNally | 723 c412 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very good example of why it will be necessary to have a full debate in both Houses of Parl...
Lord McNally | 723 c412 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is not a question for today. We should wait to hear the Government’s decision and the...
Lord Wills | 723 c412 (Link to this contribution)
What consideration has the Minister given to deliberative mechanisms such as citizen jurors for enga...
Lord McNally | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords, I cannot make that commitment. The legislation is specific to this referendum. When th...
Lord Pannick | 723 c412-3 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister at least give the Committee an assurance that when the Government come forward wit...
Lord Rennard | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may ask the Minister whether the Electoral Commission has been able to confirm t...
Lord McNally | 723 c414 (Link to this contribution)
Not at all, my Lords; it is called parliamentary democracy. There are enough experts on those Benche...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 723 c414 (Link to this contribution)
Is it intended that there will be a Bill in this Session of Parliament or are we talking about putti...
Lord McNally | 723 c413-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if there were a general election next January, prisoners would not get the vote even if th...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 723 c414 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps by the time the noble Lord reaches the end of his sentence, he can clarify one poi...
Lord McNally | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
If the Lord Chancellor said it, he must have been speculating.
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
Taking into account the very wise advice from the Minister’s noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of...
Lord McNally | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that there is indisputable logic in what my noble and learned friend says.
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House is entitled to be puzzled by the inability of the Minister to say whether an ann...
Lord McNally | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that my noble friend is right.
Lord McAvoy | 723 c416 (Link to this contribution)
On the question of practicality and following what the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury, said, w...
Lord McNally | 723 c415 (Link to this contribution)
I had not noticed the noble Lord come in. I was so relieved that the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savou...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c415 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at the risk of sounding immodest, I think that this has turned out to be a very worthwhile...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 723 c415 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my noble friend will allow me to clarify my position. I said that my predisposition is t...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c415 (Link to this contribution)
Exactly. I rest my case.
That brings me to my noble friend Lord Browne, who not only represented a ...
Lord McNally | 723 c414 (Link to this contribution)
I withdraw that remark as I can see how upset the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, is about my...
Lord Bach | 723 c414 (Link to this contribution)
My noble and learned friend Lord Falconer is never upset. We have agreed that, whatever time the deb...
Lord Rooker | 723 c415 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord, Lord McNally, agree that the answer to the question, ““How long is the grass?””...
Lord McNally | 723 c414 (Link to this contribution)
I have absolutely no idea. I cannot, in the Committee stage of one Bill, start committing the Govern...
Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 723 c449 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support my noble friend Lady Hayter. I came to this issue rather sceptically but c...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 723 c449-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lady Kennedy referred to instilling the habit of voting. My fear is that t...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 723 c446-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment would allow 16 and 17 year-olds to vote in the referendum due to take place...
Lord Soley | 723 c447-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise in support of my noble friend Lady Hayter. Let me begin by perhaps anticipating the...
Lord Soley | 723 c451 (Link to this contribution)
Would my noble friend bear in mind that at age 16 you can serve in the Armed Forces and you pay taxe...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 723 c451 (Link to this contribution)
That is one factor. One could say, for example, why not 17? That is the age at which one can be on t...
Lord Rooker | 723 c450 (Link to this contribution)
I should like to bring my noble friend Lord Anderson around to supporting my noble friend Lady Hayte...
Lord Anderson of Swansea | 723 c450-1 (Link to this contribution)
I look on my noble friend’s intervention with considerable respect, as I do all the matters that he ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 723 c446 (Link to this contribution)
36: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, at end insert ““, and
(c) persons who have attained the age of 16 on ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c416 (Link to this contribution)
Of course we can ensure that those in prison get all the available literature. Somebody said to me—I...
Lord Tyler | 723 c452 (Link to this contribution)
It is all very well for the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, to change the whole basis on which others on h...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c452-3 (Link to this contribution)
What an opportunity I have been given. Is the noble Lord not aware that there are already two comple...
Lord Tyler | 723 c453 (Link to this contribution)
No, it is not. That is an absurd point. I am simply talking about putting in place a major change in...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c453 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Lord sits down, the deftness of his footwork in response to my noble friend was goo...
Lord Tyler | 723 c453 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am just making a simple point. I want to change the qualification for voting in parliame...
Lord Monson | 723 c454 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, made her argument extremely well but are she and her supporters awa...
Baroness Kingsmill | 723 c454 (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendment of my noble friend Lady Hayter. My reason for this is that 16 year-olds toda...
Earl of Clancarty | 723 c451-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment. I want to say two things. The thrust of my main argument is that,...
Lord Grocott | 723 c452 (Link to this contribution)
I must caution the noble Lord, if that does not sound too presumptuous, against assuming that the Bi...
Lord Tyler | 723 c452 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in contrast to the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Swansea, I have found that young people ar...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c454-5 (Link to this contribution)
In opening the debate on active citizenship from these Benches two weeks ago, I made clear my view t...
Lord Rooker | 723 c455 (Link to this contribution)
There is an easy solution to that. I think it is the case—I do not have children but I was at the DS...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c455 (Link to this contribution)
I take the noble Member’s point. However, the concentration of the media—the London-centred media—ma...
Lord Rooker | 723 c456 (Link to this contribution)
Forgive me but that was not my point. The noble Lord was saying that we could not get 16 year-olds o...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 723 c458 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, since there has so far been silence from these Benches, I want to offer my noble friend on...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 723 c457-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment concerns the age at which one should be eligible to vote in the referendum....
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c456 (Link to this contribution)
I would like to ask the noble Lord a very simple question. Can he tell your Lordships’ House which m...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c456 (Link to this contribution)
I would be interested to hear the views of the Electoral Commission on that. I do not regard myself ...
Lord Desai | 723 c456-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it never fails to surprise me that when people want to resist an advance in the franchise ...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c456 (Link to this contribution)
A large number of people who have voted in previous elections feel that their vote did not count and...
Lord McNally | 723 c463 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as ever it is a pleasure to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer, not least be...
Lord Desai | 723 c463 (Link to this contribution)
In being so divided, we are just like the Liberal Democrats.
Lord Grocott | 723 c460-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have been persuaded to make only two brief points, encouraged by the contribution of the...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c461-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the effect of the amendment of my noble friend Lady Hayter would be that the voting age fo...
Baroness McDonagh | 723 c458-60 (Link to this contribution)
I see the issue in a rather different way. It is part and parcel of our long march to democracy. I t...
Lord McNally | 723 c464 (Link to this contribution)
On the practical objections, I could almost refer to the opening three or four lines of the speech o...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c464 (Link to this contribution)
If this is not the right Bill, could the Minister deal with the practical issues to which I referred...
Lord McNally | 723 c463-4 (Link to this contribution)
That Christmas tree lifts the spirits and lights these gloomy days.
The amendment seeks to amend Cl...
Lord Soley | 723 c463 (Link to this contribution)
I invite the noble Lord to remember his Christmas tree. There are only two things hanging on it—one ...
Lord McNally | 723 c463 (Link to this contribution)
These shafts of wit will throw me one of these days. In the mean time, I address the problem with th...
Baroness McDonagh | 723 c464 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for giving way. I wanted to give one point of information. To date, all voters ...
Lord McNally | 723 c465 (Link to this contribution)
As Lord Peart used to say, ““Not next week””. I am not looking forward as far as that. On the questi...
Lord Soley | 723 c465 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord misquoted me. I certainly did not say that this was the wrong sort of Bill for the pr...
Lord McNally | 723 c465 (Link to this contribution)
It would be difficult. As the noble Lord, Lord Desai, indicated, the implications of the amendment g...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 723 c465 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord referred a few minutes ago to data protection issues arising over the transfer of inf...
Lord McNally | 723 c465 (Link to this contribution)
As I said, the issues are not simple, as the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, who served in that department,...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c481 (Link to this contribution)
36A: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, at end insert ““, and
(c) citizens of other countries which are memb...
Lord McNally | 723 c481 (Link to this contribution)
Someone from Edinburgh is starting to make jokes about snow clearing.
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c481 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was going to say that it is a good job that the Government Whips Office is not in charge...
Lord McAvoy | 723 c483 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend is advocating that European Union citizens who are resident here should vote in refe...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c483 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I can. Ireland is a good example of a country in the European Union.
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c481-3 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord is absolutely right because the Minister who had to resign did not come from Edinburg...
Lord McAvoy | 723 c483 (Link to this contribution)
Can my noble friend name two EU countries that allow UK citizens to vote in their referendums?
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c483-4 (Link to this contribution)
I would need notice of that question.
I understand the import of what my noble friend says, but thi...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c483 (Link to this contribution)
But we always have reciprocal arrangements with Ireland.
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c483 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, but that is just one example; I was asked for only one example and I gave it to my noble fri...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c485 (Link to this contribution)
What did I say?
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c484-5 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment of my noble friend Lord Foulkes identifies a problem that arises from the Government’s...
Lord Rooker | 723 c486 (Link to this contribution)
I say to the noble Lord that that was not the reason at all; it was to give the Electoral Commission...
Lord McNally | 723 c486 (Link to this contribution)
A kindly thought, but no. As noble Lords know, when Ministers receive research it comes with a back ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c486-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am particularly grateful to my noble and learned friend Lord Falconer—my fellow Hearts supporter—f...
Lord McNally | 723 c486 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Rooker, goes too far. The Government’s resistance to this amendment shows that ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c485 (Link to this contribution)
Sorry, it felt like blowing up Parliament. I apologise for the confusion. My noble friend Lord Rooke...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c486 (Link to this contribution)
Does that endorsement of what my noble and learned friend Lord Falconer said include an acceptance t...
Lord McNally | 723 c486 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot do better than that eloquent and absolutely lacerating summing up by the noble an...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c487 (Link to this contribution)
37A: Clause 3, page 2, line 30, at end insert—
““( ) The Electoral Commission shall appoint a sub-co...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c487 (Link to this contribution)
On the basis of representations that I have received from the Electoral Commission and the changes t...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c512 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I earnestly ask the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace of Tankerness, to think again abo...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c511-2 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that that is now clear. There is a lot of money to be made by lawyers one way or another in c...
Lord McNally | 723 c512 (Link to this contribution)
39A: Clause 4, page 3, line 19, at end insert—
““( ) If any of the elections referred to in subsecti...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c502 (Link to this contribution)
With respect, my noble friend asked a question and I thought it only courteous to give him an immedi...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c505 (Link to this contribution)
But it could be changed.
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c505-6 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord says that it could be changed. That is why we have brought forward the am...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c504 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is giving a very helpful explanation of why he has put this amendment forward. In the l...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c504-5 (Link to this contribution)
As I have already explained, 5 May was the date originally set out in the Bill. I do not think that ...
Lord Sewel | 723 c503-4 (Link to this contribution)
Not only that, my Lords, but I have form in that I put a referendum Bill through this House at one s...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c504 (Link to this contribution)
Given that one part of the Government is likely to be supporting the yes campaign and one part, as l...
Lord Rooker | 723 c502-3 (Link to this contribution)
I had not really studied this amendment, and it did not cross my mind that it was a reaction to last...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c503 (Link to this contribution)
I am hugely grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, for allowing me the opportunity to explain the ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c506 (Link to this contribution)
It is important to see what Clause 4 says. That is why it is worth taking some time over these thing...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c507 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble and learned Lord, lord Mackay of Clashfern, had drafted these amendments, I anticipate ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c509-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I indicated when I spoke earlier in dealing with these amendments, the nature of Clause...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c510 (Link to this contribution)
Why does the fact that it is fixed by statute but can be changed make a difference?
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c510 (Link to this contribution)
Sorry, I do not follow the noble and learned Lord’s point. In the Bill as it originally stood prior ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c510-1 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a very interesting and revealing debate. If noble Lords were not confused before they ...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c507 (Link to this contribution)
As a mere junior counsel in the face of two of the most eminent senior counsels this country has eve...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c507-8 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord, Lord Browne of Ladyton, is right and I refer him to the comparison between subsectio...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c509 (Link to this contribution)
The American experience, which is part of the evidence relied on in these debates, suggests that in ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c499-500 (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble and learned Lord confirm what I am saying? Under Clause 4(1), it is permissive, if th...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c499 (Link to this contribution)
That point was raised on Report in another place. In fact, it does not need necessarily to be the re...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c498 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble and learned Lord thinks it would be helpful for me to speak to Amendment 39A, I will al...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c498 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in this group there are two amendments and the clause stand part debate. The first, Amendm...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c497-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Lord for his intervention because he sets the context for the argument th...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c499 (Link to this contribution)
That is correct. I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for setting that out ad longam. However...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c499 (Link to this contribution)
What the Government are doing in the Bill is saying that the polls to be taken together are local au...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c498-9 (Link to this contribution)
I know that the noble Lord is always willing to give advice to Liberal Democrats. It is for Liberal ...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c498 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord will recall that when I said that, I was talking about a conversation tha...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 723 c502 (Link to this contribution)
May I remind the noble Lord that he is speaking to his amendment, and that the contribution he has j...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c502 (Link to this contribution)
In reply to my noble friend, these issues were rehearsed when considering a specific amendment not t...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c500 (Link to this contribution)
To come back on that, I found the drafting of Amendment 39A extraordinary. Under Clause 4(2) to (4),...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c500 (Link to this contribution)
If that is taken along with Amendment 39A, which provides: "““If any of the elections referred to in...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c500 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but if the noble and learned Lord looks at the wording, there is a distinction. Clause 4...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c500 (Link to this contribution)
The purpose of the combination is that if the elections take place on the same day and are not, for ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c501 (Link to this contribution)
What the noble and learned Lord says is correct. If they are to be held on the same day, it is wholl...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c500-1 (Link to this contribution)
The noble and learned Lord will recall—he is stating the obvious—that when this Bill was brought to ...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 723 c501-2 (Link to this contribution)
Could my noble friend address the whole issue of confusion? On 5 May, two important issues are going...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 723 c501 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that I have explained this. It has been a matter of some debate, but nevertheless ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 723 c493-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not want to detain the Committee but, until I read the Marshalled List, I was unaware...
Lord Lipsey | 723 c492-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I might intervene as a supporter of AV. I agree with nearly every word that the no...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c497 (Link to this contribution)
I do not see any contradiction between giving the Scottish Parliament sovereignty over its own elect...
Lord Browne of Ladyton | 723 c495-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, despite the lateness of the hour, I rise with some enthusiasm to support the amendment mov...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c489-90 (Link to this contribution)
Of course, the support of Ed Miliband—and I have a great respect for him—will help the AV campaign. ...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c489 (Link to this contribution)
It rather sounds as if the noble Lord is making a speech of no confidence in his own party leader. S...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 723 c490-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much support the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, on this amendment. I have always taken t...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c487-9 (Link to this contribution)
I had expected that some other Members might have spoken against clause stand part, which is why I w...
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 723 c487 (Link to this contribution)
39: Clause 4, page 2, line 39, leave out subsection (3)
Lord Bach | 723 c408-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, for many years the law in this country has decreed that if you lose your liberty, you lose...
Lord McAvoy | 723 c412 (Link to this contribution)
As well as Parliament having a say, can the Minister indicate what measures, if any, are being taken...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 723 c506-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is important to read Amendment 39A before one gets too deeply involved in this argument...
Lord Maclennan of Rogart | 723 c508-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for giving way. He gave an American example, because he ...
Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 723 c499 (Link to this contribution)
That is an interesting point. Clause 4(1) states: "““Where the date of the poll for one or more of t...
Baroness Fookes | 723 c490 (Link to this contribution)
I point out to noble Lords that if this amendment were agreed, I could not call Amendment 39A by rea...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 723 c413 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is it correct that the Bill proceeds on the basis that those that have a franchise in gene...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 723 c465-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords, including the noble Earl, for their support for this amendment. As a ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 723 c511 (Link to this contribution)
I did not say that. I said that the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord McNally, affects t...
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