Coroners and Justice Bill. Queen's and Prince of Wales's consents signified. Lords third reading debate. New clauses (Amendments 3, 4, 6 and 17) agreed to. New clauses (Amendments 13, 15 and 18) debated and agreed to. New clauses (Amendments 5 and 16) debated and withdrawn. Passed on question and returned to the Commons with amendments.
Coroners and Justice Bill
Debate on bills on Thursday, 5 November 2009,
in the House of Lords,
led by Baroness Royall of Blaisdon.
The answering
member was Lord Henley.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
714 c380-426 
Session
2008-09
Legislative stage
Third reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Coroners and Justice Bill. Lords amendments. Explanatory Notes Bill 160-EN also published.
Thursday, 5 November 2009
Bills
House of Commons
Thursday, 5 November 2009
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Lord Renfrew of Kaimsthorn | 714 c385-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, thank the Government for their very sympathetic response to these amendments, whic...
Baroness Warnock | 714 c387 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to say a few words about the use of the word "property" with regard to auctio...
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Lord Bach | 714 c386-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the three noble Lords who have spoken, not just for the thanks they ...
Lord Redesdale | 714 c387-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I, too, noticed the article in the Metro this morn...
Lord Bach | 714 c387 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I certainly agree that it is a matter of great importance, but it would be better on this ...
Lord Bach | 714 c389 (Link to this contribution)
7: Clause 35, page 17, line 19, at end insert—
"( ) the number and length of—
(i) investigations in ...
Lord Bach | 714 c388-9 (Link to this contribution)
6: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause—
"Duty to notify Coroner for Treasure etc of acq...
Lord Bach | 714 c389-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we return to the powers in paragraph 3 of Schedule 5 for a coroner conducting an investiga...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 714 c390 (Link to this contribution)
First, I thank the Minister for seeing a representative of the Coroners’ Society and myself, and, as...
Lord Bach | 714 c391 (Link to this contribution)
9: Clause 35, page 17, line 22, leave out "Schedule 5" and insert "that Schedule"
Amendment 9 agree...
Lord Bach | 714 c391 (Link to this contribution)
12: Clause 47, page 25, line 35, at end insert—
""active service" means service in—
(a) an action or...
Lord Ramsbotham | 714 c393-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for the amendment he promised on Report and for what is incl...
Lord Ramsbotham | 714 c393 (Link to this contribution)
14: After Clause 49, line 8, at end insert "at the discretion of the coroner"
Lord Bach | 714 c392-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments would extend the scope of the community legal service in England and Wale...
Lord Bach | 714 c391-2 (Link to this contribution)
13: After Clause 49, insert the following new Clause—
"Public funding for advocacy at certain inques...
Lord Bach | 714 c397-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords who have spoken, particularly the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. I am duly correct...
Lord Henley | 714 c397 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Government for bringing forward their amendment. We accept that there should b...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c397 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a brief question in support of the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, to...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c395-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for acknowledging the efforts made from these Benches to obt...
Lord Ramsbotham | 714 c398 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister and the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for their kind words. I l...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c399 (Link to this contribution)
15: After Clause 68, insert the following new Clause—
"Slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory l...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c399-400 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at Report stage I accepted in principle the case made powerfully by the noble Baroness, La...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c401 (Link to this contribution)
16: After Clause 70, insert the following new Clause—
"Abolition of blasphemy in Northern Ireland
Th...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c401 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the point made by the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, about prosecution rates, I hope that h...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c401-3 (Link to this contribution)
I should make it clear that I move this amendment not with any intention of dividing the House or, p...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c401 (Link to this contribution)
I think that this is admirable. The Minister’s speech is very important and when it is read its impo...
Baroness Young of Hornsey | 714 c400-1 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Government for introducing this amendment, which corrects a historical anomaly, whereby ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c401 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Young, on pursuing this so successfully, and I tha...
Earl of Sandwich | 714 c401 (Link to this contribution)
As one who supported my noble friend’s original amendment, I thank the Government warmly for this, a...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c381 (Link to this contribution)
1: Clause 1, page 2, line 21, leave out subsections (8) and (9)
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c381-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 1, 3 and 7 concern those coroners’ investigations that take more than 12 months...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c382 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I warmly thank the Minister and his department for their thoughtful and helpful response i...
Lord Laird | 714 c380 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her statement. Obviously, under the circumstances I shall w...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 714 c381 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords. I should say to the noble Baroness that there is clear ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c381 (Link to this contribution)
May I have discussions on the issue before we reach that stage in the Bill? We are not deciding it t...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 714 c380 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen and His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c380 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am extremely surprised to hear that news, because it was the clear will of the House to ...
Lord Redesdale | 714 c385 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to speak to the amendments in my name in this group but I shall withdraw them, as t...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 714 c385 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, welcome the amendments tabled by the Government and echo what the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c383-4 (Link to this contribution)
3: After Clause 17, insert the following new Clause—
"Investigations lasting more than a year
(1) A ...
Lord Ramsbotham | 714 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as probably the only services representative in the House, I thank the Minister for the am...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Liberal Democrats supported the noble Baroness, Lady Fookes, in her campaign. We are v...
Lord Henley | 714 c383 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lady Fookes I thank the Government for accepting the principl...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 714 c382 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, thank the Government for the amendment. We took this point very seriously. The Bil...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c382 (Link to this contribution)
2: Clause 14, page 7, line 35, leave out subsection (6)
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c426 (Link to this contribution)
42: In the Title, line 6, after "aid" insert "and about payments for legal services provided in conn...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 714 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall clarify for the House that this is not a matter of filibustering, but of the proce...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 714 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, forgive my absence from the Chamber for the beginning of this very short debate on this am...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 714 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am becoming increasingly confused about the procedure the House is now adopting. I am aw...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with the leave of the House, if I could just complete the statement, I would like to make ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 714 c421-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it needs to be made clear that my noble friend was endeavouring to make it clear that she ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 714 c421 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think the Leader of the House made the position perfectly clear at Question Time. Much a...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c421 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I appreciate what the Leader of the House said just after Question Time. For clarity, I wi...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c421 (Link to this contribution)
27: Schedule 1, page 127, line 30, leave out paragraph 3
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c426 (Link to this contribution)
38: Schedule 23, page 250, line 29, at end insert—
Amendment 38 agreed.
Amendments 39 to 41 not mo...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c424 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister and the Government for the amendment. Many organisations have pressed...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c424 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment was tabled in response to one tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, on Rep...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c426 (Link to this contribution)
37: Schedule 22, page 240, line 44, at end insert—
"Slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labo...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c425-6 (Link to this contribution)
33: Schedule 21, page 217, line 11, at end insert—
"(6) This section has effect subject to section 8...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c423 (Link to this contribution)
29: Schedule 5, page 140, line 3, leave out "in writing"
30: Schedule 5, page 140, line 31, at end...
Lord Colwyn | 714 c423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Baroness speaks to the amendment, she may not then withdraw it. I must call f...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c423-4 (Link to this contribution)
32: Schedule 21, page 213, line 14, at end insert—
"After section 33 insert—
"33A Short certificate ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c423 (Link to this contribution)
31: Schedule 8, page 147, line 18, leave out sub-paragraph (2)
Amendment 31 agreed.
Schedule 21 : ...
Lord McNally | 714 c423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think the Front Benches have brought this on themselves because we have been trying to g...
Lord Bach | 714 c411-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have spoken in this debate, all with a great degree of experti...
Lord Hunt of Wirral | 714 c409-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare my interests recorded in the Register of Members’ Interests; in particular, bein...
Lord Henley | 714 c416-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Borrie, made clear, the House debated this matter a week ago and c...
Lord Borrie | 714 c415-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall not hide the fact that I would prefer that the Government had withdrawn the whole ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c412-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister and his advisers for having met me yesterday to discuss...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c412 (Link to this contribution)
19: Clause 154, page 101, line 17, at end insert—
"( ) it is a heinous offence, and"
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c408-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare a professional interest, as I have been involved in litigation in an employment ...
Lord Bach | 714 c407-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments provide for the statutory regulation of damages-based agreements relating...
Lord Bach | 714 c406-7 (Link to this contribution)
18: After Clause 149, insert the following new Clause—
Damages-based agreements relating to employme...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c418-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall not go beyond what I said on Report. As the noble Lord, Lord Henley, has pointed o...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c418 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the Minister will not reply to the specific point, I ask: is he saying that he accepts ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c419 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to everyone who has spoken and to the Minister for his reply. I am not ...
Lord Bach | 714 c421 (Link to this contribution)
24: Clause 176, page 122, line 4, at end insert—
"( ) section (Slavery, servitude and forced or comp...
Lord Bach | 714 c420-1 (Link to this contribution)
20: Clause 154, page 101, line 19, leave out "indictable offence" and insert "offence which, if comm...
Lord Bach | 714 c421 (Link to this contribution)
26: Clause 177, page 122, line 41, at end insert—
"( ) section (Damages-based agreements relating to...
Lord Monson | 714 c417 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having disagreed with the noble Lord, Lord Lester, on an amendment a while ago, I was comp...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c417-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Lester, has proposed an amendment that would limit the scope of the c...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c417 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, one can see from the structure of this very unsatisfactory part of the Bill that an applic...
Lord Henley | 714 c403 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at the last stage I made it clear that the view from these Benches was that this was a mat...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 714 c405-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to everyone who has spoken, including the Minister, who has now put on record his...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c406 (Link to this contribution)
17: After Clause 79, insert the following new Clause—
"Review
(1) The Secretary of State must review...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c406 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment makes provision for a statutory review of investigation anonymity orders wit...
Lord Henley | 714 c406 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for moving the amendment. We look forward to the review in a...
Lord Morrow | 714 c403 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to make a few observations on this matter. I have noted that the noble Lord, Lord L...
Lord Monson | 714 c404 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I might make a short observation on the amendment by the noble Lord, Lord Lester. ...
Lord Browne of Belmont | 714 c404 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first I declare that I am a Member of the Northern Ireland Assembly, and noble Lords will ...
Lord Bach | 714 c404-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Lester, tabled similar amendments to these on Report to bring about t...
Lord Redesdale | 714 c384 (Link to this contribution)
5: After Clause 27, insert the following new Clause—
"Amendment of Treasure Act 1996
After section 8...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c410-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having been a solicitor for some five years and a member of the Bar for too many years, I ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 714 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Anelay, for her support in this matter. It ...
Lord Bach | 714 c389 (Link to this contribution)
8: Clause 35, page 17, line 21, at end insert—
"( ) the matters recorded under paragraph 3A of Sched...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 714 c381 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment will be called in the usual way. I believe that it is the will of the House ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c382-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, government Amendments 2, 4, 12 and 31 bring us back to the important issue of investigatio...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 714 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, had my noble friend been allowed to continue, we would now be on the next amendment. I do ...
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