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Coroners and Justice Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 33-EN also published.
Wednesday, 25 March 2009
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Tuesday, 14 July 2009
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Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c627-8 (Link to this contribution) At this hour, I do not want to detain the Committee for long. However, I want to ask a question so t...

Lord Bach | 711 c628 (Link to this contribution) I think that the answer to the noble Baroness’s question is that it would be the relevant Minister. ...

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Lord Kingsland | 711 c566 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his response, both to my amendment and to the other amendment...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c566 (Link to this contribution) Before we leave this group of amendments, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, for his support in...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c563-4 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments 2 and 3. In beginning his speech, the noble Lord, Lord Alton, referred u...

Lord Bach | 711 c564-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have spoken on this group of amendments. The noble Lord, Lord Kingsland,...

Lord Williamson of Horton | 711 c569-70 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. In this part of the Bill we are concentrating on the substance of corone...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c567-8 (Link to this contribution) The amendments in this group concern the time limits of inquests. At the moment, an inquest can be o...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c567 (Link to this contribution) Clause 2: Request for other coroner to conduct investigation Amendment 4 4: Clause 2, page 2, line...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c567 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw my amendment. Amendment 1 withdrawn. Amendments 2 and 3 not moved. Clause...

Lord Dubs | 711 c566 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the support from the noble Lords, Lord Kingsland and Lord Alderdice, for Amendment...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c570-1 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. In another context, Gladstone famously said that justice delayed is just...

Lord Craig of Radley | 711 c571 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. The Minister wrote to me stating that the overriding aim of the reforms ...

Lord Bach | 711 c571-3 (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords for this interesting debate on the timely hearings of inquests. I start by stati...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c573 (Link to this contribution) I did not hear the Minister give a reason why we could not include the amendments in the Bill. Altho...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c570 (Link to this contribution) I support these amendments. There is nothing unusual in monitoring the progress of cases. The Heads ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c575 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment. I am somewhat concerned, reading the Bill, that the responsibility for coro...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c573-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in support of the amendments. In particular, I thank the nob...

Lord Bach | 711 c573 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that that would really add anything to the Bill given what we intend to do. If a phras...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c574-5 (Link to this contribution) The amendment would insert a sixth subsection in Clause 3 between subsections (1) and (2). As your L...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c574 (Link to this contribution) Clause 3: Direction for other coroner to conduct investigation Amendment 5 5: Clause 3, page 2, li...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c575-6 (Link to this contribution) I have two amendments in this group, which concern the resources available to coroners. First, I sho...

Baroness Fookes | 711 c577 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment 79, which is in this group and stands in my name. The noble Baroness has ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c578-80 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken to this group of amendments, which relate to the qu...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c580 (Link to this contribution) It is not quite clear how this funding is going to be achieved. Local authorities will be responsibl...

Lord Craig of Radley | 711 c577 (Link to this contribution) I support the noble Baroness, Lady Fookes. My name is on this amendment. What has been said makes it...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 711 c577 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments. Schedule 2 sets out the Government’s policy that the coroner areas should ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c581 (Link to this contribution) That is a little unfair; I have not talked about any of the ingredients, and I am certainly not goin...

Baroness Fookes | 711 c581 (Link to this contribution) Do I take it that, like the ancient Israelites, the local authorities are commanded to make bricks w...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c581 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that comprehensive reply in outlining the standards. It struck me that an a...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c580-1 (Link to this contribution) Local authorities are going to be responsible for meeting their obligations under the Bill. It may e...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 711 c581-2 (Link to this contribution) That framework is all very well, and I approve of the Chief Coroner and the inspector to whom the no...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c582 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to see that the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, is about to rise to his feet. I have not ...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c582 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to all those who have spoken in this debate and to the Minister for what he has s...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 711 c583 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, has raised an entirely relevant point in his amendment. Will it be i...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c583 (Link to this contribution) The whole point of Committee stage is to raise issues which give the Government a chance to pause fo...

Bishop of Winchester | 711 c583 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I am the only Member of the Committee who has become increasingly baffled during th...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c583-4 (Link to this contribution) I say with great respect to the Minister that he appears to be putting up more and more smoke in res...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c583 (Link to this contribution) There are individuals in our national life who carry out roles in which they make recommendations on...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c584 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to respond to the noble Lord. In fact, I did in my opening remarks indicate that we ...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c587 (Link to this contribution) That is an important point, but the noble Lord, Lord Alton, will recognise that transfer of cases is...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c586-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Davies. Before he concludes, will he indicate what capacity he...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c585-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the succinct but accurate comments made in support of these amendments. I hope I w...

Baroness Fookes | 711 c585 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to my own Amendment 90A, which is in this grouping although it goes to Schedule 4, w...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c585 (Link to this contribution) I should like to ask the Minister a question arising from my noble friend Lady Finlay’s amendment. I...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c584-5 (Link to this contribution) I feel I should apologise for having such a series of amendments, but I remind the Committee that I ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c584 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 5A 5A: Clause 3, page 3, line 6, at end insert— "(4A) When giving notice in writing to co...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c584 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for replying in the way that he has. I shall re-table this amendm...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c587 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Minister for his comments and assurances and I am glad that we were able t...

Baroness Fookes | 711 c587 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 6A 6A: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause— "Investigations into deaths of se...

Baroness Fookes | 711 c587-8 (Link to this contribution) The proposed new clause stands in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Dean of Thornton-le-F...

Lord Bach | 711 c592-5 (Link to this contribution) This House is always at its best when discussing our Armed Forces. As the noble Lord, Lord Alton, ki...

Baroness Emerton | 711 c592 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Fookes. I speak from the families’ point ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c607 (Link to this contribution) Clause 5: Matters to be ascertained Amendment 7 7: Clause 5, page 3, line 37, leave out paragraph ...

Baroness Fookes | 711 c595 (Link to this contribution) I am deeply grateful for the powerful support that I have had from many noble Lords tonight. I know ...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c590-1 (Link to this contribution) We have a great of sympathy with the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Fookes, and the n...

Lord Craig of Radley | 711 c589-90 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment 37 and the other amendments grouped with it. They all have a similar th...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 711 c592 (Link to this contribution) I wish to say a word in support of the amendment tabled by the noble and gallant Lord, Lord Craig of...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c591-2 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Alderdice, has just reminded us that the day-to-day knowledge of war on the par...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c607-8 (Link to this contribution) We come now to Clause 5 and my Amendment 7, which is grouped with other amendments. The amendment wo...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c610-2 (Link to this contribution) I will speak to a number of amendments in this group in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Tho...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c608-10 (Link to this contribution) I have several amendments in this group. I should like to speak to Amendments 7 and 27 and then turn...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 711 c617 (Link to this contribution) Let me pursue the point that I was making. Let us suppose for a moment that a young soldier has been...

Lord Bach | 711 c613-7 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this very important debate. The noble Lord, ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 711 c613 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments that have been spoken to. On the question of civil liability, it should be ...

Lord Dubs | 711 c612-3 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendments 11 and 28, both of which are in this group. I welcome the fact that the ...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 711 c617 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister thereby recognise that, in many cases, a full and accurate statement of the facts ...

Lord Bach | 711 c617 (Link to this contribution) As I am advised, coroners could refer to such matters as the noble Lord raises—inadequate provision ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 711 c617 (Link to this contribution) I am not so much concerned with the person but with the Ministry of Defence, for example.

Lord Bach | 711 c617 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it—I want to be very careful to answer the noble Lord as accurately as I can—the ans...

Lord Bach | 711 c617-8 (Link to this contribution) Not for the first time, I agree with the noble Lord. It would be a fallacy to divide those two thing...

Lord Alderdice | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) In precisely the terms that the Minister himself used, coroners have to tread very carefully. That i...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) Criminal liability may involve other factors such as guilty mind, but from the point of view of the ...

Lord Bach | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) I can say only a little about guidance, but I should have thought that what the noble Baroness has s...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his explanation and for correctly interpreting the intention behind all of ...

Lord Bach | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) I certainly hope not.

Bishop of Winchester | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) What is the impact of Schedule 4(6) on page 127, to which reference is made in the clauses we are di...

Lord Bach | 711 c619 (Link to this contribution) If we look together at paragraph 6 of Schedule 4, it reads: ""Where … a senior coroner has been cond...

Bishop of Winchester | 711 c618 (Link to this contribution) I can understand the noble Lord saying that. My question is whether that is the case.

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c619-20 (Link to this contribution) I thank everyone who has taken part in the debate on this group of amendments, and not least the nob...

Lord Pannick | 711 c624-5 (Link to this contribution) I, too, support the amendments that have been proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, and the n...

Lord Bach | 711 c625-7 (Link to this contribution) I intend to be fairly brief in my response. As the noble Lord, Lord Kingsland, indicated, these are ...

Lord Bach | 711 c621 (Link to this contribution) Clause 7: Whether jury required Amendment 14 14: Clause 7, page 4, leave out line 18

Lord Bach | 711 c621-2 (Link to this contribution) Following the announcement on 15 May by my right honourable friend the Lord Chancellor, the governme...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c622-4 (Link to this contribution) My Amendments 33 to 36 are grouped with the government amendments. The Minister is right, there is a...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c624 (Link to this contribution) I have considerable sympathy with the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Miller, but toni...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c620 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 13A 13A: Clause 6, page 4, line 14, at end insert— "( ) The senior coroner shall maintain...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c620 (Link to this contribution) I wish briefly to support my noble friend Lady Finlay in moving this amendment. In the previous grou...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c562-3 (Link to this contribution) I have added my name to the amendment that has already been discussed by my noble friend Lord Alton,...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 711 c559-61 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 2 stands in this group and is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Finlay of Llanda...

Lord Dubs | 711 c561-2 (Link to this contribution) I would like to speak to Amendment 3 in my name. This stems from the work of the Joint Committee on ...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c558 (Link to this contribution) Clause 1: Duty to investigate certain deaths Amendment 1 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 9, at end inser...

Lord Kingsland | 711 c559 (Link to this contribution) As your Lordships will see, the amendment seeks clarification from the Government that the jurisdict...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 711 c568-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 13 is grouped with Amendments 4 and 6. The noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, made several impor...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 711 c621 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that assurance. My amendment was intended to probe and to make sur...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c582-3 (Link to this contribution) Let us be clear what the debate is all about. I have listened to a construct of a different basis on...

Lord Davies of Oldham | 711 c621 (Link to this contribution) I acknowledge that accurate recordkeeping is a vital part of the coroner’s role and can help to iden...

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