Parliamentary search - Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill

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699 c1516-56

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2007-08

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Ministry of Justice

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Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Brought from the Commons. In two volumes. (Explanatory Note HL Bill 16-EN published).
Wednesday, 9 January 2008
Bills
House of Lords

Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. As amended in Committee. In two volumes.
Wednesday, 12 March 2008
Bills
House of Lords

Deposited Paper DEP2008-1168
Wednesday, 16 April 2008
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Monson | 699 c1519 (Link to this contribution) Although the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, made an interesting and pretty convincing argument...

Earl of Onslow | 699 c1519 (Link to this contribution) ““Paediatrics””—I thank your Lordships for helping me with my oratory. One must be very careful abou...

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Earl of Onslow | 699 c1519 (Link to this contribution) Two things struck me about what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, said. One was: what happens if someone ...

Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 699 c1523 (Link to this contribution) I wish to ask a question that is not intended to be a trick question and may turn out to be a silly ...

Lord Neill of Bladen | 699 c1522 (Link to this contribution) As written, new Section 327A(1) of the Criminal Justice Act 2003, under Clause 191 of the Bill, stat...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1519-22 (Link to this contribution) A number of amendments have been tabled to Clause 191 both by the Government and by the noble Lords,...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 699 c1518-9 (Link to this contribution) I very much support the amendment. This is one of those areas where I think many of us feel that far...

Lord Bach | 699 c1516-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, I beg to move that the House do now...

Lord Bach | 699 c1530-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords who spoke to Amendment No. 177A, which draws attention to the provision...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1528-9 (Link to this contribution) Our general approach to this group of amendments is that we would like education to be used as the f...

Lord Henley | 699 c1527-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177AA: 177AA: Clause 194, page 138, line 14, at end insert— ““( ) In section 7...

Lord Bach | 699 c1527 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177A: 177A: Schedule 34, page 316, line 2, at end insert— ““and section 48 of ...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 699 c1527 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord recognised, our concern is to ensure that the safeguards are adequate. While we un...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1526-7 (Link to this contribution) I accept the spirit of this amendment and acknowledge the particular issues that arise when a MAPPA ...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 699 c1525-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177ZA: 177ZA: Clause 191, page 135, line 22, at end insert— ““( ) Where the re...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1524 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 175A to 175B: 175A: Clause 191, page 135, line 2, leave out ““children gener...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 699 c1524 (Link to this contribution) That is a valid point, because only in very exceptional circumstances will the court sit in camera t...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1524 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 176A: 176A: Clause 191, page 135, line 11, leave out from ““disclosure”” to en...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1523 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I did not really make myself clear to the noble Baroness. If there is a breach of the condit...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 699 c1523 (Link to this contribution) I want to clarify the Minister’s remarks on Amendment No. 177. As I understood him, he said in respo...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 699 c1523-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his considered reply. We are also very grateful for the way in whi...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1523 (Link to this contribution) The noble and learned Lord raises an interesting point, to which I do not have an exact answer. I wo...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1523 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble and learned Lord is probably absolutely right and that it probably is done on...

Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 699 c1523 (Link to this contribution) Wherever a presumption is targeted, one looks to see whether there is a means by which that can be r...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1538 (Link to this contribution) I must comment on the noble Baroness’s remarks on education. The Speaker of your Lordships’ House ha...

Lord Bach | 699 c1538-40 (Link to this contribution) It is perhaps not surprising that the Committee shows great interest in this important social proble...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1538 (Link to this contribution) I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Henley, was very brave when he moved his amendment. Indeed, he s...

Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 699 c1538 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that education works very well in this matter. The more you tell young people not to s...

Lord Henley | 699 c1540 (Link to this contribution) I cannot say I received overwhelming support for this amendment. As I made clear earlier, I am alway...

Lord Bach | 699 c1538 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl does not yet know what I am going to say.

Earl of Onslow | 699 c1537 (Link to this contribution) I will briefly make an extra comment: this is the first time that the Government have had any suppor...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 699 c1537 (Link to this contribution) I disagree; the police need a DNA database.

Lord Bach | 699 c1544-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Faulkner for his amendment and to all noble Lords who have spo...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 699 c1545-6 (Link to this contribution) I am a little overwhelmed by the degree of support for the amendment from all parts of the Committee...

Lord Bach | 699 c1546 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177C: 177C: Schedule 35, page 316, line 10, leave out from beginning to ““In””...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 699 c1546 (Link to this contribution) The Minister may recall that I was involved in the passage of the Armed Forces Bill. I declare an in...

Lord Monson | 699 c1542 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, and I have crossed swords over tobacco on many occasions in the past ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 699 c1543 (Link to this contribution) I do not wish to prolong the debate, as the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, has most eloquently said most...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1542 (Link to this contribution) As is so often the case, the noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, has come up with an interesting and sensible...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 699 c1543 (Link to this contribution) I also very much support the amendment. All of the briefing we have had from ASH and others makes th...

Lord Henley | 699 c1533 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177AB: 177AB: Clause 194, page 138, line 32, leave out ““one year”” and insert...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1533-4 (Link to this contribution) The amendments that we have more problems supporting are those that suggest that the ban should stay...

Lord Bach | 699 c1533 (Link to this contribution) I want to give my noble friend whatever assurance I can. I do not know whether I can give him the ac...

Lord Henley | 699 c1533 (Link to this contribution) I will try to bear this in mind in April 2009, although we may have other things on our minds at tha...

Lord Bach | 699 c1532 (Link to this contribution) If Parliament passes these measures, it is not likely that they will come into force until April 200...

Lord Graham of Edmonton | 699 c1532 (Link to this contribution) If the voices of 90 per cent of the retail trade and 33,000 small traders combine to disagree with t...

Lord Bach | 699 c1532 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord suggesting that the statute should distinguish small retailers from large supermar...

Lord Henley | 699 c1532 (Link to this contribution) No, I was not suggesting that. The noble Lord and I know perfectly well that the problem is more lik...

Lord Henley | 699 c1531-2 (Link to this contribution) It would be churlish of me not to thank the noble Lord for giving me at least some of what I asked f...

Lord Bach | 699 c1531 (Link to this contribution) Although I understand that that is what the guidance will do, it is subject to consultation with all...

Lord Monson | 699 c1536-7 (Link to this contribution) I, too, find subsection (2) rather sinister because it seems to encourage agent provocateurs. Subsec...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 699 c1537 (Link to this contribution) I would never want to be seen to speak up on behalf on anyone trying to sell tobacco to those who ar...

Lord Monson | 699 c1537 (Link to this contribution) Does my noble friend agree that another adverse consequence is that the young person in question wou...

Lord Henley | 699 c1535 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for that. There is no desperate hurry; he can write to me in due course to le...

Earl of Onslow | 699 c1536 (Link to this contribution) No, please let us not make any more offences. There are enough of them cluttering up the children’s ...

Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 699 c1536 (Link to this contribution) May I ask the noble Lord, Lord Henley, for a little clarification? Proposed new subsection (2) state...

Lord Bach | 699 c1534-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Henley, for moving the amendment and to the noble Baroness for...

Lord Bach | 699 c1535 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not answering that. I do not know the answer to that question, but no doubt I can fi...

Lord Henley | 699 c1535 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for his response. I have only one question. Was I right in saying that there ...

Lord Bach | 699 c1556 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 184A: 184A: Clause 201, page 145, line 13, at end insert— ““( ) section (Blasp...

Lord Bach | 699 c1556 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 185: 185: In the Title, line 2, leave out from ““defaulters;”” to ““to”” in li...

Lord Bach | 699 c1556 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 181 to 184ZA: 181: Clause 200, page 143, line 4, leave out subsection (2) ...

Lord Bach | 699 c1546 (Link to this contribution) That seems an extremely reasonable request. I would like to come back to the noble Lord when I have ...

Lord Bach | 699 c1546-52 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 177D to 177N: 177D: Schedule 35, page 316, line 23, leave out from beginning...

Lord Bach | 699 c1552-3 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177P: 177P: Clause 196, page 141, line 12, at end insert— ““(2A) Subject to su...

Lord Bach | 699 c1553 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 177Q to 178ZZA: 177Q: Clause 196, page 141, line 13, after ““containing”” in...

Lord Bach | 699 c1553 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 178ZA: 178ZA: Schedule 36, page 322, leave out lines 22 to 26 On Question, am...

Lord Bach | 699 c1553-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 178A: 178A: Schedule 36, page 327, line 28, at end insert— ““Criminal Justice ...

Lord Bach | 699 c1554-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 180ZZA to 180ZA: 180ZZA: Schedule 37, page 339, line 4, leave out ““sections...

Lord Bach | 699 c1554 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 178AA to 180: 178AA: Schedule 36, page 330, line 31, leave out paragraph 39 ...

Lord Bach | 699 c1555-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 180G: 180G: After Clause 199, insert the following new Clause— ““Effect of ame...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 699 c1517-8 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 175: 175: Clause 191, page 134, line 34, leave out ““presumption”” and insert ...

Lord Graham of Edmonton | 699 c1531 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister deal with my point that trading standards officers who receive evidence and are sa...

Lord West of Spithead | 699 c1522-3 (Link to this contribution) No criminal proceedings or anything can be taken against a MAPPA authority if it does not fulfil the...

Lord Graham of Edmonton | 699 c1529-30 (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as an officer of the All-Party Parliamentary Retail Industry Group, which is s...

Earl of Onslow | 699 c1543-4 (Link to this contribution) It is worth recalling how things have changed enormously in relation to tobacco over the past 50 yea...

Lord Bach | 699 c1555 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 180A to 180F: 180A: Schedule 38, page 351, line 41, column 2, leave out ““Se...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 699 c1540-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177B: 177B: Clause 194, page 140, line 33, at end insert— ““(4) After section ...

Lord Henley | 699 c1536 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 177AG: 177AG: Clause 194, page 140, line 29, at end insert— ““12E Purchase of ...

Earl of Onslow | 699 c1524 (Link to this contribution) Would the very fact of going to court not also publicise the damage that has already been done? I th...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 699 c1537 (Link to this contribution) I rather side with the view of the noble Earl, Lord Onslow; that is, that it would not be right to a...

Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 699 c1543 (Link to this contribution) Above all, on this important problem, we have to change the fashion among teenagers for smoking. Tha...

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