House of Lords (Members' Taxation Status) Bill (HL). Queen's consent signified. Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question and committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
House of Lords (Members' Taxation Status) Bill [HL]
Debate on bills on Friday, 23 January 2009,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay.
The answering
member was Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.
Type
Parliamentary proceeding
Reference
706 c1851-75 
Session
2008-09
Legislative stage
Second reading
Chamber / Committee
House of Lords chamber
Proceeding contributions
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1874 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as far as I am concerned, Members of this House should pay full British taxes and that is ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1875 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not wish to fall out with the Minister on that because in general terms I agree about...
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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 706 c1875 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord said that this was a marginal issue compared with the general principles. H...
Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 706 c1873 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the noble Lord not missing something? Although the Mr Abramoviches of this world do not...
Lord Strathclyde | 706 c1874 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if that is going to be the standard of debate that we will have in Committee, then bring i...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in all honesty, I can only assume that the noble Viscount is wilfully misunderstanding the...
Viscount Astor | 706 c1861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord has again proved that he does not really understand the difference between ...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1864 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with some of the principles the noble Lord has outlined, but they should be applie...
Lord Lipsey | 706 c1862-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend is right, there are still true believers—there is no faith so absurd as no...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 706 c1862 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may inform my noble friend that there are still some true believers.
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 706 c1866-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Bill is about Members of this House taking responsibility as legislators in the UK to ...
Lord Strathclyde | 706 c1867-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad that the noble Lord has put that right and I hope that he will now start to supp...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 706 c1869-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I say first to the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, that, like the noble Lord, Lord Strathclyde...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1872 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. I should probably start by apologising to the nob...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1872 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the principle is clear and I am sorry if I did not fully get it across.
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1858 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have great support for the Liberal Democrats, but I do not support this particular issue...
Lord Goodhart | 706 c1860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord for his correction of my mistake.
Lord Goodhart | 706 c1860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness is broadly right but as I understand it, the £30,000 basis is an option...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1855 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am rather aghast at the moment. I assumed that the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, would not...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 706 c1854-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that will be the thought going through the minds of people in Burton-on-Trent. I am not ta...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 706 c1854 (Link to this contribution)
They are not going to blame Brown, they are going to blame those greedy people in the City of London...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 706 c1851 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen to acquaint the House that Her Majesty, ha...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1851-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Britain is officially in recession. The spectre of deflation looms large. Retail prices ha...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1851 (Link to this contribution)
That the Bill be read a second time.
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1873-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are drifting slightly off the point. I do not know how up to date the noble Lord, Lord ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1874 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I reiterate: would the he care to insert the words ““full British taxes”” into what he jus...
Viscount Astor | 706 c1861-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord did say in his speech that it was on the basis, but of course his Bill cont...
Lord Goodhart | 706 c1861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that the noble Viscount has not understood what I said, although I thought that it...
Viscount Astor | 706 c1861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that makes absolutely no sense because you cannot be taxed on a basis that you are not a p...
Lord Lipsey | 706 c1862 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, no one should be even faintly surprised that noble Lords opposite are trying to get straig...
Lord Teverson | 706 c1864 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord. But this House has a responsibility to put its own house in o...
Lord Trefgarne | 706 c1864-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the basic principle is one with which many noble Lords will agree. I say to the noble Lord...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 706 c1865-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a serious issue. It concerns the reputation of this House, and of the Conservative...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1866 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a problem: I am a Scottish Baron with an English barony registered in Scotland and ...
Lord Trefgarne | 706 c1867 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord has made a number of remarks about the Conservative Party generally. Is he ...
Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 706 c1867 (Link to this contribution)
Of course not, my Lords, and we shall do our best to sort that out—as I am sure the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Lipsey | 706 c1867 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not quoted as saying any such thing in the Times. They put that headline on my piece...
Lord Goodhart | 706 c1870 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the Minister agree that the £30,000 would be chicken feed for some of the very rich p...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 706 c1871-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I have said, we think that the £30,000 annual charge is a reasonable basis on which to ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1872 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry, but that would be for the future. No one will become a Member of this House on...
Viscount Astor | 706 c1872 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt, but the Appointments Commission, as I understand it, deals with r...
Viscount Astor | 706 c1872 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Oakeshott, has repeated his mantra, but the problem is that that is n...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 706 c1873 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, moving on, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lea, for his support. He made a very powerful poin...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 706 c1873 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, noble Lords may find this helpful. The noble Lord, Lord Jay of Ewelme, gave evidence to a ...
Lord McNally | 706 c1858 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Lord looks at the records, he will find that the record of voting by the Libe...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1858 (Link to this contribution)
I might point out, my Lords, that a Private Member’s Bill in your Lordships' House costs £100,000 if...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 706 c1860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as a non-domicile, I must correct many of the statements the noble Lord, Lord Goodhart, ha...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1859-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, trying to correct someone of such eminence is very shaming for me, but I should say that t...
Lord Goodhart | 706 c1858-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have resisted with some reluctance the temptation to move a resolution that the noble Lo...
Lord Goodhart | 706 c1861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Viscount for giving way. Nothing in this Bill says that such people cann...
Viscount Astor | 706 c1860-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, politics, rather like the weather, has seasons; spring, summer, autumn and winter. But pol...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1855-8 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords, not ““Shame””; that is the normal behaviour of the Liberal Democrat party.
I have the...
Lord Strathclyde | 706 c1854 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. Is it not true that the Prime Minister and the Labo...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 706 c1854 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very glad that the noble Lord asked that question. The City of London is a big part o...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 706 c1853-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much welcome the Bill, although it might have been nicer to discuss it on a cruise ...
Lord Selsdon | 706 c1874 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we must look at double taxation agreements.
Lord Teverson | 706 c1863-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, not being an expert on taxation, I, too, wish to address the principles of the Bill. It ha...
Lord Strathclyde | 706 c1867 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad to hear that the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, takes these matters so seriously. Onc...
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