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Coroners and Justice Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 33-EN also published.
Wednesday, 25 March 2009
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Deposited Paper DEP2009-2485
Tuesday, 13 October 2009
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Deposited Paper DEP2009-2337
Sunday, 23 August 2009
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Deposited Paper DEP2009-2658
Saturday, 29 August 2009
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Monday, 5 October 2009
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Dear | 712 c817 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for giving way. I referred in my speech to the fact that ACPO had not given an ...

Lord Bach | 712 c817-8 (Link to this contribution) The Waddington amendment and the Bill to which it was attached are not in force at present. They are...

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Lord Waddington | 712 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) I am quite sure that a long speech from me would not be welcomed for one moment. I thank all those w...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c843 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 178 178: After Clause 61, insert the following new Clause— "Abolition of offence of sedit...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c843-7 (Link to this contribution) In moving Amendment 178 I shall speak also to Amendment 179 with which it has been grouped. I declar...

Baroness D'Souza | 712 c847-8 (Link to this contribution) I can add only a few stray details to the full and excellent history that has been given by the nobl...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c849-50 (Link to this contribution) We on these Benches support the amendment in the name of my noble friend. It is interesting that, ha...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c848-9 (Link to this contribution) I find myself in agreeable consonance with the noble Lord, Lord Lester of Herne Hill, and the noble ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c850-1 (Link to this contribution) First, let me say how grateful I am to everyone who has spoken. Secondly, this is something of a fam...

Lord Bach | 712 c850 (Link to this contribution) I can be brief. As the noble Lord, Lord Lester, explained, the amendments would abolish the common l...

Lord Bach | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) I understand that point and I shall come to it shortly. Apart from the high threshold of the offenc...

Bishop of Winchester | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) Would it not be simpler to leave this clause in and to revise the guidance? Would that not be simple...

Lord Bach | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) I shall come on to the Waddington amendment and what its effect might be in a moment. I shall try to...

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) I wish to put a point to the noble Lord that I hope he finds helpful. One thing that has been made c...

Lord Bach | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) The Government have said that they intend to issue guidance on the new offence, so by its nature tha...

Lord Dear | 712 c817 (Link to this contribution) I—

Lord Bach | 712 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for telling me something that I already knew. I did not hear hi...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) I am so sorry to interrupt, but I simply make the point that this is not an amendment by the noble L...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 712 c817 (Link to this contribution) On a matter of order, I remind the Committee that frequent and lengthy interruptions are not appropr...

Lord Waddington | 712 c813 (Link to this contribution) I want to return to the point of whether the Government made it perfectly clear that they were going...

Lord Bach | 712 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) The Minister did not say that we would return to it in this Session, but she said that we would retu...

Lord Tebbit | 712 c814 (Link to this contribution) Are there any sections of the Koran that would fall foul of the law?

Lord Bach | 712 c814 (Link to this contribution) I am so sorry. I did not hear what the noble Lord said.

Lord Campbell of Alloway | 712 c816 (Link to this contribution) Having been somewhat concerned with the origins of this religious hatred, perhaps I may say that the...

Lord Bach | 712 c815 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has his answer. I hope that I may continue with my remarks, because I think that nob...

Lord Bach | 712 c815 (Link to this contribution) Not for the first time I cannot answer the noble Lord’s question. I am not talking about the Koran; ...

Lord Tebbit | 712 c814 (Link to this contribution) Are there any sections of the Koran that, if read out in a public place, would cause an offence unde...

Lord Tebbit | 712 c815 (Link to this contribution) With respect, I asked the noble Lord not whether it would be offensive to read it but whether readin...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 712 c865-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for supporting the amendments and for doing so rigorously with lots of evidence....

Lord Kingsland | 712 c865 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister. That would be extremely helpful.

Lord Bach | 712 c864 (Link to this contribution) I am very conscious of the author of the opinion, for whom I personally have a high regard, as no do...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 712 c864 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister take into account who has written this opinion—that is, the former Director of Pub...

Lord Bach | 712 c865 (Link to this contribution) I will do as much of that as I can. I cannot promise that there will be an overall full-scale review...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 712 c864-5 (Link to this contribution) I wonder if could press the Minister about the consultation that he says he will have over the summe...

Lord Bach | 712 c861-2 (Link to this contribution) The Committee is very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Young of Hornsey, and her supporters for ...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c861 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is confident that she has identified loopholes in the law that allow people to be...

Lord Bach | 712 c862-4 (Link to this contribution) As always, the noble Lord has come up with a good suggestion. This opinion, which has yesterday’s da...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c865 (Link to this contribution) I suppose that, in principle, I should welcome what the Minister has just said, since a great deal o...

Lord Bach | 712 c865 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps when we surface again in September, I can agree to write a letter in which I set out the Gov...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c858-9 (Link to this contribution) Listening to the debate, I was taken back over 20 years to Hong Kong, where I was involved with prob...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 712 c855-8 (Link to this contribution) I very much support the amendment standing in the name of my noble friend Lady Young of Hornsey. I h...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 712 c855 (Link to this contribution) I have not considered that. The noble Lord raises a very interesting point. However, a woman who is ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c854-5 (Link to this contribution) Since, unlike the noble Baroness, Lady Young, the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, is ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 712 c854 (Link to this contribution) My name is on the first of the two amendments in this group. I failed to attach it to the second thr...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 712 c851-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 183. We tend to think that we have seen the back of such things, but...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 712 c851 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 182 182: After Clause 61, insert the following new Clause— "CHAPTER 4 Servitude and force...

Earl of Sandwich | 712 c860 (Link to this contribution) I add my two minutes’ worth of support for my noble friend’s amendment as a former council member of...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c859 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make it quite clear, since I might be misunderstood, that when I asked the question I ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 712 c859-60 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support these amendments. They are sufficiently clearly stated for it to be likely that wher...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has made some rather interesting—

Lord Elton | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Lord read out the passage with which we are all concerned, he should have emphasised ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Elton. It is precisely the words "of itself" that create somet...

Lord Tebbit | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, but he has already explained that perfectly reasonable police offic...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) Of course the noble Lord, Lord Tebbit, is right. There are idiots in all quarters. If police officer...

Bishop of Chichester | 712 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) Last year, we were told that the Waddington amendment was unnecessary, and we are now told that its ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c795-7 (Link to this contribution) First, may I say how heartened I am that the Leader of the Conservative Party has apologised on beha...

Baroness Turner of Camden | 712 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my noble friend on the Front Bench will not agree with the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, ...

Baroness D'Souza | 712 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) Even the most ardent proponent of freedom of expression will admit to the need for some restrictions...

Lord Waddington | 712 c790-2 (Link to this contribution) Clause 61: Hatred against persons on grounds of sexual orientation Debate on whether Clause 61 shou...

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c808-9 (Link to this contribution) I apologise if I did not hear the noble Baroness correctly. I shall proceed with my question. The no...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c809-10 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Low, asks extremely difficult questions and I am not able to give an answer tha...

Lord Low of Dalston | 712 c808 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my noble friend Lord Dear; I did not intend to come between your Lordships and the ex...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 712 c808 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly the distinction that I made. I clearly said that many people may find it offensive t...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 712 c810 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make two very short points. First, thinking about unexpected outcomes, I was intere...

Bishop of Winchester | 712 c806 (Link to this contribution) No. My own studies, which I suspect are comparable to that of the noble Lord in these matters, sugge...

Lord Monson | 712 c808 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness aware that Peter Tatchell, Matthew Parris and other prominent homosexuals oppo...

Lord Davies of Coity | 712 c806-7 (Link to this contribution) It was not my intention to speak, but I have been encouraged by my two noble friends Lady Turner and...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 712 c807-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not have a carefully constructed speech as I was not sure that I would speak at all today. The ...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c802 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the noble Lord appreciates that the whole of what Sir Stephen Sedley said is someth...

Lord Dear | 712 c802-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. As my young daughter noticed all those years ago, the police are a...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 712 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) I have been somewhat intimidated by the Bill. It has tremendous scope, covering many emotive issues....

Lord Williamson of Horton | 712 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) I support the proposal of the noble Lord, Lord Waddington. I shall be very brief in view of the hour...

Bishop of Winchester | 712 c805-6 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Waddington. My name is the fourth name t...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c806 (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate had the good fortune not to hear what I had to say. I first reassure him ...

Lord Elton | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) May I just finish the point? The noble Lord, Lord Lester, said that no reasonable people could inter...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c798 (Link to this contribution) I have no idea. I dare say that the guidance can be improved in all kinds of ways. We are concerned ...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 712 c798-800 (Link to this contribution) As always, the noble Lord has made some interesting distinctions, but in my judgment he has not deal...

Lord Dear | 712 c800-1 (Link to this contribution) As one of the four Members of the Committee opposing the Question that Clause 61 stand part of the B...

Lord Tebbit | 712 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) Almost all that was necessary to be said today was said by the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butl...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c811 (Link to this contribution) I shall vote with the Government today. I have the greatest respect for the noble Lord, Lord Wadding...

Lord Bach | 712 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) Whatever its failings, the Bill has resulted in some passionate and important debates, particularly ...

Lord Kingsland | 712 c812 (Link to this contribution) We on this side of the Committee have a free vote on this matter; so it would be inappropriate for m...

Lord Waddington | 712 c810 (Link to this contribution) I would not like to give that impression. I was quoting from what Ben Summerskill said when giving e...

Lord Bach | 712 c813 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the noble Lord would listen to what I have to say before coming back to me.

Lord Bach | 712 c813 (Link to this contribution) I am not moving on to other matters, but I wonder whether I could make my point. Then the noble Lord...

Lord Waddington | 712 c813 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord is going to move on to other matters, I must take him to task—

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 712 c862 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether, as a way of informing noble Lords between now and Report, it would be possible to ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 712 c808 (Link to this contribution) I am speaking not for them but for myself and the people I know.

Lord Kingsland | 712 c813 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. The fact that the Government had certain constr...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 712 c815 (Link to this contribution) Is not the answer to this strange query that it could be if it was read out in a way that intended t...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 712 c810 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the Committee for my inaccurate understanding of what was said by the noble Lord, Lor...

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Coroners and Justice Bill 2008-09

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