Parliamentary search - Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill

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2010-12

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Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory notes also published (HL Bill 26-EN).
Wednesday, 3 November 2010
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Bach | 722 c1447-9 (Link to this contribution) Well, I am sorry if it has not been an interesting debate for the coalition, but I think it was a de...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1443-4 (Link to this contribution) How does the noble Lord reconcile that with the Electoral Commission advising the Scottish Parliamen...

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Lord Deben | 722 c1398-400 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, has done your Lordships a great favo...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1407-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps there should be a word from this side. My noble friend Lord Deben said that we sho...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1409 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I greatly appreciate the contributions of noble Lords across the Committee on my amendment...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1409-10 (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect, I did not actually argue that case. I simply argued that it should be for...

Lord Tyler | 722 c1415-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Rooker, very kindly referred to me in the previous debate and challenged me to ...

Lord Rooker | 722 c1413-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unlike the debate we have just had, this is a very narrow, targeted debate. My basic submi...

Lord Rooker | 722 c1413 (Link to this contribution) 2: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, leave out ““A”” and insert ““An indicative””

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1410-3 (Link to this contribution) I think that when the wider public read the noble Lord’s comments, they will agree with my interpret...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 722 c1418 (Link to this contribution) Like my noble friend Lord Deben, I too have great reservations about referenda because they undermin...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 722 c1416-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it would be a good deal safer, and therefore wiser, for the referendum to be indicative ra...

Lord Sewel | 722 c1416 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when it comes to major constitutional change, there is some benefit in looking at what has...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1416 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord giving that the strength that was given to his people’s undertaking on tuition fee...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1442 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to say briefly why I oppose this group of amendments suggesting that a date other t...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1442 (Link to this contribution) It is 5 May.

Lord Rennard | 722 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution) I believe it is 6 May. The first argument, which has been made several times, is by no means the str...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 722 c1443 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Can he explain to other noble Lords why, if it was a...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 722 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution) In his comprehensive treatment of electoral systems, my noble friend Lord Foulkes missed out one sys...

Lord Deben | 722 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to disagree with the noble Lord in what he has said, but as I understood it he was laudin...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 722 c1439-42 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support the amendments in this group and my noble friends Lord Foulkes and Lord ...

Lord Liddle | 722 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment moved by my noble friend Lord Foulkes. I agree wit...

Lord Lipsey | 722 c1436 (Link to this contribution) I must have been much less clear than I normally am. I was arguing precisely the reverse of the case...

Lord Deben | 722 c1436 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is precisely why I think the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, is wrong. Let me take Wales, t...

Lord Palmer | 722 c1435-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I certainly support this amendment as a resident of Scotland. I would love to know if anyb...

Lord Rooker | 722 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution) At about 2 pm I was given notice about degrouping part of this group. Amendment 5 is mine. I was adv...

Lord Lipsey | 722 c1434-5 (Link to this contribution) I hope my noble friend Lord Foulkes will forgive me because I am going to say something very shockin...

Lord Snape | 722 c1432 (Link to this contribution) Seriously, now, there would only be one winner in a contest like that.

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I thank my noble friend very much; I did not know that he was a fan of the noble Lord, Lord Str...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1430-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a simple and elegant amendment, because the sentence would now read: "““The refere...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1430 (Link to this contribution) 4: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, after ““must”” insert ““not””

Lord Rooker | 722 c1426-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the beginning of the debate on the Bill—I do not mean this in a personal, patronising w...

Lord McNally | 722 c1426 (Link to this contribution) We have already seen the Labour Party retreat on AV. I will leave it at that for today. The noble Lo...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1426 (Link to this contribution) I can imagine this wonderful picture of the Battle of Waterloo, just as we see in the Royal Gallery....

Lord Sewel | 722 c1425 (Link to this contribution) The central issue in the debate is the recognition by Members of your Lordships’ House that there is...

Lord McNally | 722 c1425 (Link to this contribution) I would suggest that you have the threshold debate on Clause 8. The threshold debate that I have jus...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 722 c1425 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, and I am sorry if I exasperate him by intervening. Per...

Lord McNally | 722 c1425-6 (Link to this contribution) That is for the voters to judge. If you want this reform to fail, you do all the kind of things that...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1426 (Link to this contribution) What the noble Lord is missing is that those of us who support electoral reform see what is happenin...

Lord McNally | 722 c1426 (Link to this contribution) We keep on making these speeches. That is the opinion of the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, but ...

Lord McNally | 722 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution) That is another one for the memoirs. If we wanted to continue in this way, the 1911 reform of this H...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1424 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord not agree that although it did, as he rightly said, delay devolution, we actuall...

Lord McNally | 722 c1425 (Link to this contribution) Of course I do, and I would not be at this Dispatch Box advocating them to the House if I did not. A...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1425 (Link to this contribution) On the basis of the historic utterances of the noble Lord, Lord McNally, on the whole question of al...

Lord Lipsey | 722 c1422-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, during the past half hour I have felt as if I have strayed to the wrong end of the buildin...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c1423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name and that of my noble friend Lord Bach are also on this amendment. Clause 8 require...

Lord McNally | 722 c1422 (Link to this contribution) Rather like the previous Government, I think we shall leave to the memoirs what was or was not said ...

Lord Grocott | 722 c1422 (Link to this contribution) I had expected the noble Lord to tell me that I was a constitutional Conservative, or some other suc...

Lord McNally | 722 c1424 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the House for this debate. Observers will see a pattern developing: refor...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 722 c1424 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble and learned Lord not think that a merely consultative referendum could depress the tu...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c1424 (Link to this contribution) No I do not, and what happened in the Scottish and Welsh referendums indicates that that is wrong. I...

Lord Grocott | 722 c1420-2 (Link to this contribution) I always tremble a little when I follow my noble friend Lord Snape, who was also my Whip during the ...

Lord Snape | 722 c1420 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend Lord Rooker and endorse largely what has been said by my noble friend Lord...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1418-9 (Link to this contribution) I am very pleased to follow the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton, who was introduced into this House on the...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1455 (Link to this contribution) It is not a modern jury. It is a more like a jury out of ““Garrow’s Law””. The other astonishing thi...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1455 (Link to this contribution) But I am told that I will have another opportunity on Report to make these arguments again—more forc...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1454-5 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord had sat through all the debate—I know he was in for some of it—he would understand...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very glad that the noble Lord has now given that context but, equally, that he does n...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1454 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am in a genuine dilemma about what to do. I know that many noble Lords would like to go ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 722 c1454 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord put us out of our misery and tell us whether he is going to call a vote?

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 722 c1453 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is being extremely generous and I am very grateful for that, but the conclusion to wh...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1453-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have no idea where the noble Baroness found that; of course, it is not true. I very much...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 722 c1453 (Link to this contribution) This is a very simple point amid the complex issues that we have been discussing. Given that there i...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a decision was made on a national poll and to announce that to the House of Commons. That ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1453 (Link to this contribution) I refer the noble Lord to page 220 of the Bill: "““List of votes marked by presiding officer""32 (1)...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1453 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this whole process will involve negotiation, discussion and a debate which is taking place...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 722 c1452 (Link to this contribution) In the interests of fully reporting Mr Gould’s position, can the Leader of the House confirm that Go...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1452 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the figures can be produced, they will be produced for the noble Lord to see. Furtherm...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1450 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, for the way that he moved his amendment. ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 722 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Lord explain how the saving has suddenly doubled? Exactly what does that involve? Wh...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1451 (Link to this contribution) I would not dream of pulling that figure out of a hat. The figure that I have been given by the depa...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 722 c1451 (Link to this contribution) It is well recorded that if you hold elections and a referendum on the same day there is the possibi...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1451 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will come to the question of confusion in the polling booths in 2007 in a moment. The po...

Lord Lipsey | 722 c1451 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is about to move off the point, raised by my noble friend Lord Foulkes, that I want t...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1451-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to do whatever I can to bring clarity to this debate and I am happy to do what ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1452 (Link to this contribution) On the issue of eligibility, can the noble Lord ensure that, prior to next week’s debate, we will ac...

Lord Bach | 722 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, that is what the manifesto said and—to quote my noble friend Lord Grocott—““We lost””. Yes, ...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 722 c1449 (Link to this contribution) Is the Labour manifesto for the last election not explicit that the AV referendum should be before O...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1444 (Link to this contribution) It is not at all inconsistent to argue that one should be able to hold the local elections and the S...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1443 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the beauty of devolution, which this party has long supported more than any other party, i...

Lord Bach | 722 c1447 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been a very interesting debate—

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 722 c1444-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am glad to have another opportunity to speak after the noble Lord, Lord Rennard, because...

Lord McAvoy | 722 c1445-7 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Foulkes. I wish to spend a couple of minutes on one ...

Lord Rooker | 722 c1400-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the demands of my noble friend Lord Campbell-Savours. I want to put this on the ...

Lord Lipsey | 722 c1396-8 (Link to this contribution) We should make sure that the noble Lord’s microphone is finely tuned, so that should some noises whi...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 722 c1403-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not delay the Committee long because I very much agree with much of what the noble ...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1403 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can throw no more light than the books currently in circulation describing the coalition...

Lord Grocott | 722 c1403 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord stressed heavily the importance of consulting the electorate before a change is made....

Lord Rennard | 722 c1402-3 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, will not be surprised to find that his amendme...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 722 c1404-6 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Liddell, that the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, has done ...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 722 c1404 (Link to this contribution) I would refer the noble Lord to what my noble friend Lord Rooker has just said about the gradations ...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1404 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness accept that, sadly, under the first past the post system we have had a signi...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1393-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 1, I will speak also to Amendments 3 and 14, which are related or cons...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1393 (Link to this contribution) 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at beginning insert ““Subject to subsections (2A), (2B) and (6),””

Lord McNally | 722 c1396 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it has been a long-established practice in this House that Members occasionally close thei...

Lord Lipsey | 722 c1396 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I noted a moment during my noble friend’s closing remarks when the eyes of the nob...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1407 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord is accusing the Government of not having careful thought and of being out...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c1406-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had a good and very important debate for precisely the reasons set out by the nobl...

Lord Rennard | 722 c1407 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble and learned Lord tell us which alternative vote system was contained in the Constitut...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c1407 (Link to this contribution) We lost. In those circumstances, I do not think that relying on what we did justifies you doing the ...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1408-9 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord’s amendments seek to determine that crucial matters relating to the referendum should...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 722 c1408 (Link to this contribution) It is not necessary to have the AV system in the Bill: that is a matter for the inquiry to deal with...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c1407 (Link to this contribution) I never voted in relation to the Constitutional Reform and Governance Bill. I assume the system was ...

Lord Strathclyde | 722 c1408 (Link to this contribution) I stand by what I say unless the noble Lord can produce further amendments reflecting how he believe...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 722 c1408 (Link to this contribution) As I understand the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours—and we should be clear about ...

Subjects

Alternative vote

Administration

Elections

Electoral systems

Northern Ireland

Referendums

Scotland

Wales

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Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill 2010-12

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