Debate on a motion that this House has considered the matter of Welsh affairs. Agreed to on question. (Relevant documents: Welsh Affairs Select Committee reports HC 57 2008-09 and HC 184 2008-09).
Welsh Affairs
Debate on Thursday, 26 February 2009,
in the House of Commons,
led by Lord Murphy of Torfaen.
The answering
member was Cheryl Gillan.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
488 c407-71
Session
2008-09
Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamber
Cross-border provision of public services for Wales: further and higher education. Welsh Affairs Select Committee first report with formal minutes and evidence (HC 401-viii-xii 2007-08 not printed separately).
Tuesday, 16 December 2008
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Tuesday, 16 December 2008
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Globalisation and its impact on Wales. Welsh Affairs Select Committee second report in 2 volumes with formal minutes and evidence (HC 281-i-xvii 2006-07 and HC 34-i-xii 2007-08 not printed separately).
Tuesday, 27 January 2009
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Tuesday, 27 January 2009
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 488 c424 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Before I call the next Member to speak, may I remind the House that Mr. Speaker has placed a ...
Lembit Opik | 488 c447-51 (Link to this contribution)
It is clear that, as in previous recessions, manufacturing in Wales has suffered more than any other...
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Lord Touhig | 488 c446-7 (Link to this contribution)
That could be a question for scrutiny by the Welsh Affairs Committee. I am sure that hon. Members on...
Dai Davies | 488 c453-5 (Link to this contribution)
People in my constituency have campaigned against the funding formula for local government for more ...
Julie Morgan | 488 c451-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is great that we are holding this debate, celebrating St. David's day three days early. When I wa...
Lord Touhig | 488 c456 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend recognise that when we were councillors together, we made great strides in putti...
Paul Flynn | 488 c455-6 (Link to this contribution)
The problems of the credit crunch in my constituency mainly affect the manufacturing sector. At one ...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c457-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am the only English Member of Parliament to speak in the debate and I look forward to presenting a...
Paul Flynn | 488 c457 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend tempts me: I came into politics as the secretary of an organisation to set up W...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
I believe that we have. It is important that the Government introduce English regional debates.
I b...
Lord Touhig | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
In view of the hon. Gentleman's comments, I hope that the Conservative party will submit names for t...
David Jones | 488 c463 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested in that last point. Does the hon. Gentleman know what the leader of Plaid Cymru in t...
Albert Owen | 488 c460-3 (Link to this contribution)
It really is a pleasure to follow an English MP in this debate on Welsh day. I am very pleased to be...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c459-60 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, my main duty is to England and I speak on behalf of my constituents.
T...
Roger Williams | 488 c459 (Link to this contribution)
Has the hon. Gentleman checked that point of view with the leader of the Conservatives in the Welsh ...
Lembit Opik | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
But I have only one airport.
Lembit Opik | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman gets the figures right, but he must also recognise that the geographical area tha...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is luckier than most because he flies around in his little plane. He has taken me...
Speaker | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The debate is about Welsh Affairs. However strongly the hon. Gentleman feels about issues tha...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c458 (Link to this contribution)
Very much so, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was about to mention Montgomeryshire, which is the seat next t...
Albert Owen | 488 c464 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way again. I am very short of time, and I want my hon. Friend the Member for Llanell...
David Jones | 488 c466-9 (Link to this contribution)
As is the case with most St. David's day debates, this one has been thoughtful and generally good-na...
Nia Griffith | 488 c464-6 (Link to this contribution)
At this time, we are all rightly concerned about the economy. Every job loss is a devastating blow f...
Wayne David | 488 c469-71 (Link to this contribution)
It gives me great pleasure to respond to this St. David's day debate. As far as I am aware, he was n...
Albert Owen | 488 c463 (Link to this contribution)
That is an interesting question, and that is what dismays me. The environmental spokesperson and the...
Adam Price | 488 c463 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Albert Owen | 488 c463 (Link to this contribution)
I will, but I want my speech to be brief.
Adam Price | 488 c463 (Link to this contribution)
What is the position of the Labour Environment Minister in the Welsh Assembly Government? What, inde...
Albert Owen | 488 c463 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is trying to confuse the issue even further. I have lobbied the Minister of State...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c410 (Link to this contribution)
It certainly is. I am buying a car myself this Sunday.
Stephen Crabb | 488 c410 (Link to this contribution)
Someone is doing all right, then.
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c410 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is right to ask those questions. I hope that I will be able to give her a bit more det...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c410 (Link to this contribution)
Just one second—I am still answering the hon. Lady.
The bulk of the financing comes from the Europe...
Lord Hain | 488 c409 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend speak with those who are responsible for setting the precept for the South...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c409-10 (Link to this contribution)
I am interested to know how ProAct is working. The ““Real help now”” document produced by the Welsh ...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c409 (Link to this contribution)
Like my right hon. Friend, I have spoken to the chief constable on this subject. She came to London ...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c408-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am aware of that. A week or two ago, the hon. Gentleman and I met to discuss those issues with bus...
Lembit Opik | 488 c408 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State knows that I am sympathetic to and fairly supportive of the measures that the...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c407-8 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That this House has considered the matter of Welsh Affairs."
Before starting today's...
Albert Owen | 488 c443 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right to refer to localism. A network that already exists in Wales, based on t...
Lord Touhig | 488 c444-5 (Link to this contribution)
No one could have predicted that a problem that began with banks in America would lead to people thr...
Adam Price | 488 c445 (Link to this contribution)
I should be interested to hear the right hon. Gentleman's response to my practical and relevant sugg...
Lord Touhig | 488 c445-6 (Link to this contribution)
I was very happy to give way to the architect of ““new Plaid””, and I do think that he had some very...
David Jones | 488 c446 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is making a very important point about the Welsh language LCO. Does he agre...
Lord Touhig | 488 c446 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point, and I shall answer it in a moment.
It is not good enou...
Madeleine Moon | 488 c446 (Link to this contribution)
Does my right hon. Friend agree that it would be helpful to have a clear understanding of how much w...
John P Smith | 488 c439 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with every word that the hon. Gentleman just said. Indeed, he should forgive me if I have no...
Lembit Opik | 488 c439 (Link to this contribution)
I applaud the cross-party work that the hon. Gentleman has done to secure those jobs. Does he agree ...
David Jones | 488 c439 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman will know, we on the Conservative Benches also strongly support the St. Athan ...
John P Smith | 488 c440 (Link to this contribution)
I gave notice—I have been in the House long enough to realise that I should do that. What I am doing...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c440 (Link to this contribution)
As the neighbour of my hon. Friend the Member for The Wrekin (Mark Pritchard), may I say that he is ...
John P Smith | 488 c439 (Link to this contribution)
Of course I agree with that.
St. Athan has been a huge success story for Wales and for Welsh politi...
Stephen Crabb | 488 c440 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman's passion and commitment to the St. Athan project. We would all reco...
Adam Price | 488 c441-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Vale of Glamorgan (John Smith), who is clearly provin...
Roger Williams | 488 c430 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right to emphasise the loss of tax office services to small businesses. In these d...
Mark Williams | 488 c430 (Link to this contribution)
I take my hon. Friend's point, but the sad reality for inspections across mid-Wales and the extremit...
Lord Hain | 488 c433-5 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the House, as I will have to leave almost straight after I sit down; I have to go to ...
Stephen Crabb | 488 c435-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to participate once again in the annual, not-quite-St. David's day debate on Welsh ...
John P Smith | 488 c438-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the annual Welsh affairs debate. We do not have many o...
Lembit Opik | 488 c431 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is a feisty campaigner in defence of rural HMRC offices. Does he agree that one of th...
Mark Williams | 488 c431 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly agree and I thank my hon. Friend for that contribution. We are still trying to get the e...
Mark Williams | 488 c431-3 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention and pay tribute to his work trying to defend the of...
Hywel Francis | 488 c425 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman will read the account of what my hon. Friend has just said. We hav...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c430 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it is vital for local authorities to do more to give contracts to...
Mark Williams | 488 c430 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention. That action is certainly being taken by my local a...
Speaker | 488 c427 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman has had his due time.
Mark Williams | 488 c427-30 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. May I begin by associating Liberal Democrat Members with the profound...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c426 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful that the hon. Gentleman is talking about the cross-border issue. He probably knows tha...
Hywel Francis | 488 c426-7 (Link to this contribution)
We have made some observations on that matter. We have not done anything about roundabouts in Shrews...
Hywel Francis | 488 c426 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention and congratulate her on the sterling work that she has ...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c421 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman and I could appear in a commercial for Wales on that front. We should be taking t...
Albert Owen | 488 c421 (Link to this contribution)
I hope to catch Mr. Deputy Speaker's eye and speak on the Wylfa issue a little later, but on tourism...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point on behalf of his constituency but I give him an assurance that, wh...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c422 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend will know that the vast bulk of tourism to mid-Wales goes through Shrewsbury. On the ...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c423-4 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I should like to make a little progress. I am sure that he wi...
Hywel Francis | 488 c424-5 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to make a contribution to this debate from two perspectives: that of an individual Member—for...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c421 (Link to this contribution)
I would have to differ from my hon. Friend in that I do not think that the hon. Gentleman was exhibi...
Albert Owen | 488 c425 (Link to this contribution)
Was my hon. Friend as disappointed as I was, as a member of that Committee, to read those comments f...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c420 (Link to this contribution)
No, I do not agree. I have flown along the pipeline and have met and talked to the chief engineer. I...
Roger Williams | 488 c420 (Link to this contribution)
The LNG pipeline might have been an engineering success but it has caused considerable environmental...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c419-20 (Link to this contribution)
I will come to that in just a second. Before I do so, let me say that we need an energy strategy tha...
John P Smith | 488 c419 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady take this opportunity to endorse the view expressed by the Leader of the Oppositi...
Adam Price | 488 c420 (Link to this contribution)
The pipeline also goes through my constituency, so I know that it has caused a scar across the lengt...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c420 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention.
Stephen Crabb | 488 c420 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend responded very well to the point made by the hon. Member for Brecon and Radnorshire (...
David TC Davies | 488 c420-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who is making a very important point. Does she agree that if we fol...
Lord Hain | 488 c417-8 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady mentioned Conservative policy on banking. Has she read the letters page in today's Fin...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c418 (Link to this contribution)
I will, although I hope that the hon. Gentleman will make a contribution later. He usually intervene...
Lembit Opik | 488 c418 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c416-7 (Link to this contribution)
First, I thank the Secretary of State for his kind words to David and Samantha Cameron and their fam...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c417 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is well known for his innovative early-day motions and other matters, but individual ...
David TC Davies | 488 c417 (Link to this contribution)
Will my hon. Friend recommend an early-day motion, which I tabled and many Labour Members have suppo...
Lembit Opik | 488 c418 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the hon. Lady's generosity and I shall try not to storm out in a fit of pique.
Do...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c418-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman does not need my endorsement about accountants' fees for dealing with bankruptcie...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c413-4 (Link to this contribution)
That is excellent news, and I congratulate my hon. Friend on that news for his constituency and his ...
Albert Owen | 488 c413 (Link to this contribution)
On the economy, I am sure that my right hon. Friend will join me in welcoming today's announcement b...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c413 (Link to this contribution)
The Under-Secretary of State for Wales, my hon. Friend the Member for Caerphilly (Mr. David) will gi...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c413 (Link to this contribution)
Could I press the Secretary of State to give us more details on the announcement on Wylfa? I have se...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c412-3 (Link to this contribution)
That is a very good idea, and I will certainly follow it through. The Deputy First Minister in Wales...
Adam Price | 488 c412 (Link to this contribution)
The generosity of the Secretary of State knows no bounds. I think that almost everyone has intervene...
David TC Davies | 488 c415 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the real problem that no matter what goes into the final order, the Welsh Assembly will end u...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c415-6 (Link to this contribution)
The order will define the parameters of what the Welsh Assembly is able to legislate on. It will sta...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c415 (Link to this contribution)
The notes that the Secretary of State has sent out accompanying the draft order set out possible eff...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c415 (Link to this contribution)
Government Departments, of course, do have the opportunity to comment upon legislation. The BBC will...
Philip Dunne | 488 c412 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State has been regaling the Chamber with the work that the Government are doing to ...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c412 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot give a reassurance about rumours, but I will certainly take the issue up with my right hon....
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c410-1 (Link to this contribution)
I have had to go to the banks as well.
The hon. Member for Brecon and Radnorshire (Mr. Williams) ma...
Stephen Crabb | 488 c411 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State is arguing that there is a unique partnership at work between central Governm...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c411-2 (Link to this contribution)
If things are worse in Wales than elsewhere, it is much more important to have more schemes to help ...
Lembit Opik | 488 c411 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State is aware that Flowform in Welshpool has shut rather suddenly and Stadco in Ll...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c411 (Link to this contribution)
The Government can help in a variety of ways not only companies, but the people who need retraining ...
Roger Williams | 488 c410 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Secretary of State for giving way and apologise for intervening at an inopportune moment...
Stephen Crabb | 488 c431 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the irony that in recent years HMRC has deliberately devoted more resources to targeting big ...
Julie Morgan | 488 c425 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend says that his Committee has generally been concentrating on the economy. May I say ho...
Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 488 c412 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that there has been an announcement today on the extension of Wylfa, but I have worked ...
Daniel Kawczynski | 488 c458-9 (Link to this contribution)
I want to consider proportional representation in Wales. I am joint chairman, with the hon. Member f...
Roger Williams | 488 c410 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Secretary of State give way?
Adam Price | 488 c443-4 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree. Credit unions could be part of this new mixed economy in banking and financial s...
John P Smith | 488 c440-1 (Link to this contribution)
We have an overriding responsibility to behave responsibly. I will leave it at that, because I gain ...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c420 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry but the hon. Gentleman reveals his isolationist credentials. I cannot agree with him at a...
David TC Davies | 488 c412 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way; he is being generous. Could he reassure...
Cheryl Gillan | 488 c418 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman obviously has more time on his hands than I have. What with preparing for t...
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