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European Union (Amendment) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Tuesday, 26 February 2008, in the House of Commons.
European Union (Amendment) Bill. Committee stage seventh day. Amendment 222 negatived on division (175 votes to 285). Amendment 186 negatived on division (154 votes to 300).
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Parliamentary proceeding
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472 c986-1040 
Session
2007-08
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Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Legislative stage
Committee stage
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House of Commons chamber
Related items
European Union (Amendment) Bill. (Explanatory note Bill 48-EN published).
Monday, 17 December 2007
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Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 472 c923-5 (Link to this contribution) Order. The outrage to the House is in danger of being the hon. Gentleman's attitude to the Chair—[In...
Speaker | 472 c923-5 (Link to this contribution) Order. The outrage to the House is in danger of being the hon. Gentleman's attitude to the Chair—[In...

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Speaker | 472 c925 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think that that must be the end of it.
Speaker | 472 c923 (Link to this contribution) Order. We are simply wasting time. I am not prepared to take any more points of order on the selecti...
Julia Goldsworthy | 472 c923 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Speaker | 472 c922 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have dealt with the point of order.
Speaker | 472 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) If it is a separate point of order, I am prepared to take it. ...All the hon. Gentleman has done i...
Simon Hughes | 472 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) On a separate point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ... I have raised procedural questions about the ...
Speaker | 472 c922 (Link to this contribution) Order. I understand the hon. Gentleman's point of order, but having made it he must not go on and st...
Ed Davey | 472 c922 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. Will the Chair reconsider the decision not to select the Li...
Speaker | 472 c922 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have made the situation quite clear to hon. Members. I am sorry if they do not accept it—
Nick Clegg | 472 c922 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I share the dismay of my hon. Friend the Member ...
Speaker | 472 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) No, there can be no further point of order. We must now get on with the debate. ...Order. The hon. ...
William Cash | 472 c922-3 (Link to this contribution) Further to that point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ...On a separate point of order, Mr. Deputy Spe...
Speaker | 472 c925 (Link to this contribution) Order. I have had enough. I would be grateful if the Minister got to his feet to start the debate.
Jim Murphy | 472 c924 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Deputy Speaker—[Interruption.]
Speaker | 472 c923-5 (Link to this contribution) Order. The outrage to the House is in danger of being the hon. Gentleman's attitude to the Chair—[In...
Rob Marris | 472 c1021-2 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman had been here from the start, he would know that there are about 12 amendments...
Kelvin Hopkins | 472 c1022 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend talks about a two-way street. The fact is that we have a gigantic trade deficit with ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) One of the key things we are discussing with regard to the amendments is competences—who does what. ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1022 (Link to this contribution) Hyperbole does not help my hon. Friend's case. Yes, there is a deficit, but to say that the EU impor...
Desmond Swayne | 472 c1022-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman should be aware that the amendments concern the institutional arrangements. In th...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1021 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman does not have the benefit of eyes in the back of his head, which would enable him...
Rob Marris | 472 c1021 (Link to this contribution) I do not know a great deal about fisheries—
Sion Simon | 472 c1020 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman started off by telling us what a good European he is, but he will have noticed th...
Charles Hendry | 472 c1024 (Link to this contribution) I was not in the Chamber when the hon. Gentleman began speaking, but I have just been made aware of ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1024 (Link to this contribution) Order. The House must not be tempted to have another debate on energy, which we have already dealt w...
James Clappison | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes his case with conviction, but will he face up to the fact that it is neithe...
Rob Marris | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman knows the treaty better than I do. The provisions on harmonisation—he used the wo...
Rob Marris | 472 c1024 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman wants to point out the reference to me later, he may do so.
David Heathcoat-Amory | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman totally misrepresents my response. My point was this: why should I give up 100 pe...
Rob Marris | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) That is a bad piece of hyperbole. Giving up 100 per cent. of rights on the one hand and possibly gai...
Mark Pritchard | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) On energy and the one-way street, is not it the case that there is no single energy policy for Europ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1023 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that the hon. Gentleman will vote with the Government on the treaty because the si...
Mark Francois | 472 c1028 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that contribution. He is quite right about the ““pernicious nature”” of r...
Mark Francois | 472 c1026-8 (Link to this contribution) I begin my response to this group of amendments by briefly making a point about timing. We have deba...
William Cash | 472 c1028 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree, as I explained earlier in some detail, that this is the most pernicious e...
Kelvin Hopkins | 472 c1026 (Link to this contribution) Many of us supported widening because we thought that it was a way of avoiding deepening, but the tr...
Rob Marris | 472 c1026 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right that there is some deepening in the treaty, but had John Major no...
Baroness Hoey | 472 c1025 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has spent a lot of time going through the treaty. He is so positive about every angle...
Rob Marris | 472 c1025-6 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to get into a big debate on the referendum, because it is raised endlessly in this pl...
Mark Harper | 472 c1024 (Link to this contribution) It was the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee who boasted about our increase in the share of ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1024-5 (Link to this contribution) It should be quite clear to the hon. Gentleman and others that I am paraphrasing the flavour and ten...
Rob Marris | 472 c1024 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that guidance. Let me say briefly—we are not rehearsing the debate—that my recolle...
Mark Francois | 472 c1028-9 (Link to this contribution) If that pleases the Chair, Conservative Members would be delighted to follow my hon. Friend into the...
William Cash | 472 c1029-30 (Link to this contribution) We shall have an opportunity to consider some of these matters again tomorrow, but let me say this t...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1029 (Link to this contribution) That was a ludicrous and ill-founded assertion. It is an insult to so many who have given so much fo...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1029 (Link to this contribution) We have had a good debate. The hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) displayed great passion, if on occas...
Alex Salmond | 472 c1031 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has alluded, it rests on court decisions—before 1981, specifically on the Kramer cas...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1030-1 (Link to this contribution) One of the amendments tabled by the hon. Member for Stone attacks an important principle by seeking ...
Mark Francois | 472 c1030 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Wolverhampton, South-West was also alone in supporting the Government, with the ...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1030 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman made a similar point about the Maastricht treaty, the treaty of Amsterdam and the...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1031-2 (Link to this contribution) What is absolutely clear is that article 3(d) of the treaty on the functioning of the European Union...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1032 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must not have these interventions from sedentary positions across the Chamber.
Russell Brown | 472 c1032 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Member for Moray (Angus Robertson) pointed out, the Fishermen's Association Ltd has writ...
William Cash | 472 c1032-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving me a few minutes to reply to some of those points. First, m...
Jim Murphy | 472 c1032 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Dumfries and Galloway (Mr. Brown) is right to raise this issue. The ho...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1019 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a good point, which underlines the fact that this unsustainable polic...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 472 c1019 (Link to this contribution) Before the hon. Gentleman finishes, will he comment on the loss of not only the stocks that are thro...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1019-20 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes an important point; I hope that he will join us in the Lobby tonight, if we...
William Cash | 472 c1019 (Link to this contribution) Has the hon. Gentleman considered the question of salmon fishing in tidal waters, for example? Altho...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c991 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps now the hon. Gentleman will get back to his amendment, which I am sure he wishes to s...
William Cash | 472 c991-2 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to do so. I have a list of the newly defined shared competences as they are set out under ...
Alex Salmond | 472 c991 (Link to this contribution) I was tempted by the hon. Gentleman's remarks. Is he aware that in the context of Scottish independe...
William Cash | 472 c991 (Link to this contribution) I am always glad to hear from the First Minister. He has a remarkable facility for hitting the nail ...
Mike Gapes | 472 c993 (Link to this contribution) In the last intervention there was reference to the Maastricht treaty; the hon. Gentleman somehow om...
William Cash | 472 c994-6 (Link to this contribution) The only reason why I did not mention Maastricht was modesty, if I may say so. I did not think that ...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c993 (Link to this contribution) I should like to draw my hon. Friend back, I hope not too rudely, to his amendments, and to the poin...
William Cash | 472 c993 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for taking me back to what I said earlier. He is absolutely right. S...
William Cash | 472 c992-3 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. I do not feel that I am exaggerating when I say that my hon. Friend's contributions to debat...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) The Lisbon treaty does not lead to the centralisation of power or the creation of a superstate, as h...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) Order. May we conduct this debate in an orderly manner?
Mike Gapes | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I take your advice, Mrs. Heal. [Interruption.]
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) Order. I hope that we will not call any hon. Members anything but debate the amendment before us.
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I ask all hon. Members to remember the common-sense way of debating. Let us have a bit of taste and ...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) If the amendment is accepted, the European Union could not act collectively and countries with popul...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1001-2 (Link to this contribution) We are debating the Lisbon treaty, yes, but it has already been signed. If the hon. Lady is saying t...
Jo Swinson | 472 c1004 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman anticipates me; I was about to come to marine biological resources, or fish, and ...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1004 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the House will reject the amendment and vote, as it did on the Maastricht treaty, to sup...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1004 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman might very well be able to remember them—I suspect that many others do, to...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1004 (Link to this contribution) May we have some clarification on the position of a variety of representatives of the hon. Lady's pa...
Jo Swinson | 472 c1004 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps surprisingly, I find myself in agreement with the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash), who is j...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1003 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman has misunderstood, so I will repeat myself for his benefit. The ...
Mark Harper | 472 c1003 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee for giving way, despite the injunctio...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree; my hon. Friend is absolutely right. The whole tenor of the remarks made by the hon. Member ...
Rob Marris | 472 c1003 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the intervention by the hon. Member for Forest of Dean (Mr. Harper) p...
Jo Swinson | 472 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution) We have problems with the common fisheries policy, but the reason we cannot support amendment No. 22...
Mike Gapes | 472 c998 (Link to this contribution) I was coming on to the role of democratic institutions. It is important that we recognise that the E...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c998 (Link to this contribution) Is it not the case that the amendments are predicated on the supposed illegitimacy of the European P...
Mike Gapes | 472 c997-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) made a number of interesting remarks at the beginning of his co...
William Cash | 472 c997 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to follow the hon. Gentleman's injunction, because that is exactly what I did. I said...
Iain Duncan Smith | 472 c998 (Link to this contribution) If my near neighbour does not mind my saying so, his are pointless comparisons. The institutions tha...
Mark Francois | 472 c996 (Link to this contribution) I hope my hon. Friend will not deny the House an exposition of his amendment No. 186, which seeks to...
Rob Marris | 472 c997 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman said ““over which we have no control””. The very part that he read from article 3...
William Cash | 472 c997 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way. I have said before that if the hon. Gentleman's constituents had any idea o...
Rob Marris | 472 c997 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
William Cash | 472 c996-7 (Link to this contribution) Article 308 follows a line that goes back to the old article 235. It effectively grants a blank cheq...
Baroness Browning | 472 c1000 (Link to this contribution) What about the legal personality? Through qualified majority voting, we can be bound to internationa...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1000 (Link to this contribution) We also have to deal with what is happening in the Council of Ministers, as my hon. Friend says. Fir...
Baroness Browning | 472 c1001 (Link to this contribution) This is a treaty, and we are debating it.
Mike Gapes | 472 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution) The current situation with regard to international treaties is that the Government signs the treaty,...
Peter Bone | 472 c999 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making another powerful speech in favour of centralisation of the European sup...
Mike Gapes | 472 c998-9 (Link to this contribution) In the United Nations system, there is, of course, no democratic parliamentary body of a global form...
James Clappison | 472 c999-1000 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the point that the hon. Gentleman is expressing, but I do not know how he can take it s...
Mike Gapes | 472 c999 (Link to this contribution) That is the complete opposite of what I am saying. At the moment, power rests with the Commission or...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1000 (Link to this contribution) I would like to add to what my hon. Friend is saying. Directly elected Parliaments, whether we are t...
Mike Gapes | 472 c1000 (Link to this contribution) What it tells us is that last year the German presidency took through a procedure for bringing the d...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1014 (Link to this contribution) I oppose amendment No. 82, as it is certainly clear from many speeches made by Opposition Members th...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1010-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for my hon. Friend's support, although I am doubtful about his querulous fears about w...
Bill Wiggin | 472 c1011-4 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support amendment No. 222. Ministers and bureaucrats in Brussels may well argue that the t...
Andrew Mitchell | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend does not want to talk about Canada, I shall give way to him.
David S Borrow | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) At the beginning of my hon. Friend's contribution, he said that his amendments were ones that people...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) I detoured on to the subject of other fishing grounds.
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1015 (Link to this contribution) Well, they say that the DNA of certain species is very similar to that of human beings, but that doe...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1015 (Link to this contribution) I thank my neighbour from Ribble Valley for that contribution. I will be having lunch with Hans-Gert...
Nigel Evans | 472 c1015 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman accept that Hans-Gert Pöttering told the Council of Europe last year that th...
Peter Bone | 472 c1016 (Link to this contribution) As a chartered accountant, I declare an interest. The suggestion that an accountant would sign off a...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1016-7 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that many Government members and MEPs would say that, in a good many cases, the reason why...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1015 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way again. The hon. Gentleman has only just arrived at this debate, and many of ...
Baroness Hoey | 472 c1015 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend spoke about having more control over the budget. Is there anything in this treaty-cum...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c1016 (Link to this contribution) There is nothing to stop those accounts being signed off properly now. It is just that the will to s...
Kelvin Hopkins | 472 c1018 (Link to this contribution) Is it not unacceptable that a large number of landlocked nations with no interest at all in maritime...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1018-9 (Link to this contribution) The UK Government are happy to have that situation based on case law enshrined in the treaty, and th...
Kelvin Hopkins | 472 c1018 (Link to this contribution) Is it not unacceptable that fish taken out of what were British fishing waters by foreign fleets amo...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1017-8 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to speak to amendment No. 222 in the name of my right hon. and hon. Friends, and to s...
Alex Salmond | 472 c1005 (Link to this contribution) I happily accept the endorsement of the wonderful work of the Scottish fisheries Minister, Richard L...
Jo Swinson | 472 c1005 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman quotes from a European Parliament document issued three years ago, but the ...
Alex Salmond | 472 c1005 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady give way on that?
Jo Swinson | 472 c1005 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman first let me pursue the point further? There would be no change to the...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1006 (Link to this contribution) Oh, is the hon. Lady not in favour of the common fisheries policy?
Jo Swinson | 472 c1006 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman checks the record tomorrow, he will see that I was arguing for genuine reform ...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1005-6 (Link to this contribution) It is delightful to rise after the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) has roused the House to a suffic...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution) That raises the question of the Liberal Democrats' proposals for a referendum. Incidentally, if thos...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1007-8 (Link to this contribution) There is a word called yes and there is a word called no. Which would the hon. Lady use in this cont...
Jo Swinson | 472 c1007 (Link to this contribution) It needs reform. I do not think I can be clearer than that. We do not think that it is a good idea a...
Alex Salmond | 472 c1009 (Link to this contribution) I knew that I was missing something about this place—it was the hon. Gentleman's speeches.
Rob Marris | 472 c1009 (Link to this contribution) You are never here to hear them.
Alex Salmond | 472 c1009 (Link to this contribution) Well, there are things to do north of the border. So many towns in England are clamouring to join us...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution) I think that the occupants of Treasury Bench find it difficult to defend the interests of the Britis...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend presumably wishes to intervene to tell us that fish do not recognise boundaries.
Rob Marris | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) No, I merely wished to say that although my hon. Friend has given examples from around the world, an...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) Order. Perhaps the hon. Gentleman could now return to the subject of his amendment.
Andrew Mitchell | 472 c1010 (Link to this contribution) The Canadian fishing industry is making as much money out of catching shellfish—including crabs and ...
William Cash | 472 c986 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment No. 82, page 1, line 12, after 'excluding', insert—
Baroness Browning | 472 c988 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that when we hear this talk about being closer to citizens and about citiz...
William Cash | 472 c989 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree, and I strongly suggest that viewers of the parliamentary channel write to the BB...
David Drew | 472 c989 (Link to this contribution) May I offer the hon. Gentleman a practical example of how limited our national veto has become? He m...
William Cash | 472 c989 (Link to this contribution) It certainly is. In fact, the breadth and depth of Europe's intrusion into the process of decision m...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 472 c986 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following amendments: No. 83, page 1, line 12, after...
William Cash | 472 c987-8 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to have the opportunity to start the debate. It has already been covered to some extent by...
William Cash | 472 c988 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says that they can all go to bed; if they wish to do so, let them. It would not ...
William Cash | 472 c989 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly give way to the hon. Gentleman, as he was at one time a member of the European Scr...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c989 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Does he agree that democratic legitimacy is impr...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c989 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
William Cash | 472 c991 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Stroud (Mr. Drew) says, ““Just say no!”” However, if I were to follow Baroness T...
William Cash | 472 c990-1 (Link to this contribution) The problem is that it is all part of the process of greater integration, with more centralisation a...
William Cash | 472 c990 (Link to this contribution) I will give way once more, as the hon. Gentleman is the only Labour Member who seems to be taking an...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c990 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way a second time. He is talking about co-decisions, but the E...
William Cash | 472 c989-90 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman is merely repeating the theory of subsidiarity. I attended a sch...
Mark Hendrick | 472 c990 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?
Ed Davey | 472 c923-5 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. ... Mr. Deputy Speaker, I am grateful for your granting me...
Alex Salmond | 472 c1008 (Link to this contribution) The quote the experienced hon. Gentleman is searching for comes from the civil service. I can paraph...
William Cash | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mrs. Heal. Could the word ““Europhobe”” be included in the litany of terms that...
Angus Robertson | 472 c1018 (Link to this contribution) Nations such as Slovakia, Austria, Hungary, the Czech Republic and others may have had intermittent ...
Speaker | 472 c923 (Link to this contribution) Point of order—Mr. Ed Davey.
Mike Gapes | 472 c1002 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the hon. Member for Stone is so sensitive to the language that I use. I could have c...
Austin Mitchell | 472 c1008-9 (Link to this contribution) Expendable: that is what the fishing industry was in 1970. The shameful policy of equal access to a ...
James Clappison | 472 c992 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful analysis of how the European Union incrementally seeks more and ...
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